I'm thinking of that fake idiot line, repeating the same thing and
expect different results...
That applies to me for thinking one day you'll actually be able to
debate a point of view rather than have a childish tantrum.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> I get that if Bus
> Sam wrote:
> They say the same thing.
>
I get that if Bush had machine gunned everybody in the room you'd have
an excuse for that too. Cause you're Sammy Excuse and that's what you
do.
But what I was hoping to accomplish by responding to you is how much
you're going to have to tighten up your
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Sam wrote:
>> The August 6, 2001 Pdb Item Entitled "bin Ladin Determined to Strike
>> in US" was prepared in response to questions asked by the President
>> about the possibility of attacks by al-Qaida inside the United States.
>
> WRONG! P
> Sam wrote:
> The August 6, 2001 Pdb Item Entitled "bin Ladin Determined to Strike
> in US" was prepared in response to questions asked by the President
> about the possibility of attacks by al-Qaida inside the United States.
WRONG! Poor Sammy, always factually bankrupt. 9/11 Commission:
"Dur
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Sam wrote:
>> Tenet was giving Bush briefings every day in person while on vacation.
>
> that's odd ... because Tenet was on vacation too. Said so in sworn
> congressional testimony. Also said he didn't know what the status of
> the PDB t
> gMoney wrote:
> We can squeeze this in between 1 and 2we can call it "1A"...or we can
> just call it the "Gruss Gott" level.
>
You left out "justifiably panic" and "are vindicated for their supreme
almost god-like foresight"
But I also left out:
6.) Naysayers who poo-poo trends with empir
> Sam wrote:
> Tenet was giving Bush briefings every day in person while on vacation.
that's odd ... because Tenet was on vacation too. Said so in sworn
congressional testimony. Also said he didn't know what the status of
the PDB titled "Bin Laden Determined To Attack In The US" was.
> That br
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> * Like the fact that he'd just returned from a month long vacation.
>
> * Like the fact that according to George Tenet the CIA was "running
> around with their hair on fire all summer" about Bin Laden but Bush
> never requested information on
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> 1.) Panicers. They're the noisy ones who define the worst case
> scenario, but don't offer any solutions.
>
> 2.) Zombies. They just kind of stare but can be directed.
>
> 3.) Icicles. They seem frozen, but if you look close there's
> move
> RoMunn wrote:
>
> aw, Sam, you are no fun, going and exploding Gruss' vision of the world with
> a dose of actual history...
>
If by "history" you mean something Sam likes I'm sure it's spot on!
You know his record for unvarnished facts.
I mean it's not like this whole incident was on video ..
Bwahahaha.you rule, Chuck!
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Charlie Griefer wrote:
> Come with me, to an alternate reality where Obama is the President on 9/11
>
> Everyone else: He should have acted sooner. He was like a deer in the
> headlights.
>
> Gruss: Dude... he was contemplating.
It's not a fact unless Jon Stewart said it, according to GG.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> aw, Sam, you are no fun, going and exploding Gruss' vision of the world with
> a dose of actual history...
>
aw, Sam, you are no fun, going and exploding Gruss' vision of the world with
a dose of actual history...
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Sam wrote:
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=iY72yUnu_NgC&dq=From+Inside+the+Bush+White+House+by+Bill+Sammon&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=7TRf6ykR
http://books.google.com/books?id=iY72yUnu_NgC&dq=From+Inside+the+Bush+White+House+by+Bill+Sammon&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=7TRf6ykREq&sig=blTnGzYP1ChFmJWwqIv8lTArSJc&hl=en&ei=vw_JSYeKO5K2sAPhsbV2&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA83,M1
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> The Griefer wrote:
> Gruss: Dude... he was contemplating. A good leader knows that you don't
> rush into action. You plan. You consider your place on the battlefield and
> what your viable options are. You don't panic. You try to keep your people
> calm in the face of horror.
By staring at
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> > JJ wrote:
> >
> > Well, I truly cannot fault anyone for that.
> >
>
> Ha, I can. He's the President, has no idea what threat the country
> was facing, took 18 minutes before he did anything and when he did it
> was a conf call, still woul
> JJ wrote:
>
> Well, I truly cannot fault anyone for that.
>
Ha, I can. He's the President, has no idea what threat the country
was facing, took 18 minutes before he did anything and when he did it
was a conf call, still wouldn't make a decision about what to do, and
refused to leave the school
Well, I truly cannot fault anyone for that.
1. It was stunning.
2. I can only hope that he spent those 7 minutes not stunned, but thinking
"who do I need to talk to, how do I handle this", getting his head
straightened out around the 1000 briefings he had received about what to do
in just such a
> Justin Scott wrote:
> government internship thing (I live in Sarasota). She said that once they
> realized what was going on, the entire group about ran out of there back to
> their motorcade and sped off to the airport.
