Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-11 Thread Sam
You bring up a good point that was noted in the WSJ. The Weather Isn't Getting Weirder The latest research belies the idea that storms are getting more extreme. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704422204576130300992126630.html ... Compare that outcome to the 55 people who reportedly

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I have no opinion on Krugman, and don't care about the political debate ... :" You should read him. He's always good for a chuckle. "Which, exactly, is the 'made up' part?" You missed my point. I believe Krugman believes believes what he wrote. I meant that If I were to sit down to pen an a

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
It's socialism if you force people to buy your magic pixie dust. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I thought you were a capitalist.  Since when is it wrong to make money? > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Because now there's money to be made from it. >> >

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
you would understand how silly you sound claiming excessive snowfall could not be related to warming simply because it happens in the winter. My bad, you said related. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Maureen wrote: > > That would be because I am NOT claiming that warmer weather causes > colder

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
I think it was he and Steve McIntyre that made NASA revise their list of warmest years do to faulty data. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > The fact that he uses climategate as one of his tab labels on his site > already discredits him...that and he is a TV Meterologist. >

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Maureen
I thought you were a capitalist. Since when is it wrong to make money? On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sam wrote: > > Because now there's money to be made from it. > > . > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> I have yet to hear anyone explain how the climate changed so m

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Maureen
That would be because I am NOT claiming that warmer weather causes colder weather. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Sam wrote: > > But you don't sound at all silly claiming a warmer climate causes > colder weather :P ~| Order t

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
The fact that he uses climategate as one of his tab labels on his site already discredits him...that and he is a TV Meterologist. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 17:00 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
One assistant professor != 100,000 of thousands of people http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/08/a-cherry-picker%E2%80%99s-guide-to-temperature-trends-update-warming-crisis-not/#more-33563 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > In the Northern Hemisphere since 1979, the averag

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
al Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 16:38 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming My bad, it's not the only cause of the glaciers retreating and advancing. That we leave to CO2. On Tue, Feb 8,

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
http://ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/story.php?id=8199 -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 16:38 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming My bad, it's not the only cause of the gla

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 2:21 PM, Sam wrote: > Climate has cycles and stop being a patronizing ass. Climate has cycles. But we can not possibly be in a cycle now and anybody who tries to prove how the cycle is currently going is a liar and makes up their data. On 2/8/2011 2:21 PM, Sam wrote: > Stop being a

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
My bad, it's not the only cause of the glaciers retreating and advancing. That we leave to CO2. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Lets go with the full quote... > > If the Indian monsoon season is weaker because of global atmospheric changes > such as El Niño, then Centra

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Nobody is advocating a do nothing approach. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > My problem is that I would rather have a measured and reasonable > response on how to go from here. I am not advocating we do nothing, > rather that we take steps that will make a difference

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Read up on glaciers. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:53 PM, Sam wrote: >> You didn't even read the article. > > Yes I did.  Please cut and past the part of the article that tells me > where the glaciers that have already disappeared from Glacier National >

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
there is " global atmospheric changes such as El Niño" not because of El Nino... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 16:20 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming It says the ca

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
s.  That isn't odd in mountainous regions. > > -Original Message- > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:43 > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming > > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:27 PM,

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Did my explanation help at all, Scott? If there are areas you are > looking for more information on, I'm happy to try and track down > things that are specific to where you feel there are gaps in your > understanding of the situation. It

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
ailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:52 > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming > > > The weather changes, always has. Saying that the climate is changing > one way, then another, then both and starting a compan

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Climate has cycles and stop being a patronizing ass. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:51 PM, Sam wrote: >> The weather changes, always has. Saying that the climate is changing >> one way, then another > > Lets start with a very basic question.  Do you believe

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Read the entire PDF when you get a chance. That was just a very small snippet. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 16:12 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming When people use

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
It says the cause of the few that are retreating is El Nino On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Or better yet...how about reading the full report... > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110124162708.htm > ~~

