> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> Your money analogy does not wash with me since it cannot be applied to
> this scenario. In the context of this conversation,
I think you're suspending reality on this one. A large American
presence in Iraq is impossible to continue for much longer for all
kinds of reasons tha
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63491&archive=true
"The battle occurred just after dawn at a temporary vehicle patrol base
near Wanat."
Larry Lyons wrote:
> Where did you get that tidbit of information, most of the information I found
> made no mention of that. What I fou
> They all do it.
Surely not!?!
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Your money analogy does not wash with me since it cannot be applied to
this scenario. In the context of this conversation, I say it is careless
to say we plan to surrender in X months. Obama says he wants to be as
careful coming out as we were careless going in, that means that when
the situati
McCain: "Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! 'Tis one
of the sacred relics Brother Maynard carries with him! Brother
Maynard! Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade!"
Obama: "Oh, it's just a harmless little bunny"
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> y
you apparently never saw Monty Python's Holy Grail
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Gruss wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> Q: Senator Obama, what is your strategic plan for Iraq?
>>
>> Obama: Run away! Run away some more!
>
> Implicit in "run away" is "from X" Since you can't even articulate
> the miss
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> But let's get back on track here. You say that he has a time line to
> pull out troops, but the article I just sent you mentions no specifics
> regarding when to pull out troops
Yes, your article doesn't mention it; but that doesn't mean it doesn't
exist - it does - and Obama
But let's get back on track here. You say that he has a time line to
pull out troops, but the article I just sent you mentions no specifics
regarding when to pull out troops, merely when the security situation
permits. McCain wants the same thing.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Obama submitted an opini
> RoMunn wrote:
> Q: Senator Obama, what is your strategic plan for Iraq?
>
> Obama: Run away! Run away some more!
Implicit in "run away" is "from X" Since you can't even articulate
the mission much less objectives, this is a lie of omission on your
part.
Take some time to sit down and clear ou
Q: Senator Obama, what is your strategic plan for Iraq?
Obama: Run away! Run away some more!
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Gruss wrote:
>> Sgt Sorge wrote:
>> I don't see anywhere here where he offers a time line.
>>
>
>
> Obama does has a mission and he does have a plan and that plan has
>
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> I don't see anywhere here where he offers a time line.
>
Obama submitted an opinion piece to the New York Times titled, "My
Plan for Iraq," where he detailed his goal of withdrawing U.S. troops
from Iraq in 16 months if he is elected.
Iraqi PM al-Maliki in response said, "US
Again the most recent interview I read by Obama is, and I quote:
Q: Can we talk about your Iraq policy for a moment? Particularly where
you talk about withdrawing one or two brigades every month soon after
you are elected as a process to get us down quickly. What will you do if
your military co
> RoMunn wrote:
> You can't expect Gruss to be honest on this one, he is part of the
> Obama campaign.
>
You can count on me to be honest, to the best of my knowledge, about
everything all of the time. Behold the wonder of Gruss.
As for the topic at hand, the question is the definition of "the
s
You can't expect Gruss to be honest on this one, he is part of the
Obama campaign.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Bruce wrote:
> Wrong. Both McCain AND Obama both want to withdraw troops as soon as the
> security situation permits. Unless they are both lying in recent
> interviews I just read,
Wrong. Both McCain AND Obama both want to withdraw troops as soon as the
security situation permits. Unless they are both lying in recent
interviews I just read, including the most recent one by Obama to the
Military Times.
Bruce
Gruss Gott wrote:
> FURTHER. The difference between Obama and M
> tBone wrote:
> Ok, we did huge amounts of damage to AQ in Afghanistan. They did move
> on to Iraq,
No. We did damage to them in Afghanistan and then created a nice cozy
bed for them to both recruit and operate out of Iraq by removing the
natural selection environment that had been in place. A
Where did you get that tidbit of information, most of the information I found
made no mention of that. What I found was typically like this one:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec08/afghanviolence_07-14.html
Still they were tasked to hold the base and withdrew after the attack. It
Ok, we did huge amounts of damage to AQ in Afghanistan. They did move
on to Iraq, and we hurt them there too, however; they did more damage to
themselves by getting involved in the sectarian violence and going after
other Muslims.
I agree that we need to get involved in Pakistan, however the i
Did you read what I wrote? It was a patrol base, an OP, a temporary
location, it wasn't abandoned, they left when they were supposed to.
