Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
While interesting, it neither supports or rebuts Jerry's statement that more Democrats than Republicans commit voter fraud. I suspect I'll be waiting a while for proof of that allegation...like forever. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Well there have been several cases

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"That seems like anecdotal, at best. I am sure you have sources for those 'statistics'?" As stated before, statistics don't tell the whole story. You can't just go by convictions. You have to go by convictions, plea bargains, people who resign from their postions, firings, and so on. Then you

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
Jerry - still anecdotal, at best. Also, you are right, convictions won;t tell the whole story, but I think it is a bit naive to think (and eve worse to imply) that examples such as these (no convictions) would be limited to cases where the perpetrator was a Democrat. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:05

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Well there have been several cases of Republican inspired voter fraud, > such as the Republican party operative caught discarding voter > registration forms in Virginia, any bets that since you have to select > a party on registration, on

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Go back and read what I wrote, I said :" > > Okay. Here it is: > > "I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when > it's too close > right now. Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney > does lose - vote

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Convictions don't always tell the story. I know of a case of voter fraud by two democrats who plea bargained out of the conviction. " Actually, I know of another case where the elected official was removed for office, agreed to pay a huge fine in exchange for no charges. He is running again an

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Larry C. Lyons
We did a count today, from 9am to 6pm there was about a call every 46 minutest to one an hour. Of that there was one democratic party call, in person. The rest were republican oriented robocalls. And most were very brazen in their lies. Quite insulting. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Scott Stroz

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Well there have been several cases of Republican inspired voter fraud, such as the Republican party operative caught discarding voter registration forms in Virginia, any bets that since you have to select a party on registration, on how many of those listed a democratic party affiliation? http://w

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Statistics that show how many Democrats have been convicted of voter fraud versus how many Republicans. You know, facts that would back up your assertions." Convictions don't always tell the story. I know of a case of voter fraud by two democrats who plea bargained out of the conviction. "Ac

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
More like two puppets whose strings are being pulled by the same masters. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Maybe true if you consider Democrats and Republicans two arms of the same > party. > ~| Order t

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
Statistics that show how many Democrats have been convicted of voter fraud versus how many Republicans. You know, facts that would back up your assertions. Accusations of voter fraud are never acceptable unless they are backed up by legal action. Otherwise they are simply someone running off at

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Illuminati for the win in every election..." Illuminati FTW. I love it. Maybe true if you consider Democrats and Republicans two arms of the same party. J - Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I suppose you have statistics regarding those who have been convicted of voter fraud that back this up? Not accused, because anyone can do the accusing, as you are going here, but convicted. Because otherwise, that whole innocent until PROVEN guilty thing kicks in." What kind of statistics? Wh

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Maureen wrote: > I guess we can look forward to > four more years of whining. Bottom line is that they have no one to blame > but themselves if they lose. > the country will do exactly what it was doing 4 years ago and 4 years from now... Illuminati for the win

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
I suppose you have statistics regarding those who have been convicted of voter fraud that back this up? Not accused, because anyone can do the accusing, as you are going here, but convicted. Because otherwise, that whole innocent until PROVEN guilty thing kicks in. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:15 P

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Go back and read what I wrote, I said :" Okay. Here it is: "I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when it's too close right now. Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney does lose - voter fraud" I didn't address this either: "Also love how you naturall

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
You don't have to admit you have nothing. I get it. We're done. Unless of course you think of something. . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Maureen wrote: > > The biggest reason I am not voting for Romney is because too many of his > supporters are like you, with nothing better to do than insul

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
The biggest reason I am not voting for Romney is because too many of his supporters are like you, with nothing better to do than insult people and spread lies. Go ahead and call me a hater now. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Sam wrote: > > Oh I understand perfectly. You have nothing. >

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
Oh I understand perfectly. You have nothing. . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I answered your question. That you lack the ability to comprehend my > answer is on you. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Antholog

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
I answered your question. That you lack the ability to comprehend my answer is on you. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Sam wrote: > > Avoid answering questions much? > > . > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > > All of my distaste for both of these candidates comes directly

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
Murdock has already stated that if Chris Christie doesn't re-endorse Romney, they are going to blame Romney's loss on him. Looks like they are getting their excuses and scapegoats lined up. Kinda strange for a bunch that is insisting their guy is gonna win. I guess we can look forward to four m

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
Avoid answering questions much? . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Maureen wrote: > > All of my distaste for both of these candidates comes directly from their > own words and actions. > > And I don't read Mother Jones. Stereotype much? > ~~~

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
All of my distaste for both of these candidates comes directly from their own words and actions. And I don't read Mother Jones. Stereotype much? On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Sam wrote: > > What on earth did Romney say or do to get you to think that? > Is it based on anything real or just s

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
Go back and read what I wrote, I said : " Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney does lose - voter fraud" On Nov 4, 2012 6:38 PM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote: > > "I did not say you would blame voter fraud if Gary Johnson lost, I said you > will blame voter fraud if Gov. Romney loses.