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > You do realize that it is winter in NYC and snow in the winter is not a > new thing. Hmmm, so weather is seasonal? >> I feel like a little simpleton trying to point out how ridiculous you sound. >> Do you really think the earth has warmed a

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Keep in mind, this was from a statement made in 1972... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 16:12 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming When people use words like 'it is pos

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 2:07 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: >> On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinnerwrote: Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are bullshit and completely made up for the

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
m] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:52 > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming > > > The weather changes, always has. Saying that the climate is changing one > way, then another, then both and starting a company to trade and tax carb

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: >> >> On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner  wrote: Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are bullshit and completely m

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner  wrote: >>> Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are >>> bullshit and completely made up for the profit of some group or the >>> other is idiot

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:53 PM, Sam wrote: > You didn't even read the article. Yes I did. Please cut and past the part of the article that tells me where the glaciers that have already disappeared from Glacier National Park and many other places in the world have gone. ~~

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:43 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > The last I heard, glaciers are still melting and all that water is >

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:51 PM, Sam wrote: > The weather changes, always has. Saying that the climate is changing > one way, then another Lets start with a very basic question. Do you believe that the climate as always been as it more or less is now? That there have never been ice ages or global tropica

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Or better yet...how about reading the full report... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110124162708.htm -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:43 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:42 PM, Sam wrote: > So Hemp is the AC for the Antartic which is getting too much snow > pack. Or something like that. > > You do realize it's summer there? Heat waves in the summer in South > America, is that a new thing? You do realize that it is winter in NYC and snow in the winte

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
rom: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:52 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming The weather changes, always has. Saying that the climate is changing one way, then another, then both and starting a company to trade and

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
You didn't even read the article. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:42 PM, Sam wrote: >> That was bad data and has been retracted. > > Me going to National Glacier Park and seeing a lot less Glaciers then > where there 30 years ago is bad data?  Looking at Nat

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Umm...no...that is not El Nino/La Nina and is not even related to it... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:44 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming El Nino and La Nina you finally

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
The weather changes, always has. Saying that the climate is changing one way, then another, then both and starting a company to trade and tax carbon is pure BS. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:42 PM, Sam wrote: > That was bad data and has been retracted. Me going to National Glacier Park and seeing a lot less Glaciers then where there 30 years ago is bad data? Looking at National Geographic pictures of Glaciers around the world that are gone? Where did the Al Gore hi

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
ROFLMAO -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:38 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming Yeah, but I got a ton of snow this year so I should obviously drive a full size suburban

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: >> Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are >> bullshit and completely made up for the profit of some group or the >> other is idiotic. > I never said that. No, you did not say that, but othe

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
El Nino and La Nina you finally get it. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > No...climate is changing.  Climactic patterns effect weather as well as some > of the engines that drive weather.  Decreased salinity from melting polar > icecaps effects the thermohaline belt that

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > The last I heard, glaciers are still melting and all that water is going > to go somewhere. That was bad data and has been retracted. Even the left leaning Telegraph noticed this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/828

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Medic
or at least read a book or two on it). > I don't mean that as a jab...it's a very interesting subject and would give > you a better understanding of what is going on. > > -Original Message- > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08,

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Yes...read the link I posted. They talk a little bit about it. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 14:17 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
ebruary 08, 2011 14:16 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming You mean the weather is changing, not the climate. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Because it has changed more now, and more rapidly than in the past. > > Th

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are > bullshit and completely made up for the profit of some group or the > other is idiotic. I never said that. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch thin

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:15 PM, Sam wrote: > Maybe if we didn't cause all this warming there would be even more snow. Yes exactly! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:13 PM, Sam wrote: > What's idiotic is the people that fall for this shit. Last year you > were crying the glaciers were melting and NYC was going to be under > water. Now your argument is too much snow. Don't you feel just a > little dupped? The last I heard, glaciers are still melt

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ras Tafari
maybe. and i dont discount maybe's at all. but, it just seems odd. i'd love to be proved WRONG On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Sam wrote: > > I remember back in the '70's when they first came out with GW because > we had a few hot summers. That year NY got hit with 17 snow storms and > shut th

