Sorry but terrorism is here to stay. Home grown or imported. It's
here. You cannot stop terrorism. If they want to blow something up
they will. If they want to kill innocent people they will.
There are far too many ways to reek havoc and far too many targets to
protect. We are no
On 5/15/07, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I said never it got worse - I said that most terrorist attacks in America
throughout history were perpetrated by Americans. That's it.
You didn't actually say that.
You said: I'm saying what I've been saying: that the war Iraq has
left us less
: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:31 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
Sam wrote:
The Clinton admin constantly claimed they were a threat and even bombed
them.
It's the level of threat; they didn't justify invasion
It was Bush Sr's opinion that it would have ended like the situation we have
now. He was convinced that the alliance he had built would not support an
invasion of Baghdad. It would have fallen apart, leaving the US on it's
own...just like today.
I for one agree with him.
On 5/15/07, [EMAIL
gMoney wrote:
I for one agree with him.
Kinda hard not too, being that's exactly what happened, not to mention
that we abandoned many of the Iraqis we told to rise up.
The fact is, the US doesn't have the military capacity to fight a war
of occupation or the state capacity to nation build.
Please enlighten me to the philosophical aspects of the Fibonacci Sequence.
Gruss Gott wrote:
JimmyD wrote:
So we invaded to stop a madman from getting wealthy?
We've already determined that asking what the foreign is, is a
conversation killer. It's like asking Homer to talk
on the list of terrorist activities.
Jim Davis wrote:
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From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:02 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
I don't see many American terrorists. Are you talking about the
school
On 5/15/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
gMoney wrote:
I for one agree with him.
Kinda hard not too, being that's exactly what happened, not to mention
that we abandoned many of the Iraqis we told to rise up.
Actually it wasn't the objective. The approval for war was to free
The list makes no points either way.
I thought this thread was put down.
On 5/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A fact to note about the wikipedia list is what it does not include.
For instance the SLA was a terrorist organization in the 70's (kidnapped
Patty Hearst,
Sam wrote:
Actually it wasn't the objective. The approval for war was to free
Kuwait, once that goal was achieved we had no choice but to stop.
The approval for the Iraq war (and it was only to give the President
the power to go to war, not a vote for war) was to get the WMD. Since
there
Maybe you should actually read it rather then relying on the TMP numbered items
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html
On 5/15/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The approval for the Iraq war (and it was only to give the President
the power to go to war, not a
Sam wrote:
Maybe you should actually read it rather then relying on the TMP numbered
items
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html
As usual, no idea what you're talking about.
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That's what I don't get. How can somebody that has no idea about a
discussion he's in continue to make points?
Follow the LINK and READ the
Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces
Against Iraq
THAT you just referred to.
Better?
On 5/15/07, Gruss Gott
Sam wrote:
That's what I don't get. How can somebody that has no idea about a
discussion he's in continue to make points?
It says that the President has auth to go to war. Exactly what I
said. What's your point?
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You're being annoying again.
Maybe if I added numbers to each point you would understand what it says?
:)
On 5/15/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sam wrote:
That's what I don't get. How can somebody that has no idea about a
discussion he's in continue to make points?
It says
Sam wrote:
Maybe if I added numbers to each point you would understand what it says?
It would suffice if you simply and succinctly made your point. Feel
free to footnote if you like, but don't point me to links because I
won't read them. If you can't summarize it, then you probably don't
Yeah, that's it
On 5/15/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sam wrote:
Maybe if I added numbers to each point you would understand what it says?
It would suffice if you simply and succinctly made your point. Feel
free to footnote if you like, but don't point me to links because I
Sam wrote:
Yeah, that's it
Lost me again.
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ah -- that's why you once gave me the link to the entire 9/11 Report.
It all become much clearer now.
On 5/15/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, that's it
On 5/15/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sam wrote:
Maybe if I added numbers to each point you would understand what it
You can't be that simple, it's got to be a joke.
On 5/15/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ah -- that's why you once gave me the link to the entire 9/11 Report.
It all become much clearer now.
On 5/15/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, that's it
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From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:57 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
The list makes no points either way.
Feel free to provide a better one.
The list was only a sampling to show that there have been
On 5/15/07, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The list was only a sampling to show that there have been remarkably few
foreign terrorist attacks in America.
I thought you sent me fishing, I didn't realize you were serious.
Going back through that list up until 9/11 I came up with this:
Fort
why, whatever do you mean ;)
On 5/15/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can't be that simple, it's got to be a joke.
On 5/15/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ah -- that's why you once gave me the link to the entire 9/11 Report.
It all become much clearer now.
On 5/15/07, Sam [EMAIL
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From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:27 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
On 5/15/07, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The list was only a sampling to show that there have been remarkably
few
Jim Davis wrote:
Dude put the crack pipe down.
