Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-22 Thread Sean Corfield
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:22:21 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a way, it is analogous to the SQL specification(s) and implementations In other words Yes, you can write portable JMS code if you know what you're doing... 1) I can't make anything work on JRUn JMS I've sent you

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-20 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:00:05 -0400, Alexander Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the gateway doesn't support FuseBox 4.5 circuits and the FLiP process (not to mention .qry and .dsp files), then MACR should go with Mach-II listeners. Funny you should mention that - I'm currently building a

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-20 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:41:10 -0400, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Writing an event gateway requires knowledge of Java therefore yours is not a valid argument. True but using one of the out-of-the-box gateways does not nor will using any 3rd party gateways that people write. The end

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-20 Thread Sean Corfield
I think Vince is making some very good points here - remember that New Atlanta have always said that they are going after a slightly different audience to Macromedia and therefore the features they add for their customer base are likely to be slightly different to those added by Macromedia for

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-20 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 20, 2004, at 8:59 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: True but using one of the out-of-the-box gateways does not nor will using any 3rd party gateways that people write. The end result will be access to a large number of protocols with no knowledge of Java required - for example, my JMS gateway

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-20 Thread Sean Corfield
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:44:04 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JMS, in particular is dependent on the implementation of the specific JMS provider.(JBoss, JRun, IBM, etc all have different interfaces). That isn't really true: if you program against the javax.jms specification you

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-20 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 20, 2004, at 3:16 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:44:04 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JMS, in particular is dependent on the implementation of the specific JMS provider.  (JBoss, JRun, IBM, etc all have different interfaces). That isn't really

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-19 Thread Micha Schopman
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2004-08-19 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 18:23 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: Except that I have yet to find a way to instantiate a cfquery object using a Java Resultset that works consistently and efficiently (or at Why not just return a structure that looks like a query ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Tuesday 17 Aug 2004 15:31 pm, Matt Liotta wrote: Compare this with an event gateway, which is still undefined, cough Speak for yourself. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole

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2004-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt, don't you realize that the event gateway IS external Java invocation of CFCs?I remember you complaining about not being able to to this without really digging really deep and that it really wasn't recommened due to its fragile and tricky nature. Isn't nice that MM has provided a public,

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Thane Sherrington
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RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Blackstone will ship with a number of out-of-the-box gateways that connect to a number of protocols - meaning ColdFusion developers don't need to write them. That in itself is a win. Agreed, but Macromedia could have supplied protocol handlers without building an event gateway. Instead, they

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Tony Weeg
is the underlying factor here some problem with how BD wont be able to piggyback the event gateway or use it or steal it? must be something like this, or else i dont think matt's panties would be in a bunch like this...they only tend to get into this sorta snag when something like this is

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Weeg Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article is the underlying factor here some problem with how BD wont be able to piggyback the event gateway or use

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Micha Schopman
Personally, the moment BlueDragon came out I thought.. those guys actually give us what the community always wanted. BlueDragon just filled up that spot which has always been on the request list of many developers. And also personally, I don't think I will ever use Flash forms, or auto-generated

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Think about this... don't like the way CFMX handles webservices? Thinks its buggy and a pain to use?Just don't want to use Axis because you have a better idea? Write your own event gateway for webservices and that utilizes some other SOAP engine. Want to implement SOAP via SMTP which CF

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Tony Weeg
you know what man, i dont want, wait a minute, YOU CANT DO ANYTHING WITH ME, you dont have that option, friend, sorry. now, mike d, he could throw him off the list, sure... im not here to get into a pissing match with you matt, i just tend to be the voice of the soft spoken crowd. the crowd

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Tangorre, Michael
matt, i respect your intelligence, i respect your message, you are way off the scales on the iq chart im sure, butyour delivery sucks. if your personality was half of what your intelligence was, man, im sure you could be president.i hope this doesnt offend you, its not intended to

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Alexander Sherwood
At 09:56 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote: matt, i respect your intelligence, i respect your message, you are way off the scales on the iq chart im sure, butyour delivery sucks. if your personality was half of what your intelligence was, man, im sure you could be president.i hope this doesnt

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Charlie Griefer
I'm more silenced at the notion of Tony representing the soft spoken:) (but while there is a short silence, I'm going to throw in a soft spoken request that this thread move to community?) Alexander Sherwood wrote: At 09:56 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote: matt, i respect your intelligence, i

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
If the gateway doesn't support FuseBox 4.5 circuits and the FLiP process (not to mention .qry and .dsp files), then MACR should go with Mach-II listeners. Mach-II is really the best choice to build the forthcoming remote Java -- CFC invocation event-based gateway, by far. Ummm... no...

