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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:58 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents
>
> Hehe.
>
> On 9/12/05, Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL P
ican gentleman)
> The Construction Worker
>
> Who else??
>
> I don't remember any developers
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:58 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco
onday, September 12, 2005 4:58 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents
Hehe.
On 9/12/05, Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hillary wants the Village People raising our children?
>
>
> --
> > I don't
Hehe.
On 9/12/05, Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hillary wants the Village People raising our children?
>
>
> --
> > I don't care what Hillary Clinton says. I've seen the village and I
> don't
> > want it raising my child.
> >
>
>
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Hillary wants the Village People raising our children?
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Amen to that. Though who will matter come election time. But there is time
enough for that.
Dana
Again, it's not about blame, it's about responsibility.
>
> And I am much more concerned about why than about who.
--
> I don't care what Hillary Clinton says. I've seen the village and I don't
On 9/9/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I do know the rescue was stopped until the law enforcement made the
> area safe. Question is where were the troops at that time? I'm not
> defending Bush because I don't have enough info yet. But you are
> attacking him without knowing all the facts
I was living just north of the area in BC at the time and remember
very well how bad the local response was to Mt. St Helens. It seems to
me he's about the last person who should criticize the response by the
mayor of New Orleans and Gov. Blanco.
larry
On 9/11/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Katrina would strike New Orleans by
August 29. According to the most recent
<
http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/tables/SUB-EST2004-01.csv
>census
figures, New Orleans' population in July 2004 was 462,269.
S.S.M.
On 9/7/05, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PR
Now-now is that polite?
Federal troops can respond and did until law enforcement was needed.
What happened next we need to find out. Where the troops held back
because of the shootings? Meaning the National Guard needed to secure
the area before the rest of the troops could help with rescue or were
No, he said they received their requests from the Govenor THROUGH FEMA. Fema
is a federal organization. If you don't get that, then talking to you
further is pointless
On 9/9/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That doesn't put the Fed in charge. He said they answered to the
> Governor. Once
Actually ;) I'm the only one we *know* he is using a killfile on ;) Or was.
I think he answered me a couple of times -- he may have given up.
Dana
On 9/9/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I wonder if he's talking about me or Gruss?
>
> On 9/9/05, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> > One approac
I wonder if he's talking about me or Gruss?
On 9/9/05, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> One approach may be to use killfiles. While they are not perfect, it
> does help relieve that sort of stress that comes from really wanting
> to kick the crap out of that complete idiot who is a completely
> clueless
That doesn't put the Fed in charge. He said they answered to the
Governor. Once the shooting started the rules changed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/national/nationalspecial/09military.html?ei=5090&en=aa642b8c89c27c01&ex=1283918400&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1126238795-dGCl9
> Dana wrote:
> are you an apologist, Matt? For what it is worth, I did not read that as
> meaning you, but Fox News, Republican politicians, etc. I'd like to add that
> I hope you don't go.
Yeah, that's what I meant, and I'm not trying to attack or hurt
anybody's feelings so if I did I apologize.
gt;
> > "Further, his apologists are also unfit be they Democrat, Green, Black,
> or
> > Blue."
> >
> > Matthew Small
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, Se
that's where it would break down. I'd be afraid to use any adjectives and a
lot of nouns ;)
I think everyone here is capable of saying when they are offended by
something. I know I am...
So while I'd agree, I think we have to agree on what an attack is
> and/or what's personal.
>
~~~
ue."
>
> Matthew Small
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:49 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents
>
> > Larry wrote:
>
No I did not, you said:
"Further, his apologists are also unfit be they Democrat, Green, Black, or
Blue."
Matthew Small
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:49 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco
> Larry wrote:
> It may also bring the civility of this list back to where it was before.
>
I totally agree, however Matt pinged because I called politicians
unfit to lead the country - that's not an attack, it's an opinion, and
it didn't reference anyone on this list.
So while I'd agree, I thin
I have no problem with forceful arguments, however, name calling isn't
the way to win an discussion. If anything, it further polarizes
people's opinions and creates far more inflexibility.
One approach may be to use killfiles. While they are not perfect, it
does help relieve that sort of stress th
> Matthew wrote:
> Again we're back to the point that everyone who disagrees with you is
> "unfit", "stupid", and "deluded".