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 14:04 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming I have yet to hear anyone explain how the climate changed so much before man had machines. Look at the graph here, http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ H

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Mainly because the people who deny it probably can't pronounce it... ;-) -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 13:46 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming The term was chan

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
I remember back in the '70's when they first came out with GW because we had a few hot summers. That year NY got hit with 17 snow storms and shut them up for a decade or two. You're just young grasshopper and thinking in short spans. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > sam,

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
It is definitely a more descriptive label. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 13:43 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming I have to imagine its not just Sam. I would be willing

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Maybe we shouldn't have funked with the ozone hole. Maybe that's why it's getting cold instead of hot. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Vivec wrote: > > I always remember the effort against CFCs, and how that worked so very well. > > But it took the will of the United States to get behind it, th

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ras Tafari
sam, i think you are thinking too local. a higher prevalence of snow here. more rain there. more windstorms here. more snow there. more crazy cyclones over there. im not saying we made it happen, but something is DEF changing. i even hear older people talking about how they havent seen storms li

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Maybe if we didn't cause all this warming there would be even more snow. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: >> You mean we weren't confused so they had to change something. >> >> I bet when Gore said Manhattan would be 20 feet under water

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Now that makes even Al Gore sound smart. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 11:09 AM, Sam wrote: >> I wish he would stop confusing me. >> It's really messing up the NYC gondola business I was planning. > > Air Conditioners must be a real conundrum to you.  How wh

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > They are out there.  This is a horrible reference, but I saw a show once > that discussed research being done on ice cores from the Antarctic. Agreed. Horrible. >  From these cores they could provide a 200,000 year history of climate > chang

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Vivec
I always remember the effort against CFCs, and how that worked so very well. But it took the will of the United States to get behind it, then everyone else followed. On 8 February 2011 17:04, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Finally, I think it is worth pointing out that changing human activity > can a

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 12:32 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> however, the direct link between the >> post-industrial revolution change in human activity and the subsequent >> changes in atmospheric composition seem compelling and broadly >> substantiated.

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 12:32 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > however, the direct link between the > post-industrial revolution change in human activity and the subsequent > changes in atmospheric composition seem compelling and broadly > substantiated. And just as important. Even if future research proves that

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 12:34 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > Not that is very much a more debatable point. NOW that is very much a more debatable point! Typos that are still correctly spelled word -- the bane of my communications. ~| Order th

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Judah McAuley
The units on that graph make it difficult to see that big old red spike (temperature) on the right. If you look closely you'll see it smears up faster than anything else on the graph, by far, but it is right up against the cropping boundary so you don't see it well. That's the line from the last 1

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: > You mean we weren't confused so they had to change something. > > I bet when Gore said Manhattan would be 20 feet under water he meant > in the form of snow. And that snow hasn't effected NYC society at all has it. ~~

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 11:09 AM, Sam wrote: > I wish he would stop confusing me. > It's really messing up the NYC gondola business I was planning. Air Conditioners must be a real conundrum to you. How when energy is added to the system the system gets hotter, but yet the room gets colder. ~

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 12:16 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Vivec wrote: >> Because it has changed more now, and more rapidly than in the past. > Can you provide links that support this statement? They are out there. This is a horrible reference, but I saw a show once that discu

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I have yet to hear anyone explain how the climate changed so much > before man had machines. > > Look at the graph here, > http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ > > How do you explain the climate change from sever

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ras Tafari
what this link tells me (someone posted it earlier) http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ is that we are actually luckily to have been alive in this period, where we seem to be late to the party for the next warming... seems to be 50-100,000 years late to me? On Tue,

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Because it has changed more now, and more rapidly than in the past. Can you provide links that support this statement? Again, not trying to be a prick, just trying to have a better understanding. From the graph in the link I posted, it seems the c

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
You mean the weather is changing, not the climate. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Because it has changed more now, and more rapidly than in the past. > > The unassailable fact is that the climate is changing, and it is not > changing to benefit mankind right now. > > That is