Well, it just took Bush a long time to do anything. The timeline was:
>>
>> (Calling out, in transit. Radio Free Europe)
>>
>
>Big props for sneaking in the REM..
>
>--
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> > Bush was in his car on the way to Booker Elementary School
> > when the first plane hit the World Trade Center
>
> I thought he was reading to the kids when it hit. From what I
> remember in seeing the videos involved after being given the
> news he sat stunned for about a minute, l
> Grant wrote:
>
> And you wonder why you're a target.
>
Like Canada?
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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> (Calling out, in transit. Radio Free Europe)
>
Big props for sneaking in the REM..
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I think this is correct. He was in the school when he was notified it was
an attack. I am not so sure he was there when the planes actaully hit.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> No, that blank stare was when he was notified it was a terrorist attack.
>
> That came afte
No, that blank stare was when he was notified it was a terrorist attack.
That came after the second plane hit, but before the Pentagon (I believe)
Not sure, but he could have still been in transit when the first plane hit.
(Calling out, in transit. Radio Free Europe)
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10
> Bush was in his car on the way to Booker Elementary School when the
> first plane hit the World Trade Center
I thought he was reading to the kids when it hit. From what I remember in
seeing the videos involved after being given the news he sat stunned for about
a minute, looking like
We've always made fun of Canadanot because there's anything wrong with
Canada. On the contrary, it's a beautiful country with (mostly) friendly
people. Americans just like to think they are better. That's all. The
international perception that Americans think they are better than everyone
else
"I had made a point no insults etc., but your sort seems to revel in
attacking the person, not the ideas. That's intellectually deficient (sorry
more words with more than one syll-able)."
The irony. In one paragraph, you accuse Scott of being the sort who revel
in attacking people instead of ide
And you wonder why you're a target.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> > Stroz wrote:
> >
> > It only recently became 'en-vogue' to mock Canada? What planet are you
> > living on?
> >
>
> Yeah, holy crap. I learned to mock Canada from my grandpa and I'm not
> kidding.
>
>
> Stroz wrote:
>
> It only recently became 'en-vogue' to mock Canada? What planet are you
> living on?
>
Yeah, holy crap. I learned to mock Canada from my grandpa and I'm not kidding.
The whole reason I know the largest Air Force base in Canada is in
Banff is from some old joke I learned as a y
as in "he was the president'
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> I meant metaphorically, sorry I didn't clarify that.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Andrew Gr wrote:
>
>>
>> Bush was in his car on the way to Booker Elementary School when the first
>> plane hit the Worl
I meant metaphorically, sorry I didn't clarify that.
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Andrew Gr wrote:
>
> Bush was in his car on the way to Booker Elementary School when the first
> plane hit the World Trade Center
>
It only recently became 'en-vogue' to mock Canada? What planet are you
living on?
By the way, thanx for helping me prove my point ;)
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> >
> > I can spell...its typing I have issues with. Poking fun at my typing is
> > about as difficult as
Bush was in his car on the way to Booker Elementary School when the first plane
hit the World Trade Center
>No comparison? I agree. Bush was sitting in the White House during the first
>mass attack on U.S. soil by a foreign enemy since Pearl Harbor. We had no
>idea if another attack was
Oh, no. We have been making fun of Canada for years. Second City showed us
the way.
If it weren't for the music of Rush, and the belly button of Shania, and the
fact that your mounted police are REALLY cool, we would remember more often
that you would RATHER be French than English.
On Mon, Mar
>
> I can spell...its typing I have issues with. Poking fun at my typing is
> about as difficult as poking fun of you being from Canada.
So being respected the world over as a nation of principles and world leader
in diplomacy is laughable? Scott I appreciate the fact you get "yer learnin"
from
ROTFL!!!
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> This list has gone to shit and it's always the liberals taking the dump on
> it.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> > Wow, dude, it's like conservative blogs have shoved their collective
> > arm up your arse and
oh, gee, you hurt my feelings. boo hoo. waah.
i want a bailout. for my feelings.
lol
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Gruss Go wrote:
>
>
>
> Wow, dude, it's like conservative blogs have shoved their collective
> arm up your arse and are moving your lips (well fingers).
>
~~~
This list has gone to shit and it's always the liberals taking the dump on it.
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Wow, dude, it's like conservative blogs have shoved their collective
> arm up your arse and are moving your lips (well fingers).
>
~~
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
>
> At least learn to spell properly.
I can spell...its typing I have issues with. Poking fun at my typing is
about as difficult as poking fun of you being from Canada.
>
>
> So should I use tiny words so that someone of your self-admitted
> RoMunn wrote:
> OK, I'll back off my "dismantling" language a bit. I agree we need some form
> of safety net, but that is not what we have today. We have a system that
> pays retirees to play golf in swanky places like Palm Springs on the
> government dime, and takes care of their medical bills
>And yet, when someone thinks you are being an ass and says so, you attempt
>to belittle them with those big words you learned from your 'Word a Day'
>toilet paper.
