I hear ya, three fingers pointing back!
Yes, tabling for now too, sall good.
Thanks for the discussion!
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Me I think what matters is knowing that someone gives a damn. Not
necessarily whether mommy is home baking cookies. I think you make
several good points but... well, this is another post I should not be
trying to answer while at work, bottom line. More later. My overall
point though is that while I
This /was/ funny, when J posted it.
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Not that we're all not full of double standardization.
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On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> On Sat,
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Dana wrote:
> They may well affect my perception of the situation. I suspect that
> what youare saying also stems from some family observation about
> absent parents. But it matters whether the child is abandoned or
> simply not always in one single person's care. I
Obama wrote in his book he was headed towards junkie status in high
school. I never hear that mentioned. I hear Larry call Bush nasty
things because of alleged cocaine use but Obama gets a pass from him.
The only so called slander against Obama is who was his preacher and
who are his friends. Legi
I could be wrong, but it's still a hypothetical situation.
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Dana wrote:
>
> Anyway. Abortion would have been more than disappointment, believe me.
> I saw one lady get kicked out of a "Christian" congregation because
> she was unhappy in her marriage -- in and of it
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Vivec wrote:
> No one mentioned moral outrage except you.
>
> Recognising a double standard and commenting on it is not silly.
No, you expressed moral outrage, and I commented on it.
Speculating on a possible double standard based on hypothetical events
is no bas
No one mentioned moral outrage except you.
Recognising a double standard and commenting on it is not silly.
2008/9/6 Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Moral outrage over something never even happened- silly.
>
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Moral outrage over something never even happened- silly.
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Gruss wrote:
> Dude. They would paint him out to be a crack addict with a knocked up
> daughter. Much of that is already happening without the knocked up
> daughter.
>
~~~
> Robert wrote:
> What amazes me is how poorly other people understand modern
> evangelicals. They have a softer line than their fire and brimstone
> predecessors. I don't think they would have bashed Obama over that, I
> really don't.
Dude. They would paint him out to be a crack addict with a kn
UM. Having been chastized at great length by a lady that I met at a
McDonald's play area in East Texas for thinking that I was Christian
because I was raised Catholic, I think you are the one who does not
understand. These are people who very sincerely believe that Halloween
is the work of the devi
What amazes me is how poorly other people understand modern
evangelicals. They have a softer line than their fire and brimstone
predecessors. I don't think they would have bashed Obama over that, I
really don't. Had she then decided to get an abortion, that might have
brought out the comments, but
you may well be correct about the contempt and arrogance. I am not
sure what you mean by dichotomies, but if I understand you I am
currently an agnostic on the topic.
I kow you are correct about what would be happening if it were Obama,
but I see no reason to go there myself just because of that.
You know what amazes me?
If Obama's 17 year old daughter had gotten pregnant the firs thting
hte Religious right, the news shows and the republicans as a whole
would have said is that he was irresponsible.
He was not taking proper care of his family as he should have been.
He did not instill prope
They may well affect my perception of the situation. I suspect that
what youare saying also stems from some family observation about
absent parents. But it matters whether the child is abandoned or
simply not always in one single person's care. I think that's an
artificial Hollywood expectation and
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Dana wrote:
> I guess I don't think I know enough to make that judgment.
Ok, I'll give you that I'm throwing stones.
*Sorry Rob, I was wrong!*
And disseminating or something like that. disingenuous.
Maybe the situation they have is perfect for them, and works jus
I guess I don't think I know enough to make that judgment. And I
question whether you do either. I am SO TIRED of people who think
other people are bad parents because they work, because they don't
work, because grandma babysits, because the teenager watches the baby,
because the kid goes to school
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Beth In Alaska wrote:
>> Do people "make do" all the fscking time? Sure! It's what we do. Get
>> by.
>>
>> But if you think that it's *optimal*, you're nuttier than I am.
>
> Yes - people do the BEST JOB THEY CAN as parents.
> But Sarah and Todd Palin aren't.
> RoMunn wrote:
> A friend of mine recently became CEO of a biotech startup.
Thanks for the leadership lecture, but I have no idea what you're
talking about or how it's related to anything.
You mentioned people with experience with "women in authority" and I
jokingly mentioned married people.