>
Chill out dude. It's my opinion that any politician that makes
excuses for failure is unfit for leadership. That's not attacking,
that's my opinion. Maybe you disagree
Go f*ck youself, Larry.
Sorry, Dick Cheney asked me to send this to you :)
--- On Friday, September 09, 2005 10:26 AM, Larry C. Lyons scribed: ---
>
> Perhaps in order to preserve this list it may be time to
> institute a No personal attacks rule.
>
> larry
>
~~
I'm feeling the same lately.
On 9/9/05, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I'm going to figure out where Ben Braver went and go there myself.
>
>
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> Matt Small
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:02 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents
>
>
t: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents
> Maureen wrote:
> The emergency declaration requested by governor and
> granted by Bush put FEMA in charge.
And even if that weren't true (which it is), th
> Maureen wrote:
> The emergency declaration requested by governor and
> granted by Bush put FEMA in charge.
And even if that weren't true (which it is), the President isn't
supposed to sit by while people die because the Gov can't make a
decision.
He is responsible because he's been given the po
You are 100% wrong. The emergency declaration requested by governor and
granted by Bush put FEMA in charge. General Honore has stated several times
that the request came to him from the Governor through FEMA as early as
Friday, August 26.
>From the Department of Defence web site:
"Q General, J
That isn't true. The governor must invite the Feds in first. All the state of
emergency does is allow the state to ask the Feds for help, it doesn't put the
Feds in charge.
There is a rumor out now that Bush's advisors considered invoking the
Insurrection Act in order to take over the relief ef
Nothing more need be said ;P
On 9/8/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK you got me, I can't always tell what you're thinking. Can we get a
> complete sentence?
>
> On 9/8/05, Dana wrote:
> > CNS news.
> >
>
>
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OK you got me, I can't always tell what you're thinking. Can we get a
complete sentence?
On 9/8/05, Dana wrote:
> CNS news.
>
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On 9/8/05, Maureen wrote:
> Yeah, that's a real sharp article there. Blame a mayor and a govenor serving
> in 2005 for actions that took place years before they were in office, and
The article didn't mention the Mayor or Governor. It talks about the
Orleans Levee Board wasting the money.
> totall
CNS news.
On 9/8/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But the money wasn't being used.
>
> http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200509%5CNAT20050907a.html
>
> On 9/8/05, Vivec wrote:
> > Well, quite obviously the quote referred to a broad lack of funding
> > a
Yeah, that's a real sharp article there. Blame a mayor and a govenor serving
in 2005 for actions that took place years before they were in office, and
totally ignore the that fact that the state of emergency that was declared
LAST WEEK gave control to the FEDS, and that the levees that were fina
But the money wasn't being used.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200509%5CNAT20050907a.html
On 9/8/05, Vivec wrote:
> Well, quite obviously the quote referred to a broad lack of funding
> and resources due to the fact that the money for tax cuts needs to
> com
Well, quite obviously the quote referred to a broad lack of funding
and resources due to the fact that the money for tax cuts needs to
come from somewhere.
So whether the levee was mentioned specifically or not, it does seem
to be a victim of lack of funding, does it not?
On 9/8/05, Sam <[EMAIL P
I think someone mentioned here that the levee that broke was brand new.
And then there's this:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200509%5CNAT20050907a.html
On 9/8/05, Dana wrote:
> I don't remember the quote. But hey, looks like he was right.
> Dana
~
I don't remember the quote. But hey, looks like he was right.
Dana
On 9/8/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ya think he's talking about funding for the levee?
>
> On 9/8/05, Dana wrote:
> > A good laugh?
>
>
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Ya think he's talking about funding for the levee?
On 9/8/05, Dana wrote:
> A good laugh?
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On 9/8/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What's the point?
>
> On 9/8/05, Vivec wrote:
> > Does anyone remember when Kerry said that Bush could not continue to
> > cut taxes and not cut corners, and that his policies were endangering
> > the lives of Americans?
> >
> >
>
>
What's the point?
On 9/8/05, Vivec wrote:
> Does anyone remember when Kerry said that Bush could not continue to
> cut taxes and not cut corners, and that his policies were endangering
> the lives of Americans?
>
>
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> Gel wrote:
> Does anyone remember when Kerry said that Bush could not continue to
> cut taxes and not cut corners, and that his policies were endangering
> the lives of Americans?
>
Or when Cheney said he was part of the only ticket that could protect americans?
~~~
They are allowed to defend themselves using all necessary force. They cannot
act offensively without specific orders to do so. - per General Honore in
his press conference on Friday
On 9/8/05, SStewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> They are allowed to shoot back if the order is given to return
>>The levees broke in areas that were at 100% repair. All upgrades on
>>those sections were completed. No amount of money would have improved
>>those areas.
>>
>>The problem was that the levees were built to withstand a level 3
>>hurricane. Had the entire levee been completely funded and 100
Does anyone remember when Kerry said that Bush could not continue to
cut taxes and not cut corners, and that his policies were endangering
the lives of Americans?
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On 9/8/05, SStewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Iraq is an open warzone, there are much tighter restrictions in place for
> operations within the US...
>
> sas
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really? I am no soldier but I think they are allowed to shoot if shot at.
That's what they are doing nowcan any of you ex-military please clarify
this?
thanks
Dana
On 9/7/05, Sam <[
Oh. So... what are they doing in Iraq?
On 9/7/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Air force is Federal. They had no authority to enter until the area was
> secure.
>
> On 9/7/05, Dana wrote:
> > oh and... air force personnel in mississipi decline to participate in
> flood
> > relief? Seems
federal paperwork. That seems to be the theme in this fiasco. I don't know
about other states either, I am merely pointing out the inconsistencies with
respect to New Mexico because they are easier for me to find.
On 9/7/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I may need to re-read that. What I
really? I am no soldier but I think they are allowed to shoot if shot at.
That's what they are doing nowcan any of you ex-military please clarify
this?
thanks
Dana
On 9/7/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's the law. If someone took a shot at a soldier he's not allowed to
> shoot
I may need to re-read that. What I got form it was she asked NM and
they got delayed because of paperwork. But she didn't ask any other
states until Wednesday.
On 9/7/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the plot thickens... the paperwork did not arrive from DC until Thursday
> http://news.y
Air force is Federal. They had no authority to enter until the area was secure.
On 9/7/05, Dana wrote:
> oh and... air force personnel in mississipi decline to participate in flood
> relief? Seems there are eyewitnesses...
>
> http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/special_packages/hurricane
Most of the NO law enforcement disappeared and no National Guard.
Federal troops can't or shouldn't? enter an area with gunfire unless
they can shoot back.
So you're saying she chose politics over saving lives? Nice.
On 9/7/05, Maureen wrote:
> 1. Give complete control of law enforcement to the f
It's the law. If someone took a shot at a soldier he's not allowed to
shoot back. It gets real ugly from there.
On 9/7/05, Dana wrote:
> well, on re-re-reading, it seems the option was to let the feds command the
> National Guard. Is this usual in such a disaster? Why did the president even
> care
>My understanding is that funding had nothing to so with the problems.
>
>The levees broke in areas that were at 100% repair. All upgrades on
>those sections were completed. No amount of money would have improved
>those areas.
>
>The problem was that the levees were built to withstand a lev
the plot thickens... the paperwork did not arrive from DC until Thursday
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_national_guard
On 9/7/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I dunno... on Aug 29 she seems to have been asking the New Mexico National
> Guard for help...
>
the albuquerque journal link is now in the archives and requires a
subscription, but the google search link tells the tale...
http://news.google.com/news?q=acoma%20new%20orleans&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn
On 9/7/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> the people from Acoma pueblo were in northern
the people from Acoma pueblo were in northern New Orleans before the feds
were. I posted a link to that several days ago. By the way, look what I just
found.
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp
I'll quote the pertinent part:
*Preparing America*
In the event of a terrorist attack, na
She didn't even get her own assets mobilized and in action (NG, state
police, first responders from elsewhere in the state).
As for the outside assets, once they hit the ground, were they used
and used effectively? Or did they sit outside NO in staging areas with
absolutely no direction or coordina
oh and... air force personnel in mississipi decline to participate in flood
relief? Seems there are eyewitnesses...
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/special_packages/hurricane_katrina/12526270.htm
On 9/7/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I dunno... on Aug 29 she seems to ha
I dunno... on Aug 29 she seems to have been asking the New Mexico National
Guard for help...
http://www.governor.state.nm.us/press.php?id=120
Notice the date and the fact that Richardson says they left "last night."
