and (fill in the tele-evangilist of your choice) said I'll make it profitable.
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At 10:24 AM 6/4/04, Angel wrote:
>It
At 10:24 AM 6/4/04, Angel wrote:
>It's quite sad that mankind requires Religion in order to behave
>ethically. To me it proves we really haven't moved that far along in the
>thousands of years we've been on the planet.
And God said "I will give you truth"
And the Devil said "I will organize it an
:)
>At 01:07 PM 6/4/04, Dana wrote:
>
>>Maureen, it's a troll. I wouldn't worry about it.
>
>Don't worry. I rarely feed the trolls., although I do occasionally like to
>poke at them with sharp objects.
>
>What's the old quote? "It's no fun to have a battle of wits with an
>unarmed man"
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At 01:07 PM 6/4/04, Dana wrote:
>Maureen, it's a troll. I wouldn't worry about it.
Don't worry. I rarely feed the trolls., although I do occasionally like to
poke at them with sharp objects.
What's the old quote? "It's no fun to have a battle of wits with an
unarmed man"
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>From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:42 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
>
>
>> But as I also see that same mentality on this list..."you
>> don't agree with what I believe in so
oh please. I'd take issue with this, but what's the point? You'd only claim you were misquoted :)
Maureen, it's a troll. I wouldn't worry about it.
Dana
>Those values are gone for good here in the US because people here are
>concerned with one thing only: numero uno. We Americans want want want
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> I'll use myself as an example, I don't do some things becasue I think they
> are wrong.
>
> If there were no consequence to reap becasue of my actions, you don't
think
> that would make me a different kind of person...
>
> Now, take that idea
> But what about those of us who have progressed beyond it? :)
But what of those of us who have progressed TO it? (myself for example).
> Okay, that may sound arrogant, but I don't believe in a higher deity. I
> believe that when I die, I die and cease to exist. However, I also like
> to live by
le in the
world.
Murder, theft, rape, etc. would be magnified.
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> It would definately be worse.
I just don't see that.
> It would definately be worse.
I just don't see that.
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It would definately be worse.
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Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:22 AM
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> If we lived forever it would make no difference...the world
> would be chaotic without re
> > True, but that is war because of the differences of religion.
>
> So some circumstances make war just?
WWII had a lot of circumstances that made war against Germany just. Few were
acted on, but
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If we lived forever it would make no difference...the world would be chaotic
without religion.
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Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:10 AM
To: CF-Community
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It's nicer than using "it" to refer to God. How do you assign gender to the
infinite? How do you assign gender to the creator of gender. "he" is just a term
used as a neuter (no, I'm not suggesting men be neutered you sick people).
"she", due to time and culture is more of a loaded term.
> Mikey s
> If we lived forever it would make no difference...the world
> would be chaotic without religion.
No more chaotic than with religion.
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Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:10 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
Tell me, what purpose would Religion
Tell me, what purpose would Religion play in our lives if Man could
literally live forever?
Assume that we invent nano technology that is able to repair our cells
and that we crack the ageing code, so our cells do not have a finite
lifespan after which they self destruct.
Therefore to 'die' woul
t: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:45 AM
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>
>
> But what about those of us who have progressed beyond it? :)
>
> Okay, that may sound arrogant, but I don't believe in a
> higher deity. I believe that when I die, I die a
> I just get very peeved when the government starts venturing
> into the religious arena. The federal government is allowed
> to operate to protect our borders. What are they doing
> trying to legislate morality?
Well said.
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> From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> I think religion is necessary because Man has not evolved culturally
or
> ethic
today.
So there is good in it.
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I think religion is necessary because Man has not evolved culturally or
ethically to match his prope
ve a
double chocolate chip glazed brownie muffin!
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From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:25 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
I think religion is necessary because Man has not evolved culturally or
ethically to mat
I think religion is necessary because Man has not evolved culturally or
ethically to match his propensity for destruction.
Mankind would be unable as a whole to act ethically without the fear of
a vengeful god or the selfish desire for spiritual achievement.In other
words if people did not think
The people made it violent.
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From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:12 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
St. Augustine was not discussing differences, rather he was trying to lay
the groundwork for limiting war
At 09:58 6/4/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>You can also take a functionalist view of religion - it serves as a
>supporting and reinforcing role to society and helps to preserve and advance
>social mores and folkways. Looking at it that way, religious institutions
>help societies survive and grow by activ
> True, but that is war because of the differences of religion.
So some circumstances make war just?
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> True, but that is war because of the differences of religion.
>
>
>
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> From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:0
True, but that is war because of the differences of religion.
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Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:08 AM
To: CF-Community
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Actually the writings of St. Augustine did advocate war under very
; Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:48 AM
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>
>
> You mean YOUR true religion does not promote war.
>
> There have been many religions through history that promoted
> and glorified war.
>
> Check out the Greek and R
Oh yes, his tidbits of wisdom reverberate through my mind ;-)
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From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:02 AM
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... and Chef!