I
A friend of mine recently became CEO of a biotech startup. It's his
first CEO gig, first time running a business with investors, etc. The
other day he said to me that he was surprised that being a CEO is such
a lonely gig. Everyone is looking to you to make a decision. Everyone
is looking to you fo
> RoMunn wrote:
> Not the same thing, not even close.
>
Well, like what position of authority then?
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Not the same thing, not even close.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Gruss wrote:
>
> You mean us married folk, right?
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> For those of us who actually have real life experience with women in
> positions of authority, gender is not an issue.
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That goes right to the core of the issue for me. My mother raised my
brother and I by herself for six years from the time I was 2 years old
to 8 years old. She made a lot of sacrifices, and I admire her for
doing all the things she did to be a mother and a provider for us.
Even though I disagree wi
> I don't think part of my point is getting across here-- it's not about
> "mommy" being around, it's about "parents" being around.
>
> This is probably even "truer" for men than for women. Did my Cat's in
> the cradle, and a silver spoon reference not mean squat? The
> reference to the movie abo
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant
> I'd be interested in the link if you have it handy. Meanwhile I have
> spent enough time on the soaps for today and need to get some work
> done :)
>
> On Tue, S
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> I'd be interested in the link if you have it handy. Meanwhile I have
> spent enough time on the soaps for today and need to get some work
> done :)
its in the archived ADN - gotta pay to read - search monegan tasered
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On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Casey Dougall wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Dana wrote:
>> I don't believe in mommy-track feminism.
>>
>> Dana
>
> yeah. I might not think she's the right person for the position but the
> whole family thing is getting out of hand.
>
> Oh and lets not
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> egad. You are making me agree with Sam. Ick.
>
> Nonetheless, he is right. You are saying the wife should put her
> career on hold because you don't approve of the husband's schedule.
> No mention of any responsibility on daddy's be
I'd be interested in the link if you have it handy. Meanwhile I have
spent enough time on the soaps for today and need to get some work
done :)
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Beth In Alaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >the brother-in-law tasered his kids??
>>>
>>
>> That is the accusation that
I don't think there is any question that the kids are provided for. I
do question the suggestion that the woman's judgement is somehow in
question because the kids are at relatives' homes. We know NOTHING
about her family. I am not comfortable saying that there is something
wrong because they are n
well if true it's relevant to the trying to get him fired thing. IF
true. I'd have to look into it a lot more to know.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>the brother-in-law tasered his kids??
>>
>
> That is the accusation that the sister made in the very nasty
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:51 PM, denstar wrote:
>>
>> You *really* think that it's responsible to produce children you can't
>> provide for, eh? Wow.
>
> If you don't want to put words in my mouth, then don't do it. ;-)
I figured you'd like that
> >the brother-in-law tasered his kids??
>>
>
> That is the accusation that the sister made in the very nasty custody
> battle. Whether its true is debatable.
According to some Anchorage Daily News article (? perhaps questionable) the
trooper admitted it - he tasered his STEPSON to show him wh
> How are they not being provided for?
"being provided for" ?
is that what you go for with raising kids?
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- Original Message -
From: "Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant
> http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=1144
>
> Where did you hea
How are they not being provided for?
Many children of high stress/high profile parents go to sleep away
schools, foster with friends or stay with family. Often they will also
only stay with hired help. This isn't something new.
denstar wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, denstar wrote
"That is what the BJ room just off the Oval Office is for."
Wouldn't that be the Oral Office beside the Oval Office.
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:51 PM, denstar wrote:
>
> You *really* think that it's responsible to produce children you can't
> provide for, eh? Wow.
If you don't want to put words in my mouth, then don't do it. ;-)
Who is producing kids that they don't care for?
~~
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, denstar wrote:
>
>> We're in NM, so we're familiar with how wonderful kids can turn out
>> when raised by, say, grandparents, but, you gotta somehow agree that
>> having kids and expecting someone else to raise them is sorta not
>> responsible.
>>
>> And I've had e
>the brother-in-law tasered his kids??
>
That is the accusation that the sister made in the very nasty custody battle.
Whether its true is debatable.
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You have no idea of the relationship between any of these people and
here you are throwing stones at her. Shame on you, Denny, you are
better than that.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, denstar wrote:
> We're in NM, so we're familiar with how wonderful kids can turn out
> when raised by, say, gran
Thats pretty standard by now isn't it?
Dana wrote:
> so?
