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What's that like 15 million people looking for a job? That makes it very competitive. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Maureen wrote: > > 10% unemployment means 90% are working, which is a pretty strong > argument against the idea that  "it is impossible for almost anyone to > find a job". > > O

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That has no correlation to those that are out of work's ability to find jobs. Just because 90% are employed doesn't mean that there are jobs for the other 10% Eric On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If they haven't lost their jobs then they are working so what are you > disag

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If they haven't lost their jobs then they are working so what are you disagreeing with? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I would have to disagree with that...that just means that they haven't lost > thier jobs ;-) > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Maureen wrote: > >>

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"Your situation may differ, but the Federal Government helped me get out of poverty." Depends on what you mean by help. * No welfare. * No food stamps. * No free lunch. * Elementary and secondary public education that someones taxes paid for (we didn't have to pay any taxes except sales taxes.

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I would have to disagree with that...that just means that they haven't lost thier jobs ;-) On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Maureen wrote: > > 10% unemployment means 90% are working, which is a pretty strong > argument against the idea that "it is impossible for almost anyone to > find a job".

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I think that is the key Judah...people fall into the thought process of "I am a victim" and end up in an eternal loop of poverty that they can't get out of because they have glued themselves to it. Eric On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Your situation may differ, but th

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10% unemployment means 90% are working, which is a pretty strong argument against the idea that "it is impossible for almost anyone to find a job". On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:33 AM, morgan l wrote: > As to your unsupported statistics, I'd say with 10% unemployment it's > practically impossible f

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That's how it's supposed to work, help you through the rough spots, not sustain you as a dependent. Stolen from JB: You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Abraham Lincoln On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Your si

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Your situation may differ, but the Federal Government helped me get out of poverty. As we've discussed, I grew up poor and in not terribly great conditions at times. We were able to make it through some of the very lean times due to welfare, food stamps, direct food assistance (oh, how I remember

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"Generally, they believe it because they have lived it. " "When it's all you know, what can you do? " "And if you can actually answer that, well, you're 20years late to help me, but maybe it can help get my daughter out of this cycle." Yes, they have lived it, over and over and over again. And i

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On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Ah, right, the poor are stupid." > > I never said that. Being duped has nothing to do with intelligence. Look > at all of the middle class people who voted for Obama. > ***and look at how many people voted for Bush...twice... > > > >

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I would say that gullible is a better word...I think that effects the midle class too...the upper class folks seem to be in the drivers seat these days and they are theones doing the duping. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Jerry Barnes

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Hey man, theoretically *we* control the government. Choice is in our > power, if we care to exercise that power." > > Theoretically. And, the citizen never give congress positive approval > ratings, yet for some reason, 90% of incumben

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What I find scary is the democrats are always focusing on the young, the homeless and the felons with get out the vote. People that generally don't follow politics. I think the more that can vote the better but if you're series about politics why target the politically ignorant. Unless... On Wed

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On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM, morgan l wrote: > > Yes, I truly believe that. 100%. I lived it for over 15 years. 15+ years of > the only raises I got were the increases in minimum wage. And minimum wage > is hardly a comfortable level of poor; that's something someone will say who > has never

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On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I daresay they vote for the ideology that will affect them most > immediately." > > I would say that they "believe" will help them most immediately. Generally, they believe it because they have lived it. When it's all you know, what can

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Yes, I truly believe that. 100%. I lived it for over 15 years. 15+ years of the only raises I got were the increases in minimum wage. And minimum wage is hardly a comfortable level of poor; that's something someone will say who has never had to support themselves on a min wage job. 70 hours a week

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"I daresay they vote for the ideology that will affect them most immediately." I would say that they "believe" will help them most immediately. "Long-term it may not be the best for anyone, but the poor--the truly poor--need that immediate help." They may need the immediate help, but is there

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So where are you getting those facts - the Briebart school of media veracity? or is it another matter of creative editing on your part? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:00 AM, morgan l wrote: >> >> and Reps want them to stay poor so a low-wage class rema