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
What on earth did Romney say or do to get you to think that? Is it based on anything real or just spin from MotherJones? . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Yep. We'll see. Although from what I've seen of both sides in this > election, love of country is way down their list o

Re: Fox tells a real whopper

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Romney's plan would've been better but the union needed to get paid back for the votes." It is absolutely amazing that people don't understand or ignore how the unions got paid on this deal. Cronyism at it's best. J - I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. — I

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
Yep. We'll see. Although from what I've seen of both sides in this election, love of country is way down their list of things that matter. It's all about hate, fear, ridicule, lies and misinformation. Romney's rhetoric aside, I see nothing in this election that speaks to love of country. The d

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Bruce Sorge
Really? Putting Romney and Libya in the same paragraph? Apples and oranges. Libya is something that deserves retaliation for. Four American's were allowed to die for no reason other than they were American's and were pretty much abandoned. But I guess we won't know the entire story until AFTER

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I did not say you would blame voter fraud if Gary Johnson lost, I said you will blame voter fraud if Gov. Romney loses." You said if my guy lost. Romney is not my guy. Is he better than Obama? Certainly. That's not exactly hard to accomplish though. Pick a name from any phone book and there

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"In other words, voting against Romney is a more effective tactic than booing him." Really? The audience was already going to vote for Obama. J - Human freedom is the first wish of our heart, freedom is the first blessing of our nature, yet when people shirk individual responsibility and exp

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
Same question again: Revenge for what? Revenge is in response for being wronged. What was done that they should retaliate? How were they harmed by Romney? . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Maureen wrote: > > So why not post the entire quote. He interrupted an audience that was > booing Mitt R

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
As someone else pointed out, there is an old and frequently used quote "the best revenge is living well". What I took away from Obama's statement is that if you dislike Romney voting against him is more effective than booing him. I was flabbergasted that the spin doctors are trying to use that s

Re: Oldest Trees.

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
Some of the oldest trees live in Big Basin Redwood Park, and are my neighbors. The Land Trust here recently bought 8500 acres of old growth redwoods for preservation. The acreage starts on the hill just above my house, and runs from the ocean all the way to the ridge line. So beautiful, and won

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Bruce Sorge
Actually Fox played the entire thing. I was just curious about the most important part, revenge. Losers seek revenge, not winners. Romney's counter was not to vote for revenge, but for love of country. I like that better. Sounds more winner-like to me. Perhaps barry could have chosen better w

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Maureen
So why not post the entire quote. He interrupted an audience that was booing Mitt Romney by saying: “No, no, no — don’t boo, vote. Vote. Voting is the best revenge.” In other words, voting against Romney is a more effective tactic than booing him. The Republicans must be really desperate if the

Re: Oldest Trees.

2012-11-04 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I see a cabal of evil beavers thanking Wired for providing a list of the best aged wood for them to eat. I think I've been watching too much Eddie Izzard recently. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > _This_ is what the internet should be used for. > > Fascinating. > >

Re: two leftwing papers endorse Romney

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
Add the liberal newspaper: Wisconsin State Journal, based in Madison and with the second largest circulation in the state. http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/opinion/editorial/our-pick-mitt-romney/article_902e45bc-25cc-11e2-a89f-001a4bcf887a.html Not enough hope and too little change. That is P

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
I did not say you would blame voter fraud if Gary Johnson lost, I said you will blame voter fraud if Gov. Romney loses. On Nov 4, 2012 3:54 PM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote: > > "I think you know what I meant, but, in the interest if clarity:" > > I thought I knew what you meant. It was what you wrote

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I think you know what I meant, but, in the interest if clarity:" I thought I knew what you meant. It was what you wrote and I responded to. It said that I was laying the groundwork for accusations of fraud if my candidate of choice lost. If Gary Johnson loses, I will not blame his loss on vot

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
Actually, Redskins losing big at home late in the game. That bodes well for Gov. Romney. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskins_Rule On Nov 4, 2012 3:27 PM, "Sam" wrote: > > Messing with you since you seem to be implying Obama's going to win > and if he has to cheat to get there, then the peopl

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
I have, luckily, not gotten a single robo-call from any candidate for any office regardless of party affiliation. On Nov 4, 2012 3:29 PM, "Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions" < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Sam wrote: > > > Messing with you since

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
I think you know what I meant, but, in the interest if clarity: I just love people who are certain anyone is going to win when it's so close. Better? On Nov 4, 2012 3:35 PM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote: > > "I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when > it's too close > right no

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when it's too close right now. Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney does lose - voter fraud" I know I have told you this before: Romney is not my guy. I voted for Gary Johnson. J - Ninety percent of politicians

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
What have I said that implies I think Pres. Obama will win? I have made no such claims, I think it's way too close for either side to make such claims. As for the threats if violence? Anyone making those threats are assholes who really should not be listened to. Are such threats illegal? Would lo

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
I still can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to vote for her. . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Sam wrote: > >> Messing with you since you seem to be implying Obama's going to win >> and if he has to cheat

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
Ah, you did. My poor speed reading skills changed "even going so far as to endorse him" to "almost..." . On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > I specifically mentioned that above. > > I figured we'd be on the same page on this. ~~