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I thought you said they were staying with the grandmother. That's not
>>> unusual, you know. My kids know at least three kids in families like
>>> that.
>>
>
Not very liberated thinking there.
Beth Fleischer wrote:
>> Palin has stood by her husband and kids through ups and downs, and you
>> want to make that a bad thing. Too bad more people don't follow her
>> example.
>
>
> I guess I dont' feel being VP is "standing by" her kids - I think its
> aba
e.
>
> I don't believe in mommy-track feminism.
>
> Dana
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Community"
http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=1144
Where did you hear yours?
On 9/2/08, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You do know the family still lives with her in the Governors mansion?
>
>
> Thats not true. Where in the world did you hear it?
>
> Her family home is in the
- Original Message -
From: "Robert Munn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant
> If she gets elected VP, she will have an army of personal assistants
I am surprised to be on the same side of the issue, too, but I have to
say I agree 100%. I like that phrase "mommy-track feminism", too, it
highlights the attitude behind this stance. The double-standard is
stunning.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Dana wrote:
> egad. You are making me agree wit
what you are saying here.
I don't believe in mommy-track feminism.
Dana
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Tues
so?
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I thought you said they were staying with the grandmother. That's not
>> unusual, you know. My kids know at least three kids in families like
>> that.
>
>
> A kid is with the grandmother -others are with aunts and unc
If she gets elected VP, she will have an army of personal assistants
and staff to help out, plus a cushy mansion in the Naval Observatory
where the whole family can live.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Beth wrote:
> Thats not true. Where in the world did you hear it?
>
> Her family home is i
- Original Message -
From: "Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant
> Sitting on the couch watching Oprah and eating bon-bons?
>
> I t
>I thought you said they were staying with the grandmother. That's not
> unusual, you know. My kids know at least three kids in families like
> that.
A kid is with the grandmother -others are with aunts and uncles. They are
NOT togther.
~~
Sitting on the couch watching Oprah and eating bon-bons?
I thought you were from the party that supported women rights.
You do know the family still lives with her in the Governors mansion?
On 9/2/08, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no, but perhaps she should wait until her kids gra
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant
>
>
>> It would be hypocrisy if Palin had preached abstinence in public but
>> encouraged her daught
- Original Message -
From: "Robert Munn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant
> It would be hypocrisy if Palin had preached abstinence in public but
> Palin has stood by her husband and kids through ups and downs, and you
> want to make that a bad thing. Too bad more people don't follow her
> example.
I guess I dont' feel being VP is "standing by" her kids - I think its
abandoning them.
~~~
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2008/09/02/1220340982_7116/539w.jpg
The one holding the baby.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:03 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> As the saying goes - TTIWWP -
> http://gov.state.ak.us/bio.html
>
> I'm *assuming* she's the one on the
we don't know that. We doon't know anything at all about the daughter
or the daughter's prospective husband. All the more reason to stay out
of it I say.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What kind of sick parent let's their children's future go away be
the brother-in-law tasered his kids??
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, the daughter's pregnant, the husband has DUIs, and the
> brother-in-law tasered his kids. You just gotta love these republican
> family values.
>
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Vi
As the saying goes - TTIWWP -
http://gov.state.ak.us/bio.html
I'm *assuming* she's the one on the right.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL.
>
> G Money wrote:
>> Can we cut through the political BS and get to the real question: Is her
>> daughter hot? An
LOL.
G Money wrote:
> Can we cut through the political BS and get to the real question: Is her
> daughter hot? Anyone seen pics?
>
>
>
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Can we cut through the political BS and get to the real question: Is her
daughter hot? Anyone seen pics?
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting developments coming from this story, apparently the
> evangelicals are now 200% behind her and are circlin
Interesting developments coming from this story, apparently the
evangelicals are now 200% behind her and are circling the wagons:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.evangelicals/index.html
On the political side of things, I thought that the Palin pick would
pull Hillary supporters, whic
dude, that's the world's coolest office
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Jerry J wrote:
> Of course not. That is what the BJ room just off the Oval Office is for.
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Silly me. What was I thinking. :-)
Jerry Johnson wrote:
> Of course not. That is what the BJ room just off the Oval Office is for.
>
> (Geez Bruce, get some class. BJ in the Oval Office. As if)
>
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Well that's only because someone beat me to the Kennedy's. LOL
And I was not derailing it, I was merely contributing to the topic at hand.