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 14:34 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: CF-Admin... If I could get DSN-less connections with CFMX, I'd be all over it. Umm, you can, with the service factory java objects... -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Brian Kotek
What are you talking about? If you're being serious, this doesn't make any sense at all. If you're joking, it's not funny. - Original Message - From: Alexander Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:00:05 -0400 Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Like all things CF, it's more accessible to people who aren't Java experts. Writing an event gateway requires knowledge of Java therefore yours is not a valid argument. After all, a structure is just a Java object. So what makes CF structures any better than using the underlying Java object

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Doug White
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RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Gavin Brook
documentation or product is ready for testing. Gavin -Original Message- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2004 15:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article I particularly like the feature in Blackstone of being able to incorporate PGP

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Alexander Sherwood
: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:56 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote: matt, i respect your intelligence, i respect your message, you are way off the scales on the iq chart im sure, butyour delivery sucks. if your personality was half of what

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Benjamin S. Rogers
Like all things CF, it's more accessible to people who aren't Java experts. Writing an event gateway requires knowledge of Java therefore yours is not a valid argument. Declaring that it's not a valid argument does not make it so. As many people have already stated, there will be

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Declaring that it's not a valid argument does not make it so. As many people have already stated, there will be several built in gateways. ColdFusion developers will be able to start using these from day one with no knowledge of Java. You are missing the context of the thread though. The

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 14:34 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: CF-Admin... If I could get DSN-less connections with CFMX, I'd be all over it. Umm, you can, with the service factory java objects... And use that for cfquery how? ... I know that I can connect to datasources without using a DSN by

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 17:28 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: And use that for cfquery how? ... I know that I can connect to Well, either write your own cf_query, or a cfquery object/UDF to behave like cfquery did back when CF support DSN-less nativly (4.5 ?)... all you are doing with hacking the

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Like all things CF, it's more accessible to people who aren't Java experts. Writing an event gateway requires knowledge of Java therefore yours is not a valid argument. Excuse me? MM is providing a handful of pre-built gateways to begin with, much less having a consistent interface provided

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2004-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 17:28 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: And use that for cfquery how? ... I know that I can connect to Well, either write your own cf_query, or a cfquery object/UDF to behave like cfquery did back when CF support DSN-less nativly (4.5 ?)... all you are doing with hacking

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Excuse me? MM is providing a handful of pre-built gateways to begin with, much less having a consistent interface provided by MM which allows others who are Java knowledgeable to create, package and distribute additional gateways. At which point, yes, it is a very valid argument. The end

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Alexander Sherwood
At 01:35 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote: Probably. But very few (if any) are using their own application schemes instead of cfapplication. What does that have to do with cflogin or frameworks? -Matt It has to do with Mach-II blowing all other frameworks away. That is, except Java Server Faces and

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Calvin Ward
Hmm, that's an interesting point on flash generation... Did New Atlanta just get left behind big time in the compatability dept? -Original Message- From:Matt Liotta Date:8/18/04 8:59 am To:CF-Talk Subj:RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article I don't know what to do with you

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
It has to do with Mach-II blowing all other frameworks away. That is, except Java Server Faces and Struts. Glad you cleared that up. ;) -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

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2004-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Excuse me? MM is providing a handful of pre-built gateways to begin with, much less having a consistent interface provided by MM which allows others who are Java knowledgeable to create, package and distribute additional gateways. At which point, yes, it is a very valid argument. The end

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Alexander Sherwood
At 01:46 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote: It has to do with Mach-II blowing all other frameworks away. That is, except Java Server Faces and Struts. Glad you cleared that up. ;) I'm sorry...I just can't help myself. As I was typing the above response, I could see a red-faced FuseBoxer knee-deep in a