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On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:00 AM, morgan l wrote: > > and Reps want them to stay poor so a low-wage class remains available for > cheap > labor. Both sides are looking to protect their wealth. Is that really what you think? Did you notice since min wage went up it's nearly impossible for high s

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > How so? At the polls? The poor don't even vote. When they do, it > straight ticket for the ideology they have been duped into believe will > serve them best. I daresay they vote for the ideology that will affect them most immediatel

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Of course it crashed. It's CF. *It's funny cuz it's true* On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > And on the deficit issue, it looks like the CBO has started a fire storm. > > I just saw this on Drudge: *CBO BOMB: 'Deficits will cause debt to rise to > unsupportable levels'..

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"Ah, right, the poor are stupid." I never said that. Being duped has nothing to do with intelligence. Look at all of the middle class people who voted for Obama. And as stated before, I grew up dirt poor, but that might not actually help my argument, so we'll use you. You said you grew up poo

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ving people who want to adopt a child should be able to do so. > > -Original Message- > From: morgan l [mailto:greyk...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:04 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see > > > They lost me after I c

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. Adoptions by gay parents - Any loving people who want to adopt a child should be able to do so. -Original Message- From: morgan l [mailto:greyk...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:04 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see They lost me after I checked

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Yes, but the government makes it so even little, 'poor' people can affect > great change." > > How so?  At the polls?   The poor don't even vote.  When they do, it > straight ticket for the ideology they have been duped into believe will >

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"Those headlines Jerry posted were a lot scarier than the actual article was. Guess fear sells though, no?" Hell yeah it sells. Drudge isn't going to generate traffic and crash a server with "CBO Releases New Blog Entry". Lindsay Lohansells too. Maybe he should have included her opinion. ~~~

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"Hey man, theoretically *we* control the government. Choice is in our power, if we care to exercise that power." Theoretically. And, the citizen never give congress positive approval ratings, yet for some reason, 90% of incumbents win reelections. Go figure. "I remember a lot of folk saying

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > I got the page before it crashed, here is the blog post from the CBO director: > > Federal Debt and the Risk of a Financial Crisis ... Those headlines Jerry posted were a lot scarier than the actual article was. Guess fear sells though, no?

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"I got the page before it crashed, here is the blog post from the CBO director:" Thanks. J - “Now, Congress will have to pay for what it spends, just like everybody else. After a decade of profligacy, the American people are tired of politicians who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when

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I got the page before it crashed, here is the blog post from the CBO director: Federal Debt and the Risk of a Financial Crisis In fiscal crises in a number of countries around the world, investors have lost confidence in governments’ abilities to manage their budgets, and those governments have

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And on the deficit issue, it looks like the CBO has started a fire storm. I just saw this on Drudge: *CBO BOMB: 'Deficits will cause debt to rise to unsupportable levels'... I clicked the link and nothing appears. So, going back to Drudge, I see that

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Yeah, and we could do stuff like not give to a charity if they help gay > people!" > > If you so chose.  Likewise, gay people could choose to not help breeders. Hey man, theoretically *we* control the government. Choice is in our power, i

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They lost me after I checked 2 issues: 1) They're wishy-washy about separation of Church and State 2) They want to leave homosexual rights up to the masses to decide. Sorry folks, "all men are created equal" does not mean all men that are like you. And no, you don't get to choose who gets what ri

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I had an intersting convo with the head of the IL Whig party the other day...I can agree with a lot of it, though I thought it was a bit too libertarian for my tastes. Eric On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Try this one Sam, > http://www.modernwhig.org/ > > the ACP merge

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"Personally I think we need an independent moderate President. Sadly those are two traits we'll never see in a president." You want to see bipartisan politics, let someone rise up who might take power from the Democrats and Republicans. They will unite quickly to stop that threat. "I trust th

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"Yeah, and we could do stuff like not give to a charity if they help gay people!" If you so chose. Likewise, gay people could choose to not help breeders. "But The Marxist didn't help, eh? That was when debt became 'bad'." Debt has always been bad. On a personal level and on a federal level

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I think you can argue that food and shelter are covered under the preamble, specifically the phrase "promote the general Welfare" I don't think that unless you're very twisted, starving bodies in the streets don't exactly promote the general welfare. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Robert Mun

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erate President. Sadly those are two traits we'll never see in a president. From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Mon 7/26/2010 2:12 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Scott Stew

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Governing is an imperfect (to say the least) attempt > to strike a balance and safeguard and ensure the free exercise of > basic rights. I believe that basic health care plays an important and, > in our country, under-recognized role in tha

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:06 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> In other words, I've got mine so screw you. >> >> Classic conservative argument, dress up greed and self-centered >> behavior as virtuous and moral. >> > > In other words, you've got

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I pay taxes as a form of charity.  I probably could have figured some way > around that.  I doubt I'll ever die, ether." > > Well, if it makes you feel better, that's a good way to look at it. > I like to feel like I have a choice, one way

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> > On the other hand, I believe that a basic, adequate, health >> care system should be considered a fundamental right in our country >> because it is required for "life, liberty and

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Nice. > > I would change it to "dress up self-sufficiency and self-reliance", but > still it wasn't bad. Maybe use self-determination instead of > self-reliance, but the the gist is still there. > The point is the samedon't buy the

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"Classic liberal argument, dress up greed and self-centered behavior as virtuous and moral." Nice. I would change it to "dress up self-sufficiency and self-reliance", but still it wasn't bad. Maybe use self-determination instead of self-reliance, but the the gist is still there. J - I am

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > In other words, I've got mine so screw you. > > Classic conservative argument, dress up greed and self-centered > behavior as virtuous and moral. > In other words, you've got more than me, so GIMME SOME! Classic liberal argument, dress

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In other words, I've got mine so screw you. Classic conservative argument, dress up greed and self-centered behavior as virtuous and moral. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I pay taxes as a form of charity.  I probably could have figured some way > around that.  I doubt

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"I pay taxes as a form of charity. I probably could have figured some way around that. I doubt I'll ever die, ether." Well, if it makes you feel better, that's a good way to look at it. "With the government-- it tries so hard to be fair, it's unfair." Amen. "Charity" ain't like that. You

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: ... > Also, remove the onerous levels of taxation and charity would go up. > I pay taxes as a form of charity. I probably could have figured some way around that. I doubt I'll ever die, ether. With the government-- it tries so hard to be fa

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > >> The basic problem with that argument is that health care is a service >> that must be provisioned. >> > > That's covered under the pursuit of happiness. How? ~

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Wow! we're 19th! How does that help your argument? On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "the problem with charity(ies) is that they well.. rely on charity and that > seems to be in short supply in the US." > > Huh? > > See the following: List of most charitable > countries

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > The basic problem with that argument is that health care is a service > that must be provisioned. > That's covered under the pursuit of happiness. ~| Order the Adobe Coldf

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > On the other hand, I believe that a basic, adequate, health > care system should be considered a fundamental right in our country > because it is required for "life, liberty and the pursuit of > happiness". The basic problem with that argu

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I didn't hear any racial slurs, did you? As for the spitting, looks like say it don't spray it. Cleaver didn't even wipe off the alleged spittle. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/congressman-spit-on-by-te_n_516300. > html > > ~~

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formulating ways to toss Pelosi, Reid, McConnell, Kyl and the rest out on their collective corrupt asses On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Sam wrote: > > Is that how you think it works? > What were you and the ACP's doing? > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Scott Stewart > wrote: >> >> Right..

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Try this one Sam, http://www.modernwhig.org/ the ACP merged with the Whigs a couple of months ago... please try to keep up :) On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Sam wrote: > > You better start donating some tech time: > http://www.americancentristparty.net/ > > I'm not seeing them winning many se

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/congressman-spit-on-by-te_n_516300. html -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see Linky pleasy On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:40

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You better start donating some tech time: http://www.americancentristparty.net/ I'm not seeing them winning many seats in November. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > It is Judah, very much so, what I'm saying is that what we're getting > isn't t the right solution for

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Is that how you think it works? What were you and the ACP's doing? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Right... poor GOP, not enough stones to try to knock the door down.. > Whining doesn't make change, reason does neither side has any concept > of that > ~

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Linky pleasy On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > That's funny...how was that made up by the left...there is video of it > happening.  You are so full of it Sam. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

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Right... poor GOP, not enough stones to try to knock the door down.. Whining doesn't make change, reason does neither side has any concept of that On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Sam wrote: > > Because the table was behind Harry Reid's locked door in the middle of > the night. > I guess you mis

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That's funny...how was that made up by the left...there is video of it happening. You are so full of it Sam. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:43 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see On Mon, J

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"Yeah about that, turns out it never happened. It was made up by the left. I guess it worked of the people from the center still believe it." Where do you get your news from? Entertainers like Rush Limbaugh don't count as legitimate sources of news, at least the Washington Post has a grain of

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It is Judah, very much so, what I'm saying is that what we're getting isn't t the right solution for the country, but the other side would rather play power games instead of actually thinking about what would work best for the country.. And the center is organizing, look at the American Centrist

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Because the table was behind Harry Reid's locked door in the middle of the night. I guess you missed that memo too. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Yeah Sam I was and apparently I paid attention while you were being > hand fed whatever pablum that the sheep herders that

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > wrong, every independent that I know is voting with their party.. > Sam, please, please keep thinking like that it's people like you who > make our job easier.. Glad to help. Keep up the good work, the movement is looking strong. > The

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Yeah Sam I was and apparently I paid attention while you were being hand fed whatever pablum that the sheep herders that you listen to were feeding. The GOP brought *--nothing--*, repeat *--nothing--* of substance to the table. It was deliberate to try to shore up votes in November. On Mon, Jul 2

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The problem with your formulation is that "the center" is really different depending on who you ask, how you ask and what issue you are asking about. I, for instance, favor a decentralized approach to a lot of things and I think there is an argument for a lot of state-by-state creativity on health

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> You're in on this? Most independents are voting R this go round and > third parties never work. wrong, every independent that I know is voting with their party.. Sam, please, please keep thinking like that it's people like you who make our job easier.. > Wrong. It's the left that keeps calling

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > uhmm.. no Sam, only part of your statement is true, no one tried to > stop them, the Republicans gave it lip service but brought *nothing* > of any substance to the table, they saw it as in their political best > interest to let it run, be

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o:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:09 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see > > > No Eric, in between is the center, and that the only place where any > real change and reason can come from.. > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at

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uhmm.. no Sam, only part of your statement is true, no one tried to stop them, the Republicans gave it lip service but brought *nothing* of any substance to the table, they saw it as in their political best interest to let it run, because they could scream socialist at every turn.. The center is

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >> What is you suggestion? Bury our heads in disgust? > > If that's what you'd like to do, be my guest, in the mean time watch I'm the one bitching about the problem, you're on the sideline waiting for the fairies to sprinkle magic dust. > o

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True...but they don't have the stones either... -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see No Eric, in between is the center, and that the only

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Then isn't time to cast both of them by the wayside where they belong? The voters have the final say, if people would stop letting the parties think for them, and vote issues and their conscience, we could create real and lasting change. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "

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Where is the center on this? Are they for the Obama health care plan or are they the racists that are against it? See the center wanted to debate health care and improve it, the extremists took it and went against the will of the people. The people that tried to stop them were declared extremists

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Scott Stewart > wrote: >> >> no Sam, what I'm saying is that it's time for all of the political >> maneuvering and infighting to stop. Both sides, Republicans and >> Democrats have reached the point of irrelevance,

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"... what I'm saying is that it's time for all of the political maneuvering and infighting to stop. Both sides, Republicans and Democrats have reached the point of irrelevance, because both sides have lost any concern for what's truly the right direction for the United States." Wouldn't that be g

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > no Sam, what I'm saying is that it's time for all of the political > maneuvering and infighting to stop. Both sides, Republicans and > Democrats have reached the point of irrelevance, because both sides > have lost any concern for what's t

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"Jerry, that's no where near enough to take care of even a small percentage of the people that truly need it.." How do you know? How many people truly need it? "The state of Virginia has one of the most effective welfare programs in the country, because it's limited and it's a work training pr

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sstwebworks.com] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 1:44 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see > > > The question should be "Who has the stones to take an objective > viewpoint and clean up these programs so that they do the work that > they're

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but at the end of the day, what do we have? Nothing of any real value or use.. while the so called moderates on both sides are still too afraid to rattle the cages of the party masters. real reform will come from returning this type of legislation to the state level where it belongs. On Mon, Jul

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no Sam, what I'm saying is that it's time for all of the political maneuvering and infighting to stop. Both sides, Republicans and Democrats have reached the point of irrelevance, because both sides have lost any concern for what's truly the right direction for the United States. It's the extremis

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Or anyone inbetween for that matter. -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 1:44 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see The question should be "Who has the stones to take an objective view

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I'll agree with the need for reform, as I already have, but the extremists on the left currently in the driver's seat? That would be the Democrats who dismissed single payer health care before negotiations even started? There are extremists on the left, no doubt, when you are talking social welfar

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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > The question should be "Who has the stones to take an objective > viewpoint and clean up these programs so that they do the work that > they're intended to do without being the drain that they are on the > economy". Harry Reid and Nancy P

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The question should be "Who has the stones to take an objective viewpoint and clean up these programs so that they do the work that they're intended to do without being the drain that they are on the economy". I don't think those stones exist in either the extremists on the left or the extremists

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I think the issue is should we hock the country now so we won't need charities in the future. Judah seems to think so. It's amazing how lazy people get when they lose incentive. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Jerry, that's no where near enough to take care of even a s

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Jerry, that's no where near enough to take care of even a small percentage of the people that truly need it.. The state of Virginia has one of the most effective welfare programs in the country, because it's limited and it's a work training program. The goal of the entire program is to get you out

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"the problem with charity(ies) is that they well.. rely on charity and that seems to be in short supply in the US." Huh? See the following: List of most charitable countries And that's only recorded charity. There is much more

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no we haven't forgotten, but the libertarian ideal that if we take away all of the federal entitlement programs (ie welfare, social security etc) people will step in and pick up the all slack in one huge unifying act of human kindness and charity simply isn't rational. People won't do it, because

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"What was happening before we sent the country into bankruptcy? Were people dying in the streets because they forgot to save?" Sam, this is exactly where I was heading. People tend to forget. J - The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give

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Maybe if you weren't so ornery people would warm up to you. Try it. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > That has been my experience in life that very few people are willing to give > in this day of whomever dies with the most toys wins. > ~~

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That has been my experience in life that very few people are willing to give in this day of whomever dies with the most toys wins. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:08 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can

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the problem with charity(ies) is that they well.. rely on charity and that seems to be in short supply in the US. I wish the world could be as perfect and kind as you seem to think that it is, but the reality is that it's not. Very few people give to charity and by extension of themselves out of t

RE: deficits as far as the eye can see

that help with that require that you have future ability to pay or they won't help you at all. -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:21 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:0

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I trust the government to help more than I trust random individuals to help. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:06 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: deficits as far as the eye can see "Because life rarely has a stor

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Why so bitter? Do you think everyone is evil so they owe you? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > That is great when that happens, the problem is that we have way too many > greedy fucks in this country would wouldn't help a dying man on the street > unless they had somethi

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