>
>Once again, the hyporcisy which oozes from your posts is almost too
>incredulous to be believed.
>
At least learn to spell proper
Looks like it might be too late already:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7851925a-17a2-11de-8c9d-779fd2ac.html
Chinas central bank on Monday proposed replacing the US dollar as the
international reserve currency with a new global system controlled by the
International Monetary Fund.
In an
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Gruss wrote:
>
> > RoMunn wrote:
> > I supported the TARP because of the
> > risk of systemic collapse
> > As for anti-trust, again, that is not a matter of my own personal need
> but a
> > general rule that the state can not allow individual private entities to
OK, I'll back off my "dismantling" language a bit. I agree we need some form
of safety net, but that is not what we have today. We have a system that
pays retirees to play golf in swanky places like Palm Springs on the
government dime, and takes care of their medical bills to boot. It isn't
sustai
I agree 100%. We give money to some charities, and my wife has, over the
last ten years, donated a huge amount of her own time and energy to
charitable work.
As a software developer, I regard my most useful contribution to the public
good to be spending my time helping push forward open source so
And yet, when someone thinks you are being an ass and says so, you attempt
to belittle them with those big words you learned from your 'Word a Day'
toilet paper.
Once again, the hyporcisy which oozes from your posts is almost too
incredulous to be believed.
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Larry
I think the welfare (and other gov't assistance) system needs to be revamped
rather than abolished. It is far too easy to 1) take advantage of the
system and b) remain on welfare for multiple generations (which I guess
could be viewed as taking advantage of the system).
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 1
If the problems of charity were solved by private work, there would be no
incentive for the government to get involved.
For those who rail against a "socialist state", get off your butt, and help
your neighbor, so the government doesn't feel the need.
(This is also my feeling about abortions. If
"A question for you, did it take a lot of hard work and long years of
effort, or was it just natural talent for you to be such an ass. Inquiring
minds would like to know."
Both. It took years of practice to hone my natural talent. Now you know.
You still missed the point by the way. If bankru
> RoMunn wrote:
> I supported the TARP because of the
> risk of systemic collapse
> As for anti-trust, again, that is not a matter of my own personal need but a
> general rule that the state can not allow individual private entities to
> have power over it.
De-personalize and think policy: in bot
I'm not going to post the video links, everyone knows where to find them.
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/shattered/
http://zombietime.com/wtc_9-13-2001/
You think this is a joke? We've had terrorist attacks in the US before. At
the WTC, in fact. Oklahoma City. The Unabomber.
This was not
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Gruss G wrote:
>
> > RoMunn wrote:
> > Once again Bizarro-Gruss rears his head. Please quote me or retract your
> > lie.
> >
>
> "I agree with the bank bailout", "Gutting anti-trust was a mistake"
>
In which part of these quotes did you interpret my meaning to
A war on your own soil? Did troops land? Were there naval strikes?
A war on your own soil? Isn't that a bit melodramatic?
Terrorist attacks have been happening for decades around the world, just
never in America.
America was the victim of a horrific terrorist attack, perhaps one that had
the lar
No comparison? I agree. Bush was sitting in the White House during the first
mass attack on U.S. soil by a foreign enemy since Pearl Harbor. We had no
idea if another attack was imminent, no idea if the enemy would attempt even
larger attacks using chemical, biological, or radiological weapons.
I
> RoMunn wrote:
> Once again Bizarro-Gruss rears his head. Please quote me or retract your
> lie.
>
"I agree with the bank bailout", "Gutting anti-trust was a mistake"
See, what you don't understand is that economic "freedom" = Laissez
Faire; in other words, no regulation. That's libertarianism
You're comparing the situation that Obama is in now, with the situation Bush
was in during his Presidency?
There is no comparison.
So saying that Obama spent more now than Bush did is disingenuous.
2009/3/23 Robert Munn
>
> Less than Obama has spent in the first two months of his administratio
Less than Obama has spent in the first two months of his administration.
That should tell you something right there.
In all seriousness, the money that was spent by the general fund over the
last 70+ years is gone, pining for it to be returned is not productive. What
we need to do is figure out w
You might want to believe that, but it simply isn't true. Moreoever, it is
irrelevant to the current question - are we going to let the country go
bankrupt? Because that is where we are headed, and all the hysterics and and
wringing about the people who will be left behind isn't going to change
th
>On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:48 AM, William Bowen wrote:
>
>
>This is Larry's M.O. He'll call someone an ass, and then when they respond
>in kind, he'll belittle them for resorting to name calling.
>
Except for one thing. I did not start this. I did not start with the following
"Let's hold hands
Once again Bizarro-Gruss rears his head. Please quote me or retract your
lie.