Still sounds like reverse spin to me. The Herd (173rd Airborne) did an
excellent job that day, as they have throughout the duration of their
deployment.
La
> gg wrote:
> You're confusing the fog of battle with
I meant:
You're confusing the fog of a battle with the reasons for, and
management of, going to war.
And if you look at Iraq, we're not at war. This is so, because we're
simply there right now to provide security for the Iraqi population.
Th
Have you even been in the military?If you had then you know you can't
treat this like a software project or construction project. There is a
saying in the military, every battle plan is good until the first shots
are fired. Combat is not something you can apply this shit to. It is
dynamic, ever
I did say mostly successful.
And yes you did mention most of what happened, but you also neglected to
mention a very critical point, the base was abandoned the day after the attack.
Given that the Taliban's objective was to deny the base to government and US
forces, it would seem that they suc
> tBone wrote:
> changed, the surge worked,
I'll tell you what I'm looking for (and what any american should be
able to rattle off in 45 seconds)
(1.) A US troop deployment in Iraq is in the US's strategic interest
because [why it is]
(2.) Therefore the US troop mission is to [mission goes here]
Now let me understand this.
1 squad of Americans, 1 platoon of Afghanis in a temporary patrol base,
they get attacked by 200+ talibs suffering 9 dead and 15 wounded, hold
the OP, win the day, and we want to turn it in to a defeat.
Yeah, ok.
RIP Sky Soldiers, Airborne All The Way!!!
Larry Lyon
I've not answered this question because it's been answered 20 freaking
times.
You want quantifiable metrics and management bullshit that doesn't
pertain to combat operations, especially when you're conducting counter
insurgency operations.
We can go back through the history of the Iraq conflic
> Yeah but they are not as prevalent as they are in Iraq.
>
> Larry Lyons wrote:
> > You haven't been paying attention to what's been happening there
> lately, most of the casualties lately have been from suicide bombings
> and IED's.
Until recently the taliban and the drug lords have discovere
> RoMunn wrote:
> Sensing a pattern?
>
Yes.
(1.) You, who are not Obama, are telling us what Obama - currently a
candidate - would do as President.
(2.) You, an Iraq troop deployment supporter are perpetually unable to
provide even the mission of US troops deployed in Iraq despite their
having b
Obama would pull troops out within 16 months regardless of the
security situation. McCain and Maliki agree that pulling the troops
out is dependent on security conditions.
Obama, of course, opposed the surge and would have had us out of Iraq
already, which would have left 1/3 of the country in the
> RoMunn wrote:
> If only.
>
> "Iraqi PM disputes report on withdrawal plan"
>
"disputes" but doesn't clarify or change.
So what we know is that:
1.) Obama said negotiate with Iran, Bush said that was insanity, but
is not sending the a top official from the State department to not
negotiate.
2
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> whoa... soundws like someone had a good night ;)
Yeah - you should see the code I was writing. ;)
-Cameron
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If only.
"Iraqi PM disputes report on withdrawal plan"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/19/almaliki.obama/
"Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the possibility of troop
withdrawal was based on the continuance of security improvements,
echoing statements that the White House made Frida
whoa... soundws like someone had a good night ;)
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bush: Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told the German magazine
> > Der Spiegel that "h
> Cam wrote:
> [Quaid points a gun at Dr. Edgemar's head]
> Douglas Quaid: All right, let's say you're telling the truth and this
Claire: [ leans closer to Jason and Kristen to whisper: ] Wow! Danny's
really sweet. Is he single?
Kristen: Oh, uh.. h-he's s-single, all right.. but, uh, trust me, yo
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bush: Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told the German magazine
> Der Spiegel that "he supported prospective U.S. Democratic
> presidential candidate Barack Obama's
[...] blah blah blah [...]
[Quaid points a gun at Dr.
> Cam wrote:
> Obama: McCain's Iraq policy is just like Bush's
> McCain: No it's not!
> Obama: Yes it is!
> McCain: No it's not!
> Obama: Yes it is!
> McCain: No it's not!
> Obama: Yes it is!
Bush: Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told the German magazine
Der Spiegel that "he supported prosp
Thanks. The Army is my life. It took me a while to realize it, but once
I did and I came back in, I have been happier than I have been in a long
time. And now that I got out of maintenance and am in the Infantry, I am
even happier. I used to make fun of grunts until I became one, and now I
real
I might not agree on the politics, but I can't help but admire your
dedication and devotion.