Maureen wrote:
> Maureen's corollary to Godwin's Law: Any political discussion will
> eventually be derailed by discussion of Clinton and se
Of course not. That is what the BJ room just off the Oval Office is for.
(Geez Bruce, get some class. BJ in the Oval Office. As if)
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yeah, because we know that the Dems's don't do things like get BJ's in
> > the Oval Office
Maureen's corollary to Godwin's Law: Any political discussion will
eventually be derailed by discussion of Clinton and sex
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, because we know that the Dems's don't do things like get BJ's in
> the Oval Office, right?
>
>
Or perhaps I would say something like 'oh well, guess these guys are no
different than other families'. Yeah, that's what I would say. There are
way more important things to worry about than pregnant teenage kids and
shit.
Bruce
Maureen wrote:
> It's call sarcasm, Robert. Look it up.
>
> If O
LOL.
Jeff Garza wrote:
> Wow... Sounds like the Kennedy clan minus a manslaughter charge or two...
>
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Yeah, because we know that the Dems's don't do things like get BJ's in
the Oval Office, right?
Maureen wrote:
> Yeah, the daughter's pregnant, the husband has DUIs, and the
> brother-in-law tasered his kids. You just gotta love these republican
> family values.
>
It would be hypocrisy if Palin had preached abstinence in public but
encouraged her daughter, in private, to have sex, so no, that's not
hypocrisy.
She can't control her own daughter? What was she supposed to do, chain
her up in the basement?
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Maureen wrote:
> It's
It's not about the families. It's about the judgment of McCain in
choosing this woman as his running mate - a woman who apparently
cannot even control her own daughter. That and the fact that the
religious right is so sanctimonious about telling the rest of us how
to live our lives.
Palin had n
You are barking up the wrong tree, I'm not even a Christian, and I'm
inclined to let people make their own choices about how they live
their lives.
No one can control what their family members do, and in this case, the
family members are not running for office. I agree with Obama,
everyone should
As Obama noted today, his mother was 18 when he was born, and she
raised him without his father.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Zaphod wrote:
> What kind of sick parent let's their children's future go away because
> of a mistake they made at 17? The "true" value would be to take the
> baby to t
What kind of sick parent let's their children's future go away because
of a mistake they made at 17? The "true" value would be to take the
baby to term and then give it up for adoption. Therefore foregoing
the divorce that would happen in a few years and bypassing the child
only having on
Larry Craig wasn't running for president, and someone was dancing
Wasn't Edward on the short list for VP. He is a laywer and that seems
to be a requirement.
On 9/1/08, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edwards was already out of the race, so: moot point.
>
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Sa
Edwards was already out of the race, so: moot point.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like with Edwards?
> I missed the marches. Didn't even see the thread on cfcommunity.
>
> On 9/1/08, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It's call sarcasm, Robert. Look it up.
Like with Edwards?
I missed the marches. Didn't even see the thread on cfcommunity.
On 9/1/08, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's call sarcasm, Robert. Look it up.
>
> If Obama or Biden had a pregnant 17 year old unmarried daughter, you
> guys would be marching in the streets denouncing t
It's call sarcasm, Robert. Look it up.
If Obama or Biden had a pregnant 17 year old unmarried daughter, you
guys would be marching in the streets denouncing them for sinners.
The hypocrisy gags me.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Didn't Palin want the
Actually, in the Kennedy clan it is the politicians who commit most of
the wrongdoing, not other family members.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Jeff G wrote:
> Wow... Sounds like the Kennedy clan minus a manslaughter charge or two...
~
Didn't Palin want the brother-in-law fired because he tasered the
kids? So which part are you OK with, the guy tasering the kids or
getting to keep his job?
As for the daughter, she's keeping the baby and marrying the father,
that pretty much is what Republicans refer to as family values. Maybe
no
Wow... Sounds like the Kennedy clan minus a manslaughter charge or two...
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To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant
Yeah, the daughter's pregnant, the husband has DUIs, and the broth
Yeah, the daughter's pregnant, the husband has DUIs, and the
brother-in-law tasered his kids. You just gotta love these republican
family values.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2944356420080901
>
> "ST. PAUL (Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2944356420080901
"ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice
presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday
in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers
that Palin faked her own pregnanc
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