Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-06 Thread Sam
I always knew it was Reagan that caused the mortgage crisis but I didn't want to say it because I like him. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Another myth. > > I really liked what Gorbachev said. "We are going to do a very cruel > thing to you, we are going to take away

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-06 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Another myth. I really liked what Gorbachev said. "We are going to do a very cruel thing to you, we are going to take away your enemy" I would also suggest that it all but bankrupted the US and lead directly to the situation we are in now. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > >

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-06 Thread Robert Munn
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Medic wrote: > > Regan had a plan? Naw. USSR may have been bankrupted in part due to the arms > race, but that was a side effect of it and not the intent of it. Of course that was the intent of the arms race, and it worked. Reagan saw the defeat of Soviet communi

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I um hope he didn't find it too uncomfortable. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM, denstar wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM, G Money wrote: >>> >>> True...but many people proudly label themselves "Liberals" too. >> >> I've started

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread denstar
heh. =)p On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM, denstar wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM, G Money wrote: >>> >>> True...but many people proudly label themselves "Liberals" too. >> >> I've started labeling myself a "Eugenicist".  It jus

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread Eric Roberts
We can just call you Eugene ;-) On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:08 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM, G Money wrote: > > > > True...but many people proudly label themselves "Liberals" too. > > I've started labeling myself a "Eugenicist". It just sounds cool, ya know? > > :Den Seg

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM, G Money wrote: >> >> True...but many people proudly label themselves "Liberals" too. > > I've started labeling myself a "Eugenicist".  It just sounds cool, ya know? Me too but that's just because I lived in Eugene

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM, G Money wrote: > > True...but many people proudly label themselves "Liberals" too. I've started labeling myself a "Eugenicist". It just sounds cool, ya know? :Den Sega Eugenicist UNO -- It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of kn

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread Maureen
My issue is not with what people label themselves, but with others using labels in a attempt to denigrate. Someone on this list asked me once why it bothered me to be called a liberal, and I gave that question a lot of thought. I decided the reason it bothers me is that I don't self-identify as

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread Sam
Who's they? I admitted I like the neo-con talking points years ago and I agree with much of what Krauthammer a says but not all. That said, I rarely even listen to the folks from Weekly Standard. Other than that I've never heard anyone claim to the term neo-con On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:21 PM, M

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread G Money
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM, G Money wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Sam wrote: > > > >> > >> Like using the label neo-conservative base? > >> > >> > > ZING > > Yeah..bad choice of words, although it what they call thems

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread Maureen
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Sam wrote: > >> >> Like using the label neo-conservative base? >> >> > ZING Yeah..bad choice of words, although it what they call themselves, not me labeling them. ~~

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread G Money
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Sam wrote: > > Like using the label neo-conservative base? > > ZING -- Glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology n

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread Sam
Like using the label neo-conservative base? On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Maureen wrote: > > All labels are ridiculous.  I hate them, especially when they are > being applied to me, or only being used to discredit the person being > labeled, as in labeling Obama a socialist to generate fear

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread Maureen
All labels are ridiculous. I hate them, especially when they are being applied to me, or only being used to discredit the person being labeled, as in labeling Obama a socialist to generate fear in the neo-conservative base. Much like profanity, using labels is the sign of weak mind and weaker ar

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-05 Thread Medic
Regan had a plan? Naw. USSR may have been bankrupted in part due to the arms race, but that was a side effect of it and not the intent of it. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: > > > > Interesting myth that. Too bad th

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-04 Thread Sam
Were you sleeping all that time? It's history that you lived through. It took many years. It actually happened during the Bush 41 years as you pointed out with your silly coup-as-the-only-reason. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Really? sources please? Or is right wing

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-04 Thread Eric Roberts
Actually I would say that it was a combination of both, the strains of a large budget, pressure from within, and a stunning blow from their defeat in Afghanistan...kinda sounds like history repeating itself...taking it's cue from the dying days of Czarist Russia...and much like with the Bolshivek

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-04 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Really? sources please? Or is right wing propaganda enough evidence. >From my understanding (data to follow) the USSR was already in trouble before Ronny Raygun took power. Also are you saying that Raygun waved his magic wand and poof that evil commynism disappeared? That the brave people of Rom

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-04 Thread Robert Munn
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Interesting myth that. Too bad the rest of the world doesn't believe > it. The Germans, the Bulgarians, Poles etc know that it was their own > people who forced the communist regimes out, with no  real help from > Ronnie Raygun, just some

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Interesting myth that. Too bad the rest of the world doesn't believe it. The Germans, the Bulgarians, Poles etc know that it was their own people who forced the communist regimes out, with no real help from Ronnie Raygun, just some empty rhetoric. Interesting story about the attempted coup in Ru