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Tangorre, Michael
Nothing wrong with Fusebox. Nothing wrong with any framework or methodology... Whatever works for ya. Michael T. Tangorre I'm sorry...I just can't help myself. As I was typing the above response, I could see a red-faced FuseBoxer knee-deep in a nested circuit just blowing a gasket at the

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Didn't realize it was in that context... but okay -- since I read the other one where you quoted the context you were speaking within specifically -- the _minor_ revision then is -- if you don't like the way the pre-built gateways work, buy or use one someone else has built, which is still a

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Brian Kotek
Development Times Article To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry...I just can't help myself. As I was typing the above response, I could see a red-faced FuseBoxer knee-deep in a nested circuit just blowing a gasket at the insinuation that Struts or JSF could be mentioned in the same breath as FuseBox. I

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Vince Bonfanti
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article Hmm, that's an interesting point on flash generation... Did New Atlanta just get left behind big time

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Dave Watts
That is a fair argument, but I think it is too early to tell whether the event gateway will provide this consistency. In that case, isn't it too early to be having this discussion? Or at least, to expect it to be a meaningful discussion? Again, the framework it provides could be great, but

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
In that case, isn't it too early to be having this discussion? Or at least, to expect it to be a meaningful discussion? Not at all! This is the perfect time to air concerns regarding Blackstone as it allows Macromedia time to address them before the product ships if they choose to. They may

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2004-08-18 Thread dcooper
NDA reminder here for anyone under NDA. Thanks In that case, isn't it too early to be having this discussion? Or at Not at all! This is the perfect time to air concerns regarding Blackstone as [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations

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2004-08-18 Thread Benjamin S. Rogers
You are missing the context of the thread though. Maybe I am. I don't think so, but it's always possible. :) This thread has been very long, and, as most mailing list conversations go, it's covered quite a bit of territory. The original statement was as follows. Which itself was a reply to

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread Dave Watts
Not at all! This is the perfect time to air concerns regarding Blackstone as it allows Macromedia time to address them before the product ships if they choose to. They may have already addressed the issue or they may not have thought of it. Better to be safe and discuss it now. I don't

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread dave
LOL tony u can speak 4 me anytime, gives me more time to go fishin! cfset goodFlyFishingDay = weather EQ rain AND clouds EQ overcast AND season NEQ winter -- Original Message -- From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Wed, 18 Aug

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
LOL tony u can speak 4 me anytime, gives me more time to go fishin! cfset goodFlyFishingDay = weather EQ rain AND clouds EQ overcast AND season NEQ winter Syntax is a bit odd... not sure it will work that way, try this: cfset overcast = ran clouds cfif weather eq overcast and season neq

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread dcooper
Building Event Gateway based 1-way (push or pull) and 2-way interactive and session-aware Instant Messaging and cell phone SMS apps require only knowledge of CFML.No Java knowledge is preferred or required. Of course, the architecture is extensible, so if you need a Gateway to something and we

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
The article says thatyou can set up a hot folder -- any time something is saved/changes in the folder it can fire a gateway event that triggers a CFC. ... no JMS there How is that new? You can do that today without an event gateway. -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription]

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2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
Of course, the architecture is extensible, so if you need a Gateway to something and we don't include it, if you have Java skills, you can build your own for CFML developers to use. That is the key point, it requires Java skills if one of the built-in gateways doesn't do what you need. What

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread dcooper
A similar analogy might be the use vs creation of a JDBC driver: You definitely want to use one, but you probably don't want to write one. The Gateways we provide will be well suited to their tasks, well tested, highly scalable and robust.But we recognize it's a big world out there, and there

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread dcooper
This is one of our sample Gateways provided for demonstration purposes and is provided with source code.It will likely be useful for some folks, however.When you give folks an open API, it sometimes surprising what they dream and come up with! The article says thatyou can set up a hot folder --

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
A similar analogy might be the use vs creation of a JDBC driver: You definitely want to use one, but you probably don't want to write one. I completely disagree. What possible reason would a CFML developer have for creating a JDBC driver? Every major database provides one, Macromedia

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Samuel R. Neff
: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article Of course, the architecture is extensible, so if you need a Gateway to something and we don't include it, if you have Java skills, you can build your own for CFML developers to use. That is the key point, it requires Java skills if one