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Vivec
Because it has changed more now, and more rapidly than in the past. The unassailable fact is that the climate is changing, and it is not changing to benefit mankind right now. That is going to have effects on world food and world economies, as well as several other things. On 8 February 2011 16

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Because now there's money to be made from it. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I have yet to hear anyone explain how the climate changed so much > before man had machines. > > Look at the graph here, > http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ > >

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
I have yet to hear anyone explain how the climate changed so much before man had machines. Look at the graph here, http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ How do you explain the climate change from several hundred thousand years ago? I am really not trying to be a pric

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
I guess it's been changed back: "scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe" -Al Gore last week . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > The term was changed a number of years ago but global warming has set > i

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
You had me at anthropogenic. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > The term was changed a number of years ago but global warming has set > into the lexicon of popular culture and media. It also isn't exactly > incorrect, the average global temperature is rising, but anthro

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Or because they now realize it's pure bullshit. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > The term was changed a number of years ago but global warming has set > into the lexicon of popular culture and media. It also isn't exactly > incorrect, the average global temperature i

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
You mean we weren't confused so they had to change something. I bet when Gore said Manhattan would be 20 feet under water he meant in the form of snow. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I have to imagine its not just Sam. > > I would be willing to bet the label being us

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Judah McAuley
The term was changed a number of years ago but global warming has set into the lexicon of popular culture and media. It also isn't exactly incorrect, the average global temperature is rising, but anthropogenic climate change is a much better description. Unfortunately, it is also a term that is bo

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
But you don't sound at all silly claiming a warmer climate causes colder weather :P . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Maureen wrote: > > No.  He said it was caused by climate change.  And a lot of scientists > and meteorologists agree with him.  If you had any knowledge at all of > weather sci

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
I have to imagine its not just Sam. I would be willing to bet the label being used was changed from'global warming' to 'global climate change' because a lot of people were confused. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Maureen wrote: > > No.  He said it was caused by climate change.  And a lot of s

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Maureen
No. He said it was caused by climate change. And a lot of scientists and meteorologists agree with him. If you had any knowledge at all of weather science, you would understand how silly you sound claiming excessive snowfall could not be related to warming simply because it happens in the winte

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
I wish he would stop confusing me. It's really messing up the NYC gondola business I was planning. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 10:01 AM, Sam wrote: >> Al Gore said the cold weather is caused by global warming. > > You say that like it isn't what happens?

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 10:01 AM, Sam wrote: > Al Gore said the cold weather is caused by global warming. You say that like it isn't what happens? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Antholo

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Al Gore said the cold weather is caused by global warming. He created the internet and everything on the internet is true! . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Whether caused by climate change or global warning, you cannot deny > that numerous severe weather events have happen

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
It's more the severity and frequency of severe storms that is the issue Scott. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:53 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming Exactly! I mean

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming I have no opinion on Krugman, and don't care about the political debate re: Global Warming...but I do have a question about your last statement: Which, exactly, is the "made up" part? That climate changes wou

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
Exactly! I mean, its not like we never had any severe weather events until a decade ago! Wait...we did...never mind On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Whether caused by climate change or global warning, you cannot deny > that numerous severe weather events have happened over t

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Maureen
Whether caused by climate change or global warning, you cannot deny that numerous severe weather events have happened over the last decade that have affected food production. Have you been paying attention? On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > "global warming". > > Jees

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
"global warming". Jeesh, you really haven;t been paying attention. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:00 PM, G Money wrote: > > Which, exactly, is the "made up" part? > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazo

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread G Money
I have no opinion on Krugman, and don't care about the political debate re: Global Warming...but I do have a question about your last statement: Which, exactly, is the "made up" part? That climate changes would affect food production? That food production would affect prices? That food prices wou

Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=2> Excerpt: The consequences of this food crisis go far beyond economics. After all, the big question about uprisings against corrupt and oppressive regimes in the Middle East