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-03 Thread denstar
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Sam wrote: ... > Carter and Clinton both raped defense for all they could. I think the > theory was who would attack America with such nice guys running her. > We see where that got us. Oh, totally. We were vulnerable, not because of our policies, but because of o

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-03 Thread Sam
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 3:48 PM, denstar wrote: > > Is this true?  I mean, you're not making this up, right? Hard to say since the source links are fake/broken. But not hard to believe. The three biggest pieces of the budget are SS, MA/MC and defense. Carter and Clinton both raped defense for a

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-03 Thread denstar
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Hey, 'Republicans and Democrats are the same' type folks (or even better, > 'Republicans will solve our fiscal problem' folk)-- what's your take on > this?" > > My take is that a lot Republicans politicians are full of shit.  Being a > Repub

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Hey, 'Republicans and Democrats are the same' type folks (or even better, 'Republicans will solve our fiscal problem' folk)-- what's your take on this?" My take is that a lot Republicans politicians are full of shit. Being a Republican elected official is not evidence of being conservative. Th

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-03 Thread Maureen
It's a quote from the website link I gave. The data looks correct to me. I did not make it up. On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:48 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Maureen wrote: > ... >> ...every Democratic president (Kennedy-Johnson, Carter, and Clinton) >> left office with t

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-03 Thread denstar
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Maureen wrote: ... > ...every Democratic president (Kennedy-Johnson, Carter, and Clinton) > left office with the ratio of national debt to income below where it > was at the beginning of his administration, while the last three > Republican administrations (Reagan,

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-01 Thread Sam
And to think Obama has spent more in less than two years than all presidents combined and you don't care. http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/vindicated_the_truth_about_con.html Vindicated: The Truth about Conservative Economic Policies On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Maureen wrote: > > >

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-01 Thread Maureen
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "There is at least one economic theory claiming that deficit spending is > necessary  - that is better to 'saddle the next generation with debt' than > to allow the economy or political structure to collapse." > > One?  How about dozens. Th

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-01 Thread Sam
That's how Clinton created a surplus, he raided the SS fund prompting Al Gore to coin the phrase lockbox. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Raiding SS was a government standard long before Bush took office. If it > wasn't "Bush's wars", it would have been something else.

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"There is at least one economic theory claiming that deficit spending is necessary - that is better to 'saddle the next generation with debt' than to allow the economy or political structure to collapse." One? How about dozens. "I do however feel that the government taking money from that fun

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-01 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Maureen wrote: > Your anger is misdirected, and your passion misguided.  But your heart > is in the right place.  I too do not wish to pass debt to the next > generations, but I also don't want to cut off the only source of food, > housing and medical care for th

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-01 Thread Maureen
You neatly side-stepped my questions and threw another red herring out, but I am being generous tonight so I will answer you anyhow. No, I do not feel that me collecting social security, from a fund that I paid into for the last 44 years in an amount that far exceeds anything that I will ever col

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-01 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Social Security also produces 25% of the revenue.  Are you taking that > into account?  The Department of Defense, on the other hand, is > revenue negative but eats as much of the budget as Social Security > even without the inclusion of all of

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-10-01 Thread Maureen
Social Security also produces 25% of the revenue. Are you taking that into account? The Department of Defense, on the other hand, is revenue negative but eats as much of the budget as Social Security even without the inclusion of all of the emergency spending bills. You sure have a fixation on

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-09-30 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > I'm more of a fiscal conservative than that. I hate deficits, > especially when they are created solely to enhance the wealth of the > greedy.   The problem have with those currently yelling about deficits > and demanding cuts is that they wil

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-09-30 Thread Maureen
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Justin Scott wrote: > >> And the Roman quote?  Didn't the Roman empire >> collapse?  Perhaps not the best example to follow. > > So, we should saddle our grandchildren with debt instead? There is at least one economic theory claiming that deficit spending is nece

RE: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-09-30 Thread Justin Scott
> And the Roman quote? Didn't the Roman empire > collapse? Perhaps not the best example to follow. So, we should saddle our grandchildren with debt instead? The Roman Empire didn't fall for financial reasons if I remember my history correctly. They actually did a fair job of managing their ec

Re: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-09-30 Thread Maureen
This is a man who makes money when the financial markets are troubled. He wants them troubled, hence his prognostications of doom. "Let's put the negative spin out there folks, and scare the little guy so he'll hoard his pennies and make the economy worse - then laugh all the way to our banks in

RE: The Federal Reserve in US will be gone within 25 years.

2010-09-30 Thread Justin Scott
> "It's like someone flying a plane without > understanding how to fly." Flying is actually the really easy part. It's knowing how to land and deal with emergencies that makes it hard. :) -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusi