Mark, you are absolutely right. That was my point. The only thing that's
different when going open source is the fact that it is open source. And
of course intersted competitors could go and peek in our code.
A lot of projects who went open source were no longer payed attention
to. And we don't
I disagree with this in this market.
Railo could go open-source, but it wouldn't make much difference
apart from perception.
This community (I am sorry if I offend anybody) doesn't have the
number of people that can program in Java yet. I have had a few
people offer to help with CFEclipse (
At least CFC instances can't be replicated by underlying J2EE platform since
they can't implement serializable interface.
>there. (If you need session replication at least). Also, from what I've
>been told, session replication doesn't work reliably with CF, although I
>have not experienced probl
On Thursday 08 Feb 2007, Andy Matthews wrote:
> Adobe and Macromedia ALWAYS leapfrogged each other in features until of
> course Adobe bought MM. There's no reason why Adobe can't implement
> features from other engines.
cfthread
cfinterface
...
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to confidentially embrac
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:03 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
> Indeed, and you always will as in all reality it will be Adobe w
ot;
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
> But I don't see any reason why competing engines can't further growth in
the
> "official" engine. A perfect case is Macromedia and Adobe's competition in
> the
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From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 22:52:30 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Flash Remoting
is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF Filter is
included. Railo 1.1
Event gateways:
we
For stored procedure Railo has
Just like Adobe CFMX
from online help
>In 1.0 it is possible to call stored procedures in . Railo 1.1
>will support
I thought that was the case, but I did a quick test with MySQL 5 and it didn't
appear to work.
The procedure was just a sample one I found:
CREATE PROCEDURE molo() SELECT 'Molo';
And when trying to do this:
CALL mo
rom: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 22:52:30 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Flash Remoting
is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF
Filter is included. Railo 1.1
Event gateways:
we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave a
Sorry Railo 1.1 will support calls to .cfc's as well...
Gert Franz schrieb:
> Flash Remoting
> is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF
> Filter is included. Railo 1.1
>
> Event gateways:
> we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments for
> others :-
Flash Remoting
is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF
Filter is included. Railo 1.1
Event gateways:
we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments for
others :-)
Recordsets from stored procedures:
In 1.0 it is possible to call stored procedures in .
>Flash Remoting?
Not sure I consider that an /important/ feature myself.
Eitherway, I think its fair to say that CFMX is always going to be best option
for anyone doing Flash/Flex integration stuff.
>Event Gateway?
Ok, but one could argue that this is also absent from CFMX standard.
>Recordsets
> There are plenty of reasons to use Railo, but before I get
> into that, can you give an example of an important CFMX
> feature that Railo lacks?
Flash Remoting?
Event Gateway?
Recordsets from stored procedures?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software prov
> You can read the full thing here: http://blog.bpsite.net/index.
> php/Why%20Railo.html?itemid=24
Ooops, URL got chopped. Should be everything inside the brackets...
[ http://blog.bpsite.net/index.php/Why%20Railo.html?itemid=24 ]
~~
>Will you be waiting for version 1.1?
>
>I believe that will be very close to Adobe CF 7
I'll be going with the latest stable release. Whether that starts of being 1.1
depends on how soon that is released and how long it takes to get myself sorted.
If I'm ready before 1.1 then I'll start with 1.
Yikes, wasn't expecting this big a response! (If only it was full of people
saying "YES!")
> Matt Quackenbush wrote:
> At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]&!, why would
> >anyone< want to go
> backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF
> MX.
>
> select * from myTable where id=#url.id#
>
> If I'm not mistaken - that would only work in SQL Server, right?
>
> cuz only SQL server lets you pass through multiple queries
> all at once.
Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. The ability to batch SQL
commands depends on database d
On 2/7/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Escaping quotes does make SQL injection a little harder, but far from
> impossible.
select * from myTable where id=#url.id#
If I'm not mistaken - that would only work in SQL Server, right?
cuz only SQL server lets you pass through multi
> I was talking about bugs in code too -- SQL injection, XSS,
> bad logic, etc. And I'd argue personally and professionally
> using dozens of sites I've been hired to work on as a basis,
> that since CF *is* so simple, it's more likely that there are
> deadly bugs in the code -- even now, years
> I don't think anyone is saying that PHP is more or less prone to bugs
> because it's open. PHP (the language) has its own bugs/CF has it's own, but
> I wasn't talking about the bugs in the language itself. I was talking about
> bugs in the code. CF is so simple, that a lot of non-technical peo
> -Original Message-
> From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:40 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
> Russ wrote:
> > I don't think PHP has any sort of session management,
On 2/7/07, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to modify.
> It also means that when someone modifies your source code, they have to
> give
> it back to the community (you) for others to use.
Depends on the license. I use th
> -Original Message-
> From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:28 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
> On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >a
oving
> towards .NET.
>
> I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a
> contender in the enterprise world.
>
> Personally, I don't know PHP or ASP.NET, but I should probably start
> learning them.
>
> Russ
>
>> -
On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more
> >complicated and therefore will have more bugs.
That's a fairly ridiculous assertion -- first of all that one specific
language is more complicated than another and second that complexity =
b
Okay...thanks for correcting me Jochem. I didn't realize the difference.
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Andy Matthews said:
> Open sour
> I also think that while there's a decent amount of KICKING CF projects,
> there needs to be WAY more, and they need to be way better publicized. Look
> at the stuff that 37 Signals is doing. They're totally piggybacking on the
> popularity of Rails and offering up this fantastic software that jus
Andy Matthews said:
> Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to
> modify. It also means that when someone modifies your source code,
> they have to give it back to the community (you) for others to use.
No it doesn't. Even the most viral licenses for software only require
age-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to ma
ould get a serious jump start.
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From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything against open source. BUT we are
yet to small an
n a
> contender in the enterprise world.
>
> Personally, I don't know PHP or ASP.NET, but I should probably start
> learning them.
>
> Russ
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2
esday, February 07, 2007 8:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
why? what's the difference between open source and free?
Rick Root schrieb:
> For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would
---Original Message-
> From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
> Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
> has the stronghol
, 2007 10:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Just in general working and talking with CF people and at conferences. It
seems to me that because CF is so easy to learn, a lot of the people using it
are coming from non CS backgrounds. Now it might be just people I&#
still
have a enterprise edition that you charge for albeit at a lower price.
Doug B.
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From: "Gert Franz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
> would also still be charging a wholloping price for their product.
>
> Doug B.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gert Franz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Anyone int
Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just
as popular?
A. Better performing code
B. Cheaper development
C. Cheaper hosting
D. Other (Explain)
Doug
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From: "Gert Franz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
> Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything against open source. BUT we
> are yet to small and I do
maybe set up a poll somewhere and test out this hypothesis?
Russ
> -Original Message-
> From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:11 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
> >>Most
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gert Franz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
>
>
>> why? what's the difference between o
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
> Doug Brown wrote:
> > MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client
base
> > while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software
also
> >
>>Most CF people don't have a CS background
Where did you get this info from?
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
How many people on this list a
ginal Message-
> From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:51 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
> Doug Brown said:
> > A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire communi
"CF-Talk"
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
> Doug Brown said:
> > A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
> > helping to develop the project,
>
> Really? Look at that thread about the
Doug Brown wrote:
> MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client base
> while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software also
> develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source simply
> means that we have to wait for you to imple
Doug Brown said:
> A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
> helping to develop the project,
Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people
have said they would actually help?
Jochem
~~~
Hah! h4x0r! ;o)
Rey...
James Holmes wrote:
> Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud?
>
> On 2/7/07, Gert Franz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> why? what's the difference between open source and free?
>>
>>
>> Rick Root schrieb:
>>> For what it's worth, if Rai
lol ;)
Doug B.
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From: "James Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
> Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that
nd that it takes
longer for community acceptance.
Doug B.
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From: "Gert Franz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
> why? what's the differe
Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud?
On 2/7/07, Gert Franz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why? what's the difference between open source and free?
>
>
> Rick Root schrieb:
> > For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
> > interesti
Rick Root wrote:
> For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
> interesting...
>
The combination of a open source & shared hosting optimized CF runtime
is where I see some possibilities. Perhaps if one of the big hosting
companies (HMS or GoDaddy seem like likely cand
why? what's the difference between open source and free?
Rick Root schrieb:
> For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
> interesting...
>
>
>
~|
Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7
Experience Flex 2 & M
That indeed was and is true. But since changes could be easily be made,
I don't agree to change the behaviour of Railo in order to support this
syntax and loose performance in exchange.
Gert
Rick Root schrieb:
> On 2/7/07, Gert Franz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Neil,
>>
>> i can easil
For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting...
~|
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Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs
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On 2/7/07, Gert Franz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> i can easily post why this is:
>
> Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support
> the following.
>
> 1:
> 2:
> 3: <--- this throwhs an error
(For the record, that code wasn't written by me, it was in a
Gert Franz said:
>
> I read all the posts from you guys saying that there should be no
> reason to host Railo since it is only compatible to version MX 6.1.
> And you know you are absolutely right, if you do not care for:
> - security
I don't care about security as long as my part in the whole p
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From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 09:18:35 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
I hope somewhe
oard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gert Franz
> To: CF-Talk
> Sent: Wed Feb 07 08:58
spend 10k on Adobe products however.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 7:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
> Hi Dale,
>
> here
is almost unheard of, I have no such issues
convincing businesses to spend 10k on Adobe products however.
Regards
Dale Fraser
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From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 7:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting
:45 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Yes Neil, you are absolutely right. That's what I wrote myself in the
comments. Tests have to be done by independent companies and in addition
they have to test a lot of stuff, not only on single issue. And I can
not publish suc
Yes Neil, you are absolutely right. That's what I wrote myself in the
comments. Tests have to be done by independent companies and in addition
they have to test a lot of stuff, not only on single issue. And I can
not publish such a test as well since an independent company is objective.
I would
Hi Dale,
here my comments to your concerns:
1. security
Railo does not claim to be absolutely secure in terms of weaknesses or
security holes. Nor do we claim to be more secure than other engines in
this terms. But just give me your thoughts about these matters:
How do you prevent users from di
anz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 08:06:43 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Just a tiny hint is this...
http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2006/11/27/Comparing-Component-spee
d-on-different-CFML-engines
Greetings / Grüsse
Gert Franz
Customer Care
Railo Technologies G
o.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gert Franz
> To: CF-Talk
> Sent: Wed Feb 07 07:42:18 2007
> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> i can easily post why this is:
>
> Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does no
e BD's
if it was significantly less expensive you might have a case, but it's
marginally less expensive with less features.
Regards
Dale Fraser
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From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 07:42:18 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Hi Neil,
i can easily post why this is:
Railo, for a good reason which I
e
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From: Rick Root
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 04:03:21 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
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From: Matt Quackenbush
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 02:00:07 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL
Hi all together,
I read all the posts from you guys saying that there should be no reason
to host Railo since it is only compatible to version MX 6.1. And you
know you are absolutely right, if you do not care for:
- security
- performance
- price
Why do people still start new hosting on Bluedrag
On 2/6/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree, unless your giving it away, I wouldn't pay for hosting on
> anything
> other than the official product, I only stand to loose stuff and gain
> nothing.
I recommend Bluedragon hosting for some of my clients who get VPS accounts
at Vivi
Will you be waiting for version 1.1?
I believe that will be very close to Adobe CF 7
On 2/7/07, Peter Boughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> In a month or two I'll be getting a dedicated server, and I've had a
> thought: maybe I should go for the next server spec up, get Railo
> Enter
No comment...
Doug B.
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From: "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
> I agree, unless your giving it away, I wouldn't pay for ho
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 1:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]&!, why would >anyone<
want to go
backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF
MX. I'm sure I sp
At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]&!, why would >anyone<
want to go
backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF
MX. I'm sure I speak for an extremely high percentage of CFers out there
when I say, "Thank God we're not in the pre-MX days anymore!
Hello.
In a month or two I'll be getting a dedicated server, and I've had a
thought: maybe I should go for the next server spec up, get Railo
Enterprise, and offer Railo hosting.
(for those unaware of what Railo is, it's a really excellent CFML engine,
better than all other CFML engines in nearl
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