Spending on Iraq would still have occurred (nothing like this scale
of course) but at this point (assuming our original invasion never
occurred) it's very likely that we'd be militarily involved with Iraq on
some level(very possibly with many
On 5/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the 1990's the USA out spent the next 10 countries combined in
military spending. Let me break that down for you. We spent more than
China, Russia, France, United Kingdom, Japan, Germany, Italy, South
Korea and Saudi Arabia combined.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:33 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
Jim Davis wrote:
Dude put the crack pipe down.
Boy I LOVE arguing both sides of an argument. ;^)
Spending
Yes, and we have Bush to thank for this. You've heard the definition
of insanity right? Doing the same thing and expecting different
results?
you are sorely mistaken. The Baathists are no longer even the big worry in
Iraq. Al Qaeda and Iran are the main players now
--
And no one knows the
You are taking an optimistic view of things, when you have no reason in fact
to be optimistic. He had no love for Iran, but how can you believe that he
would not have aligned himself with Al Qaeda?
On 5/14/07, Dana wrote:
Yes, and we have Bush to thank for this. You've heard the definition
of
On 5/12/07, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The sad facts are that a) Iraq posed no actual threat to us,
The Clinton admin constantly claimed they were a threat and even bombed them.
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272613219.shtml
As Tenet told me over the phone Monday,
Sam wrote:
The Clinton admin constantly claimed they were a threat and even bombed them.
It's the level of threat; they didn't justify invasion and occupation.
We know Clinton agreed with this because he didn't invade Iraq. We
know Bush did invade Iraq (we'll never know why), and we know
If Clinton had pressed Iraq to provide documentation and pressed Iraq to
allow the inspectors in Bush wouldn't have had any excuse to invade.
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's the level of threat; they didn't justify invasion and occupation.
We know
Nick wrote:
If Clinton had pressed Iraq to provide documentation and pressed Iraq to
allow the inspectors in Bush wouldn't have had any excuse to invade.
That's tangential to the main point, but I don't agree. The
inspectors asked for 9 more months, and Bush implied that they were
idiots: He
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
Nick wrote:
If Clinton had pressed Iraq to provide documentation and pressed Iraq
to
allow the inspectors in Bush wouldn't have had any excuse to invade.
That's tangential to the main point, but I don't agree
http://www.retroactiveimpeachment.com/iraqthreat.html
On 5/14/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's tangential to the main point, but I don't agree. The
inspectors asked for 9 more months, and Bush implied that they were
idiots: He claimed that the Iraqis were moving the WMD so that
You are taking an optimistic view of things, when you have no reason in fact
to be optimistic. He had no love for Iran, but how can you believe that he
would not have aligned himself with Al Qaeda?
On 5/14/07, Dana wrote:
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Sam wrote:
http://www.retroactiveimpeachment.com/iraqthreat.html
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So their meetings could have been a way for Saddam to see how much of
a threat they were to him or for him to focus their condemnation on
common enemies like the US and its allies.
On 5/14/07, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because of his statements on the topic and Al Qaeda's statements
irresponsible ninnies.
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:31 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
Sam wrote:
The Clinton admin constantly claimed they were a threat and even bombed
them.
It's the level of threat
I don't like your tone. This thread is done
;)
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From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:59 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
You are taking an optimistic view of things, when you have no reason in
fact
to be optimistic. He had no love for Iran
well, because he was secular and they are fundamentalists. An
pro-choice lesbian who bikes to work to save the planet and spends her
summers working for Greenpeace *might* sign up for a project of Ralph
Reed's, but I personally consider that rather unlikely.
Dana
On 5/14/07, Robert Munn [EMAIL
Money, or Oil, or whatever you want to call it.
Iraq had Oil and could have provided real money and funding. If they
were able to get off of UN Sanctions think of the possibilities. If they
were able to develop real WMD and provide them to people that did not
like us, then think of what kind of
so we invavded over oil prices after all? I am having a Dr. Phil
moment here. Now, how's that working out for us?
On 5/14/07, Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Money, or Oil, or whatever you want to call it.
Iraq had Oil and could have provided real money and funding. If they
were able to
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From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:21 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
On 5/12/07, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The sad facts are that a) Iraq posed no actual threat to us,
The Clinton admin
-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
so we invavded over oil prices after all? I am having a Dr. Phil
moment here. Now, how's that working out for us?
On 5/14/07, Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED
tBone wrote:
I think we owe where we are today to the post 50's history we have of never
finishing any conflict we take part in.
Where we disagree is that, for Iraq, you think we can win or
finish as if there's some discrete objective that's preventing
victory and we just need to kill it.
On 5/14/07, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A threat to our allies perhaps, I'll grant you that. Not to us.
President Clinton explains Iraq strike:
Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United
States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East
and around
It usually happens when an alcoholic hits bottom.
That might be were Iraq is now with al Qaeda being the booze.
On 5/14/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Think of an alcoholic: You can give them money, support, love,
security, shelter, et al - and all of that won't do a thing until they
: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:59 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
You are taking an optimistic view of things, when you have no reason in
fact
to be optimistic. He had no love for Iran, but how can you believe that
he
would not have aligned himself with Al Qaeda
Bill Richardson looks like a genius? I don't know, what?