Dana
On 9/7/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Because the go
really? I am hearing they were turned back. By Homeland Security. What are
you looking at?
On 9/7/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Because the governor was SUPPOSED to coordinate not only the LA
> National Guard, but the NG units from other states, as well as
> coordinate the ou
Because the governor was SUPPOSED to coordinate not only the LA
National Guard, but the NG units from other states, as well as
coordinate the out of state police and rescue units and the instate
police and rescue units.
She didn't coordinate anything. Her entire effort was a shambles.
There were
You know, the thing that really sticks with me is the State Department
official who says that the Swedish telephone system was not yet accepted
because the government did not want to accept aid and then not use it.
Really? This is the priority? Not wasting goods? He's probably in his
current po
Maureen wrote:
> 1. Give complete control of law enforcement to the feds.
Shouldn't this actually be a UN responsibility...?
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On 9/7/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ah, I knew there was a reason why everyone was running around saying she
> was
> responsible for everything. Still reading.
> Dana
>
>
~~~
ah, I knew there was a reason why everyone was running around saying she was
responsible for everything. Still reading.
Dana
On 9/7/05, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 1. Give complete control of law enforcement to the feds. 2. Retain control
> of law enforcement and use federal tr
1. Give complete control of law enforcement to the feds. 2. Retain control
of law enforcement and use federal troops for support only. She chose the
later, and then hired Clinton's former FEMA director to manage the crisis
for Louisiana. That's why Shrubco is so pissed.
On 9/7/05, Dana <[EMAIL
well, on re-re-reading, it seems the option was to let the feds command the
National Guard. Is this usual in such a disaster? Why did the president even
care who was commanding them? I find this confusing, actually. The president
has his own troops...
On 9/7/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It could have been, give me the power or I take it. But that's just a
wild guess.
On 9/7/05, Dana wrote:
> I heard that yesterday, but what were the two options? Sorta makes a
> difference. If it was like, I am running this vs you get no help, I might
> have trouble deciding too. The feds are not
I heard that yesterday, but what were the two options? Sorta makes a
difference. If it was like, I am running this vs you get no help, I might
have trouble deciding too. The feds are not doing real well right now.
On 9/7/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mayor slams Blanco for stalling
>
Mayor slams Blanco for stalling
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050907-121729-5097r.htm
He called me in that office," Mr. Nagin said. "And he said, 'Mr.
Mayor, I offered two options to the governor.' I was ready to move.
The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision."
~~~
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Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents
> Ken wrote:
> Prior to the storm hitting I blame the local government. True they
did
> order a mandatory evacuation but what did they do to help those
without
> the ability to evacuate?
I more or less a
> Ken wrote:
> Prior to the storm hitting I blame the local government. True they did
> order a mandatory evacuation but what did they do to help those without
> the ability to evacuate?
I more or less agree with you, however I'm still not convinced that
the Mayor and Gov worked with FEMA, came u
good analogy.
You hire a plumber to help design and plumb your new house. 3 days
> after you move in sewage everywhere. The plumber says it's your fault
> for not seeing the holes in his plan. Well ... sort of, but you hired
> him as the professional.
>
> --
> ...as scenes of horror that seeme
I have to say, I don't know why nursing home residents were not gotten out.
They were clearly unable to do this on their own. The buses... good
question. I also think that there should have been a stockpile of food and
water somewhere. Surely there is somewhere in the state of Lousianan that is
wrote:
>
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>
> Blame Amid the Tragedy
> Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.
>
> BY BOB WILLIAMS
>
>
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The Insurrection Act overrides the Posse Comitatus Act allowing him to
use federal troops or federalize National Guard troops to enforce the
law.
On 9/7/05, Robert Munn wrote:
> He doesn't have the authority. the guard is under the control of the govs
~
He doesn't have the authority. the guard is under the control of the govs.
>The States. I think he should have federalized the National Guard
>instead of waiting but I don't understand all the repercussions of
>such an action.
>I get the impression it's like declaring war on a State. Maybe they
>s
The States. I think he should have federalized the National Guard
instead of waiting but I don't understand all the repercussions of
such an action.