At 04:11 AM 6/4/2004, you wrote:
>Actually, to me South Park
ael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>Isn't southpark a re-enactment of the bible's stories? :-)
>"OMG, you killed Isaac!"
>
> > The guy on crossing over also won the
belief patterns.
larry
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> From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:26 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
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>
> At 09:12 6/4/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> > > That is exactly wh
You mean YOUR true religion does not promote war.
There have been many religions through history that promoted and glorified war.
Check out the Greek and Roman pantheons for examples. Also some of the Hindu beliefs. And the Norse and Native American traditions.
You are really talking about most
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:42 AM
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Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
> But as I also see that same mentality on this list..."you
> don't agree with what I believe in so off with your head"
Examples? I am not seeing this and feel as if you are blowing good
c
One of the customs that make it so easy to lead the so-called believers astray
is the custom of teaching "Expository preaching " in most all the seminaries, at
least the ones in the US.
What this means is that to illustrate a point, a specific line quote from the
Bible is given, even though it may
> But as I also see that same mentality on this list..."you
> don't agree with what I believe in so off with your head"
Examples? I am not seeing this and feel as if you are blowing good
conversation into something negative... When in fact it is not. Please site
some examples
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From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:26 AM
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At 09:12 6/4/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> > That is exactly what religion is - a set of beliefs, values
> > and practices...our guide is the bible.
At 09:12 6/4/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> > That is exactly what religion is - a set of beliefs, values
> > and practices...our guide is the bible.
>
>The problem is that your guide and others do not always match up, which
>means the common denominator should become the defacto... Which in its basic
>f
And I totally agree with you.
Have a great Friday :)
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From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:19 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
Monique,
I have no objection to those who follow the mainstream Christian
Those values are gone for good here in the US because people here are
concerned with one thing only: numero uno. We Americans want want want at
any cost. We measure success by the size of the SUV we drive and the house
we live in, not how we treat others or what actions we take to make this
world a
Mikey said:
> ... snipped ...
> If they had true
> faith then they would wait for God to do whatever is planned
> rather than trying to do it for him.
> ... snipped ...
Or her? :-)
George
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d I'd rather not.
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> From: Monique Boea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:58 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
>
>
> group who completely denigrates rational thinking and education
> That is exactly what religion is - a set of beliefs, values
> and practices...our guide is the bible.
The problem is that your guide and others do not always match up, which
means the common denominator should become the defacto... Which in its basic
form is "treat others how you want to be tre
ns, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:36 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
Just a quick comment Mike, I'm seeing a fundamental (pardon the pun) mistake
on your part, you are assuming rationality from a group who completely
denigrates rational t
) and
therefore the law.
larry
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:18 PM
> To: CF-Community
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>
>
> A quote out of context is a lie waiting to happen - the
you is crazy. But that's okay. It's my belief.
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From: Monique Boea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:01 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
Sorry about that...didn't know it would come over that way...
http://netbible
-Community
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Isn't southpark a re-enactment of the bible's stories? :-)
"OMG, you killed Isaac!"
> The guy on crossing over also won the coveted "Biggest
> Douchebag in the Universe" Award on a South Park episode a while back
Isn't southpark a re-enactment of the bible's stories? :-)
"OMG, you killed Isaac!"
> The guy on crossing over also won the coveted "Biggest
> Douchebag in the Universe" Award on a South Park episode a while back.
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The guy on crossing over also won the coveted "Biggest Douchebag in the
Universe" Award on a South Park episode a while back.
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:03 PM
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This conversation is kind of humorous To me the bible is nothing more
than a collection of stories to help us live our lives better based on a
time long long ago. The problem is when people start taking the bible
literally and imposing those viewpoints on society. I find the following the
most
> Well, she could be coding asp.net in FrontPage...
While drinking caffine free, diet mountain dew.
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> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:32 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Jesus Landing Pa
Well, she could be coding asp.net in FrontPage...
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:32 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The Jesus Landing Pad
It would depend on why and the religion in question.
Lets see. we covered
It would depend on why and the religion in question.
Lets see. we covered religion, politics, gay marriage, and abortion. What's
left? Ah, I got it.
What if the widow aborts the brother's baby while coding in Asp.Net? And
worshipping the Devil (And yes, coding asp and worshipping the devil may be
Ok, going for the triple play here...
What if the widow aborts the brother's baby?
Hmm religion and politics in one topic... a double whammy! :-)
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True! There should be bonus points for that! :-)
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They managed to work in sex on a number of messages, as well.
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They managed to work in sex on a number of messages, as well.
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Hmm religion and politics in one topic... a double whammy! :-)
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It's a good thing that we're in a war against a group of people who are
radical fundamentalists who think their way of life is the only correct
one and are ready to kill people to advance their cause.oh wait!
That's US!
--
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troyed isn't going to do it. Trying to 'force' God isn't going to do it.
> Only
> doing good. Wish these Apostolics saw it that way. But then again, they
> probably
> see it as a 'good deed'.
>
> And you all know how I just missionaries.