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Sam wrote: > Messing with you since you seem to be implying Obama's going to win > and if he has to cheat to get there, then the people complaining can > go suck it. > It's just as bad on republican side with robo calls going out to people in Elizabeth Warren's

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
Messing with you since you seem to be implying Obama's going to win and if he has to cheat to get there, then the people complaining can go suck it. What's your thought on the threats of riots or that ass on hbo that says blacks are going to get you if you vote for Romney. Sad state of affairs we

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when it's too close right now. Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney does lose - voter fraud Also love how you naturally assume voter fraud is being perpetuated by Democrats - similarly to how some of our more liberal

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Revenge for what?" It's just like the question: What are Obama's accomplishments? It can't be answered. J - The inevitable consequence of socialist planning create a state of affairs in which, if the policy is to be pursued, totalitarian forces will get the upper hand. - F. A. Hayek ~

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Laying the conspiracy ground work in case Gov. Romney loses?" Election fraud is the only way it'll happen. Six states so far reporting the vote swapping: NC, KS, CO, NV, OH, and MS. Wanna guess which way the votes always seem to switch? Other incidents have happened as well. NC has 758 peopl

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
Why would you think that? I am not a rabid fan if Pres. Obama, I just happen to think he is the best of the bad choices - just like every other presidential election since I have been voting. I think I am one of the few Americans who thinks, regardless of who wins, we are NOT doomed. On Nov 4, 2

Oldest Trees.

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
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New Yorker cover is powerful and beautiful

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
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Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
So Scott, u gonna start a riot if Bama loses? . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Laying the conspiracy ground work in case Gov. Romney loses? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazo

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > > > Christie is pandering for money. It was a "just in case" move just in > case enough voting machine switch Romney votes for Obama to win. > > Laying the conspiracy ground work in case Gov. Romney loses? -- Scott Stroz ---

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its a rif on the best revenge is doing well. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > Back to my original question. Revenge for what? > > Sent from my iPhone 4S. > > On Nov 4, 2012, at 11:16 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > >> >> Nice bit of distortion Bruce. Why not look at what wa

two leftwing papers endorse Romney

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/editorial-elect-mitt-romney-president-of-the-united-states-1.4182689 http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/choice-america-future-mitt-romney-article-1.1196299 Shocking . ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusio

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Bruce Sorge
Back to my original question. Revenge for what? Sent from my iPhone 4S. On Nov 4, 2012, at 11:16 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > Nice bit of distortion Bruce. Why not look at what was really said > instead of parrotting the republican talking points. Look at actually > was said, Obama respo

Re: Interesting comment on Romney's Big Bird Comment

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
And I bet they all voted for Obama. Twice. . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > The Million Puppet March in support of public broadcasting. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
Where's the distortion you mention? Sounds exactly like what Bruce said. Why does Obama and his supporters want revenge? What did Romney do to them? . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Nice bit of distortion Bruce. Why not look at what was really said > instead of parr

Re: Fox tells a real whopper

2012-11-04 Thread Sam
I don't get it. He didn't say Obama used Romney's plan, he said they both suggested bankruptcy and they did. Romney's plan would've been better but the union needed to get paid back for the votes. . On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Whopper From Fox's Doocy: "As I Remem

Interesting comment on Romney's Big Bird Comment

2012-11-04 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The Million Puppet March in support of public broadcasting. http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/million-puppet-march-promotes-public-broadcasting/2012/11/03/174c99d4-25f2-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_gallery.html ~| Order th

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Nice bit of distortion Bruce. Why not look at what was really said instead of parrotting the republican talking points. Look at actually was said, Obama responded to a crowd booing at the mention of Romney's name by saying "No, no, no, Don't boo. Vote. Voting is the best revenge." http://thehill.c

Re: Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"So Obama is telling his drones to vote for revenge. His words were 'voting is the best revenge'. Revenge for what?" The man has always been about rhetoric. No substance. That's why his whole campaign has been to attack Romney instead of running on his accomplishments. Revenge does fit rather

Vote for revenge

2012-11-04 Thread Bruce Sorge
So Obama is telling his drones to vote for revenge. His words were "voting is the best revenge". Revenge for what? Sent from my iPhone 4S. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-An

Fox tells a real whopper

2012-11-04 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Whopper From Fox's Doocy: "As I Remember," Romney's Plan Saved The Auto Industry http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/11/02/whopper-from-foxs-doocy-as-i-remember-romneys-p/191084 -- Larry C. Lyons web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons

Re: Barack's policies improving employment

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"BTW 7.9 is a horrible number." Damn it Sam. I have to correct you every time. 7.9% is perfectly acceptable if the President has a "D" beside his name. 5.4% is horrible if the President has a "R" beside his name. J - Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder res

Re: Super Storm Sandy

2012-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Where are they not doing their job?" The question is: Where are they doing their job? The answer: no where. Running out of water? Just like the White House, it's amateur hour. Then you have the idiot Bloomberg who won't let the National Guard in. Elections have consequences. New Yorkers,