I get the impression it's like declaring war on a State. Maybe they
should have at least sent an advisor to tell her to call in other
States National
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Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents
I don't have such a tough assessment in general. Clearly more could have
been done years ago to shore up the levees. I blame the convoluted mess
that Congress calls the budgeting process for the failure of
I don't have such a tough assessment in general. Clearly more could have been
done years ago to shore up the levees. I blame the convoluted mess that
Congress calls the budgeting process for the failure of that project to get
funded. We all know the old saying, "an ounce of prevention is worth o
I don't think FEMA people carry weapons but I know they are not
allowed to carry out enforcement.
A big screw up was setting up checkpoints all over the city that were
under water once the levees broke. That probably caused the most
initial chaos.
On 9/7/05, Ken Ketsdever wrote:
> Post storm and
> Sam wrote:
> There were definitely mistakes made on the Federal level also I agree.
> But the blame seems to go all around not just on the President.
>
So why does the President have executive/emergency powers? Who do you
think should have ultimate responsibility for the safety and security
of
> Brian wrote:
> You think the primary failure was Bush and the Federali'sok, fine. This
> guy, who's been in a natural disaster situation before, feels the primary
> failure was at the local level.
This term "primary failure" makes it interesting. If we're talking
lines of defense against
I'm not sure Bush did all he could, nor do I believe he came across
presidential or as a strong leader (but hey what else is new). However,
I find it hard to put him at the center of the blame.
Pre-storm and levee break the blame falls squarely on the local and
state government. They failed to e
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Especially if Bush heads the "fact finding" commission.
When this im
+1 on all points.
I think you summed it all up perfectly Ken.
> Prior to the storm hitting I blame the local government. True they did
> order a mandatory evacuation but what did they do to help those without
> the ability to evacuate? Where were the supplies, support and security
> for those
I agree!
But, even in light of the fact that it's not the president who personally
directs most of the relief effort it is, I believe, important for him to be
available immediately after a disaster and hold a press conference to assure
people that everything possible will be done and then to ki
Coincidentally, I was just reading this article on Media Matters over lunch:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509060011
That speaks to the "pleaded with" bit. It sounds like a canard, and MM
seems to have their ducks in a row on this point. Bush "pleading" for
anything seems a bit out of char
Especially if Bush heads the "fact finding" commission.
When this immediate nightmare is over, a truly non-biased group needs to be
assembled to find out what went wrong, who was responsible for it, and how
to keep it from happening again.
Just like the 9/11 report, I bet they'll find there is
Prior to the storm hitting I blame the local government. True they did
order a mandatory evacuation but what did they do to help those without
the ability to evacuate? Where were the supplies, support and security
for those they told to go to the Convention Center and Super Dome? Why
did they no
04:29 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents
Importance: Low
And that's fine..but do you approach well-timed New York Times
editorials with the same level of cynicism? Honestly?
>I just find the timing and the paper it was publish
I don't really want to defend the President here because there isn't
enough info yet, but he did call and pleaded with them to order an
evacuation and he spend days trying to get the Gov to give the Feds
control.
There were definitely mistakes made on the Federal level also I agree.
But the blame s
YOU play a game...I deal in facts and their logical interpretations.
If the two happen to meet on occasion, be assured it's purely coincidental
:)
> Finally learning how to play the game :)
>
> On 9/7/05, G wrote:
>> Wait a second.why are you guys so quick to dismiss this guy and his
>>
And that's fine..but do you approach well-timed New York Times
editorials with the same level of cynicism? Honestly?
>I just find the timing and the paper it was published in suspect... and it
>wouldn't be the first time that someone was per$uaded to offer their
>opinion.
>
> Scott A. Stewa
Finally learning how to play the game :)
On 9/7/05, G wrote:
> Wait a second.why are you guys so quick to dismiss this guy and his
> opinion???
>
> "As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most
> impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980"
>
> Um..
>
> Because this isn't a question of opinion, it's question of leadership.
> Either we all agree that the federal gov't's first job is to protect
> its citizens or we don't. If we do, then gov't failed. If we don't
> then what is gov't's first job? Why do have FEMA, DHS, or a military?
The firs
, 2005 04:18 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents
Importance: Low
Um, who cares where it appears. It is clearly marked as an "opinion" piece.
After you see it's an opinion piece, you next check out who the author is.
As soon as
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