>
> > Tha
A quote out of context is a lie waiting to happen - the sayings of Michael
Dinowitz
No disrespect, but your quotes have to be examined in context:
> Marriage shall consist of a union between one man and one or more
> women.Genesis 29:17-28.
This is not a law nor can be taken as one. It's the sto
> There was someone on TV, but Crossing Over was canceled I believe. Although I
think you can catch re-runs on the Sci-Fi channel. An appropriate channel I
believe since the host (what's his name again?) was so obviously practicing cold
reading rather then anything truly spiritual.
>
> Now that b
Sorry about that...didn't know it would come over that way...
http://netbible.bible.org/rom1.htm
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:55 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
most people that I know get
t: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:34 PM
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>
>
> There's some guy on TV doing it now. I forget the name. Something like
> "crossing
> over".
>
> > I totally agree...
> >
> > Although I've ne
most people that I know get their convictions about Gay marriage from Romans
1 (NT)
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness
and unrighteousness of people
39 who suppress the truth by their
40 unrighteousness,
41 1:19 because what can be
known about God is pla
d'.
And you all know how I just missionaries.
> Thanks Michael.
>
>
>
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> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:03 PM
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>
> scary doesn't
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From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:40 PM
To: CF-Community
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Its interesting to me how Christians quote the bible when they want to
promote their viewpoint, but don't follow it when it goes against what they
want.
for ins
e shall be executed. Deuteronomy 22:13.
Marriage of a believer and a nonbeliever shall be forbidden. Genesis 24:3.
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:20 PM
To: CF-Community
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Any time. There are simple t
There's some guy on TV doing it now. I forget the name. Something like "crossing
over".
There was someone on TV, but Crossing Over was canceled I believe. Although I think you can catch re-runs on the Sci-Fi channel. An appropriate channel I believe since the host (what's his name again?) was so
Oh.
He may not be "Christian"
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There's some guy on TV doing it now. I forget the name. Something like
"
There's some guy on TV doing it now. I forget the name. Something like "crossing
over".
> I totally agree...
>
> Although I've never seen Christian folk on tv talking to someone who speaks
> to the dead :)
>
> Yes, that it forbidden.
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etting rid of the building that is there
already.
>
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>
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:03 PM
> To: CF-Community
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>
> scary doesn't even begin to address this. Bottom line is that
ics saw it that way. But then again, they
probably
see it as a 'good deed'.
And you all know how I just missionaries.
> Thanks Michael.
>
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:03 PM
>
is there already.
>
> _
>
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:03 PM
> To: CF-Community
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>
> scary doesn't even begin to address this. Bottom line is that these are
>
D]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:40 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: The Jesus Landing Pad
> >
> >
> > At 02:35 PM 6/3/04, Monique wrote:
> > >scary?
> >
> > Yeah, Monique, I find it scary that our so-called leaders
> >
way. But then again, they probably
see it as a 'good deed'.
And you all know how I just missionaries.
> Thanks Michael.
>
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:03 PM
> To: CF-C
What is really scary is the extent of the laundry list of corruption that has
permeated this administration from the top down in just three short years. I
think it is going to take decades to undo all of it.
Packing the academy of science with ultra right wing conservatives.
In bed with the relig
Flaming pagan radical. Remind me to bring some marshmallows for roasting the
next time we meet up.
larry
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> From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:40 PM
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&g
protect the Mosque from being damaged as the theory goes you cannot build
the third temple without getting rid of the building that is there already.
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:03 PM
To: CF-Community
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Thanks Michael.
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To: CF-Community
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scary doesn't even begin to address this. Bottom line is that these are
fundamentalists who see an entire p
scary doesn't even begin to address this. Bottom line is that these are
fundamentalists who see an entire people as nothing more than pawns in their
'end of days' scenario. What the article isn't telling you (and might not know)
is that the Biblical end of days scenario involves certain wars, battl
WOW.
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> From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:50 PM
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>
> At 02:56 PM 6/3/04, Michael T. wrote:
> >No cat fighting!
>
> Bite me.
>
>
At 02:56 PM 6/3/04, Michael T. wrote:
>No cat fighting!
Bite me.
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> From: Monique Boea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:51 PM
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> down down now...
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Fr
down down now...
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:40 PM
To: CF-Community
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At 02:35 PM 6/3/04, Monique wrote:
>scary?
Yeah, Monique, I find it scary that our so-called leaders would consort
w
At 02:35 PM 6/3/04, Monique wrote:
>scary?
Yeah, Monique, I find it scary that our so-called leaders would consort
with radical fundamentalists to assure that our foreign policy would bring
about the apocalypse.
I'll let you know in advance that I'm a flaming pagan radical, and you
might want
scary?
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:50 AM
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Subject: The Jesus Landing Pad
Now this is scary stuff:
Bush White House checked with rapture Christians before latest Israel move
"It was an e-mail we weren't mean
There's been a lot of speculation on Bush and the rapture.
Run a google search. Lots of independants have voiced this for a long while.
Not many of the mainstream media (if any) have picked it up.
http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+rapture
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