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread dcooper
Analogies aside, the Event Gateway makes CF natively extensible and enables capabilities previously only available to organizations with access to extensive resources and specialized expertise. The best part is you'll be able to build these apps (or add these capabilities to existing apps)

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Paul Kenney
-in gateways, then the chances it does what you need are really good. Sam -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article Of course, the architecture

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article Analogies aside, the Event Gateway makes CF natively

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt, what exactly is your point... besides that the Event Gateway isn't that great of an idea?Are you just trying to be contrary? I thought I stated my point clearly; the event gateway doesn't seem that interesting of a feature for the greater CFML community especially when compared to the

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Jochem van Dieten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We always welcome ideas, so if you have some for Gateways, we'd love to hear them. A SNMP trap gateway. Mainly receiving, so I can forward traps collected by the SNMP gateway through the SMS gateway to my mobile phone, but sending traps might be

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread dcooper
I would think you guys would be excited by this new functionality and what this will mean for you and your customers.Am I missing something here? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

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2004-08-17 Thread Adam Haskell
If the source code is provided I think it is likely that more people will try to develop their own if the situation arises where they need something different. I know sometimes people just need a solid starting block, though I agree with Matt's skepticism. Adam On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:26:56

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Micha Schopman
If Macromedia provides us with the tools, to create such, I see no problem. Maybe it would become in like cf_eventgateway action=""> event=network/io/db/memory/etc task=cfc And the use CFC's to handle the events. So the gateway only is a observer, and triggers cfc's to take action upon which

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Matt Liotta wrote: Of course, the architecture is extensible, so if you need a Gateway to something and we don't include it, if you have Java skills, you can build your own for CFML developers to use. That is the key point, it requires Java skills if one of the built-in gateways doesn't do

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread dcooper
Sweet!Of course you do 2-way as well, so you could respond and DO something about it from your phone. A SNMP trap gateway. Mainly receiving, so I can forward traps collected by the SNMP gateway through the SMS gateway to my mobile phone, but sending traps might be usefull for people who want

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Don
This seems to be a very hot topic, so, I have to jump on this wagon too :) all right, in all earnestness, how about adding a feature to allow a developer to be able to distribute his/her app (eval copy, expires in 30 days etc. flexible, so he or she can set any exp. days of choice), now, would

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Alexander Sherwood
At 11:36 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: This seems to be a very hot topic, so, I have to jump on this wagon too :) all right, in all earnestness, how about adding a feature to allow a developer to be able to distribute his/her app (eval copy, expires in 30 days etc. flexible, so he or she can set any

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways (plus a few extensions that will undoubtedly be released) will do the majority of what the majority of developers need. It will be a while before the average developer wants more then say IM, SMS, SNMP and maybe telnet and IRC.

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Ray Champagne
That was the best acronym-ed post this list has ever seen Ray http://www.crystalvision.org At 11:40 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways (plus a few extensions that will undoubtedly be released) will do the majority of what the

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Alexander Sherwood
At 11:46 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: LMAO! TTFN, Alex That was the best acronym-ed post this list has ever seen Ray http://www.crystalvision.org At 11:40 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways (plus a few extensions that will

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Jochem van Dieten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet!Of course you do 2-way as well, so you could respond and DO something about it from your phone. Don't wake a sleeping BOFH ;-) Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and

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2004-08-17 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 17, 2004, at 8:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We always welcome ideas, so if you have some for Gateways, we'd love to hear them.  I'm sure if there's demand, there will be enterprising 3rd parties anxious to meet the demand.  In fact, it's already happening :)

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Matt Liotta wrote: But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways (plus a few extensions that will undoubtedly be released) will do the majority of what the majority of developers need. It will be a while before the average developer wants more then say IM, SMS, SNMP and

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article On Aug 17, 2004, at 8:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We always welcome ideas, so if you have some for Gateways, we'd love to hear them.  I'm sure if there's demand, there will be enterprising

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread dcooper
Hopefully, they won't spend too much time on a feature without mass appeal. We're definitely trying to spend our resources as wisely as possible. We've held back talking about the Event Gateway and IM/SMS feature set during the early tours, etc for a number of reasons, but you'll be hearing much

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 17, 2004, at 9:13 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: Wow, that company was able to do all that without event gateways. They must be an organization with extensive resources and specialized expertise. No, Matt, just a small very-talented staff. This was CF 3.x The person who conceived and