- Original Message -
From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 21:34
Subject: Re: U.S. and Iraq Agree to Goals for
; -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:34 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: U.S. and Iraq Agree to Goals for Troop Cuts
>
> > Sgt Sorge wrote:
> > I understand and respect your POV
>
> Well I'
Iraq Agree to Goals for Troop Cuts
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> I understand and respect your POV
Well I'll tell ya this Sarge, there may come a day when there's a
conflict I do want to pay for and I'm grateful there are heroes like
you who show u
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> I understand and respect your POV
Well I'll tell ya this Sarge, there may come a day when there's a
conflict I do want to pay for and I'm grateful there are heroes like
you who show up when the call comes.
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I understand and respect your POV and you are right, my mind is made up,
as is yours and I am not going to try to change yours either. And FWIW,
McCain was not my first choice but he is all I have now so I will play
the cards dealt to me.
Bruce
>
> Of the candidates he's the only one with tha
> Sgt Sorge. wrote:
> And that would be who? Obama?
Of the candidates he's the only one with that track record.
I know there's way in hell I could ever convince you to change your
vote, so I'm not gonna try.
But I will point out this: he's a black dude named "barak hussein
obama" and he kicked
And that would be who? Obama?
>
> For God sakes, for once can we elect the smart fuckers who get the job
> done right BEFORE we find out what all of the wrong ways are?
>
>
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Yeah but they are not as prevalent as they are in Iraq.
Larry Lyons wrote:
> You haven't been paying attention to what's been happening there lately, most
> of the casualties lately have been from suicide bombings and IED's.
>
~~
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> Umm, Pitraeus did and he got promoted to CENTCOM Chief.
>
Well, sure, but that's after we all KNEW what the right decision was.
The Bush Method (patent pending, but not disputed) is:
Shitty judgment until you're proven empirically wrong (usually over a
course of years) and t
You haven't been paying attention to what's been happening there lately, most
of the casualties lately have been from suicide bombings and IED's.
>Man, would I ever like that. Send me to Afghanistan where the enemy
>actually shoots at you rather than trying to blow you up. I prefer an
>infantry
Umm, Pitraeus did and he got promoted to CENTCOM Chief.
Gruss Gott wrote:
> Wow, those "advisers" must want new jobs because we all know what
> happens to people who tell Bush he needs more troops
>
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Man, would I ever like that. Send me to Afghanistan where the enemy
actually shoots at you rather than trying to blow you up. I prefer an
infantryman's war anyway.
Robert Munn wrote:
> Bush doesn't listen to polls, remember? I think his advisers are
> telling him Afghanistan needs more troops, a
ah but do his advisers listen to polls, is the question :)
On 7/18/08, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bush doesn't listen to polls, remember? I think his advisers are
> telling him Afghanistan needs more troops, and the timing of the
> success in Iraq might just make it all possible- d
> RoMunn wrote:
> Bush doesn't listen to polls, remember? I think his advisers are
> telling him Afghanistan needs more troops
Wow, those "advisers" must want new jobs because we all know what
happens to people who tell Bush he needs more troops
~~
Bush doesn't listen to polls, remember? I think his advisers are
telling him Afghanistan needs more troops, and the timing of the
success in Iraq might just make it all possible- draw down in Iraq,
move the fight to Afghanistan.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Dana wrote:
> somebody did a poll :
somebody did a poll :) we'll see what happens.
On 7/18/08, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?ref=world
>
>
> Here is an excerpt:
>
> The United States and Iraq have agreed to set a "general time horizon"
> for the "further red
It would be great to take that argument down.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Obama: McCain's Iraq policy is just like Bush's
> McCain: No it's not!
> Obama: Yes it is!
> McCain: No it's not!
> Obama: Yes it is!
> McCain: No it's not!
> Obama: Yes it
Obama: McCain's Iraq policy is just like Bush's
McCain: No it's not!
Obama: Yes it is!
McCain: No it's not!
Obama: Yes it is!
McCain: No it's not!
Obama: Yes it is!
Bush:We are pulling out the troops.
McCain: Oh?
Obama: Rut Ro.
-Cameron
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PRO
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