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Gruss wrote:
>
>
> So this explains why Robert preaches economic freedom until a crisis
> and then whines for the government to save him.
>
~
hee hee hee :)
Larry...you need to take some deep breaths and re-read what I wrote.
What I was saying is that people that were only interested in money, and not
in the community. The same people who see the welfare system (as bad as it
is) in America as something that should be abolished, these ar
> Larry wrote:
> Really? I thought that the present crisis was created by those who strongly
> advocated getting rid of Social Security, or at the very least moving it
> towards a privatized basis
Here's what I call The Conservative Lie. (it's a lie to themselves)
You've got your libertarian
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:49 AM, G Money wrote:
Trying to see if he reached asshood along a different path than you, eh?
>
> Incidentally...it came naturally for me :)
Hey! Me too!
I'm still perfecting it though. I have some areas to work on.
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On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> A question for you, did it take a lot of hard work and long years of
> effort, or was it just natural talent for you to be such an ass. Inquiring
> minds would like to know.
Trying to see if he reached asshood along a different path than
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:48 AM, William Bowen wrote:
>
> >>Let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
> >
> > A question for you, did it take a lot of hard work and long years of
> effort, or was it just natural talent for you to be such an ass. Inquiring
> minds would like to know.
>
> Dude!
>
> Dial i
>>Let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
>
> A question for you, did it take a lot of hard work and long years of effort,
> or was it just natural talent for you to be such an ass. Inquiring minds
> would like to know.
Dude!
Dial it down.
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"If my life weren't funny, it would just be tru
>"The point is that we are not just individuals but live in a community. Part
>of the price is help taking care of those who are in need of help. At least
>that's the idea and its generally agreed upon, except usually by those who
>are so wrapped up in themselves that they cannot see beyond their
>And these people in America are, ironically and sadly, a big part of the
>reason why the entire world is facing the crisis it is.
>
Really? I thought that the present crisis was created by those who strongly
advocated getting rid of Social Security, or at the very least moving it
towards a pri
"The point is that we are not just individuals but live in a community. Part
of the price is help taking care of those who are in need of help. At least
that's the idea and its generally agreed upon, except usually by those who
are so wrapped up in themselves that they cannot see beyond their nose
> RoMunn wrote:
> How ironic that a nominally Communist leader needs to remind President Obama
> about our shared economic interests.
>
What's ironic is that you've spent the last decade supporting the
policies of a guy who's brought the country to the brink of collapse
and now you're whining abo
And these people in America are, ironically and sadly, a big part of the
reason why the entire world is facing the crisis it is.
2009/3/23 Larry Lyons
>
> The point is that we are not just individuals but live in a community. Part
> of the price is help taking care of those who are in need of h
>Indeed.
>
>The only way to save the country from budgetary collapse is to dismantle the
>welfare state that FDR created. Instead, President Obama is trying to extend
>that welfare state to cover all sorts of new things that we will never be
>able to afford.
So who dies? I know of one case where
I don't know whether it is intentional or not, but I'll assume you don't
understand:"lowering benefits" with regard to healthcare, food, and housing
involves people's lives.
So the question again, phrased in a different way, is with your grand
schemes of abolishing this 'welfare state' as you cal
Social Security would be self-supporting if the general fund would
repay what has been borrowed. How much are we paying for Bush's wars?
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> Social Security costs $700 billion this year. Medicare & Medicaid cost
> another $700 billion.
~~
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> So what's your answer?Kill 30% of the population in the US?
>
Nice. Who knew you were a totalitarian dictator in the making?
There are lots of possible remedies, but everything involves lowering
benefits. The money isn't there to continue to pa
So what's your answer?Kill 30% of the population in the US?
2009/3/22 Robert Munn
>
> Social Security costs $700 billion this year. Medicare & Medicaid cost
> another $700 billion. Those numbers are going to go straight through the
> roof over the next two decades, and everyone understands that
Social Security costs $700 billion this year. Medicare & Medicaid cost
another $700 billion. Those numbers are going to go straight through the
roof over the next two decades, and everyone understands that those numbers
are totally unsustainable. Democrats are essentially mortgaging our
grandchild
America has one of the worst support systems of any developed country.
What is this welfare state of which you speak?
2009/3/22 Robert Munn
>
> Indeed.
>
> The only way to save the country from budgetary collapse is to dismantle
> the
> welfare state that FDR created. Instead, President Obama is
Indeed.
The only way to save the country from budgetary collapse is to dismantle the
welfare state that FDR created. Instead, President Obama is trying to extend
that welfare state to cover all sorts of new things that we will never be
able to afford.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Vivec
What would save it?
2009/3/22 Robert Munn
>
> The guy who almost became Obama's Commerce Secretary says the budget will
> destroy the country:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090322/ap_on_go_co/gregg_budget
>
>
>
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