And I'm not only talking about prices, I'm talking about the overall
supply. What happens if the US if we can't even buy enough Oil
regardless of the price?
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RoMunn wrote:
As I have said all along, we invaded for several reasons
But you also have to look at the reasons NOT to do something and weigh
that against the benefits. CLEARLY, this administration didn't do
that.
The fact is that, no matter what the reasoning, it was appallingly
flawed. Now
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From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:34 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
On 5/14/07, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A threat to our allies perhaps, I'll grant you that. Not to us.
Note also
JimmyD wrote:
So we invaded to stop a madman from getting wealthy?
We've already determined that asking what the foreign is, is a
conversation killer. It's like asking Homer to talk philosophically
about the Fibonacci Sequence.
On 5/14/07, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Check Syria?
Okay.
Done. Hate the food, no good TV and no WMDs.
You're good. Quick too.
So we invaded to stop a madman from getting wealthy?
Which argument are we on? Defense, humanitarian or social change?
Cute, but you said
Ok Homie I give, what's the foreign?
On 5/14/07, Gruss Gott
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JimmyD wrote:
So we invaded to stop a madman from getting wealthy?
We've already determined that asking what the foreign is, is a
conversation killer. It's like asking Homer to talk philosophically
Sam wrote:
Ok Homie I give, what's the foreign?
oops - foreign policy
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From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:02 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
I don't see many American terrorists. Are you talking about the
school
shooting?
The second largest terrorist attack
this thread has gone on too long. I'm starting a new one.
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On 5/12/07, Jim wrote:
Bringing up these attacks only serves to remind us that we've failed to
destroy an enemy (al-Qaeda) that has attacked us (as you note, multiple
times)
Personally I don't think we're going to destroy Al Qaeda anytime soon.
Contain them, yes, but destory them? It's very
-Original Message-
From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:08 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
On 5/12/07, Jim wrote:
Bringing up these attacks only serves to remind us that we've failed
to
destroy an enemy (al
imho there was a good deal of arrogance and ignorance involved in even
attempting it. It is useful however to remember that this is in many ways a
zero sum game. Didn't they cut financial aid for students last year? Just for
example.
Great answer though.
Hell, if we can't even bury a road
The chances of that happening actually increased with the war in Iraq.
So you spent 456 billion making that scenario that much more possible.
brilliant.
Fact is the world was safer with Saddam contained in Iraq.
On 5/11/07, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Happy to oblige. $450 billion could
But how much of this money still went back into the US Economy in some
way.
And how much of that money wasn't even used in the war and included pork
barrel spending.
I mean look at the last Iraq funding bill. It included a minimum wage
hike and a couple other things.
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How does one quantify that?
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From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 7:07 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
The chances of that happening actually increased with the war in Iraq.
So you spent 456 billion
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From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 8:32 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: What could $456 billion buy.
How does one quantify that?
I don't think we're able to quantify either position: either that we're
safer or that we're
RoMunn wrote:
Happy to oblige. $450 billion could probably buy you an evacuation of
Manhattan if even a small nuclear device were detonated on the island.
Or better, the men and intelligence needed to snap up all of the
enriched uranium on the market, the scientists to create the weapons
and
What could 456,000,000,000 buy?
912,000 chicks at the same time.
On 5/12/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RoMunn wrote:
Happy to oblige. $450 billion could probably buy you an evacuation of
Manhattan if even a small nuclear device were detonated on the island.
Or better, the men
Greg wrote:
What could 456,000,000,000 buy?
912,000 chicks at the same time.
Hef has 456B?
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I was using the math from Office Space, if the dude can do two chicks
at one time with a million, he should be able to do 912,000 with 456 B
On 5/12/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greg wrote:
What could 456,000,000,000 buy?
912,000 chicks at the same time.
Hef has 456B?
Even before of 9/11 - the odds of an attack on NYC were 100% - since
it had already happened once before. I guess now they are 100
percent-ier?
-Cameron
On 5/12/07, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The chances of that happening actually increased with the war in Iraq.
So you spent 456 billion
Oh really? I was under the impression there had already been two major
terrorist attacks in Manhattan- 1993 and 2001. I must be mistaken.
On 5/12/07, Vivec wrote:
The chances of that happening actually increased with the war in Iraq.
So you spent 456 billion making that scenario that much
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From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:36 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
Oh really? I was under the impression there had already been two major
terrorist attacks in Manhattan- 1993 and 2001. I
I'd really like to see Sam or Robert answer this.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/gallery/050207_TheCostofWar/
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Happy to oblige. $450 billion could probably buy you an evacuation of
Manhattan if even a small nuclear device were detonated on the island.
On 5/11/07, Dana wrote:
I'd really like to see Sam or Robert answer this.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/gallery/050207_TheCostofWar/
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From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:37 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: What could $456 billion buy.
I'd really like to see Sam or Robert answer this.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/gallery/050207_TheCostofWar/
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