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 17, 2004, at 9:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Blackstone feature set will without a doubt let CF developers think outside the web app box.  Web apps are great, but the world is increasingly wireless, mobile and instant.  Now and in the future, I believe the

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Michael Kear
Webworks http://afpwebworks.com _ From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 1:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways (plus a few extensions

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Michael Kear
, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com http://afpwebworks.com/ (Organisation with limited resources but specialised expertise.) _ From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 2:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt, I might be wrong here, but I don't think it's Macromedia's intention to make it COMPULSORY for you to use the new feature. I don't think anyone even implied that. I think you could take almost any aspect of ColdFusion and there would be people who would say I have no idea why they

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Paul Kenney
Fair enough. On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:04:44 -0400, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt, I might be wrong here, but I don't think it's Macromedia's intention to make it COMPULSORY for you to use the new feature. I don't think anyone even implied that. I think you could take almost

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:04 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: I didn't state I wouldn't use this feature. I simply responded to the notion that is an important feature. I don't think it is. Matt My opinion is just the opposite. the Event Gateway decouples a cfmx app from the browser -- that means: 1)

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Pete Freitag
Matt Liotta wrote: Sure, but the question is always how many. If most people feel that way then it was a waste of time. If most people don't feel that way then it likely wasn't a waste of time. My assertion is that features like Flash-based forms have much wider appeal. Let's find

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Alexander Sherwood
At 01:31 PM 8/17/2004, you wrote: CF Isn't perfect, but BlueDragon is. Instead of investing in gateways and silly things like flash-based forms, New Atlanta included the CFDRYCLEAN tag. This is the first Web application server with a truly mass appeal feature: pickup your dry cleaning. You

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
the Event Gateway decouples a cfmx app from the browser -- that means: It does no such thing since a CFML application was never coupled with the browser in the first place. 1) you can run a cf app anywhere that meets the requirements You can do that now. 2) The CF developer will be able

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread G
Liotta To: CF-Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article snip I disagree. CFML is well suited for what it was designed for. In fact, I would go as far as to say that CFML is the best scripting language available for web-based projects

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Tangorre, Michael
Now that was some funny shit.LOL -Mike CF Isn't perfect, but BlueDragon is. Instead of investing in gateways and silly things like flash-based forms, New Atlanta included the CFDRYCLEAN tag. This is the first Web application server with a truly mass appeal feature: pickup your dry

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Calvin Ward
the box will gain everyone, especially the creative thinker themselves. - Calvin -Original Message- From:Matt Liotta Date:8/17/04 1:42 pm To:CF-Talk Subj:RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article the Event Gateway decouples a cfmx app from the browser -- that means: It does

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Joe Rinehart
I think you left off my favorite: CFWRITEMYAPPLICATIONFORME -joe [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Stacy Young
, August 17, 2004 1:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article the Event Gateway decouples a cfmx app from the browser -- that means: It does no such thing since a CFML application was never coupled with the browser in the first place. 1) you can run a cf app

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Whittingham, P
an OLAP or Content Management sysytem. Patrick Whittingham -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article In regards to the event gateway feature I respectfully

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Sean Corfield
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:33:37 -0400, Whittingham, P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally feel that features like event gateway, once we 'understand' its details will have features to integrate 3rd party vendors. I am curious how Sean Cornfield implemented it against Oracle Financial, since we

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 17, 2004, at 5:02 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:33:37 -0400, Whittingham, P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally feel that features like event gateway, once we 'understand' its details will have features to integrate 3rd party vendors. I am curious how Sean

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Matt Liotta
I'd already built a standard CF app that took XML files and imported them into Oracle Applications via the database. The event gateway has allowed me to receive XML messages asynchronously and use the same code to process them as I was already using for the XML files. JMS is much more

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 17, 2004, at 7:03 PM, Matt Liotta wrote: I'd already built a standard CF app that took XML files and imported them into Oracle Applications via the database. The event gateway has allowed me to receive XML messages asynchronously and use the same code to process them as I was

RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread dave
matt, does anything make u happy? my god man what can we do 2 put some sunshine up yer bum? -- Original Message -- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:03:56 -0400 I'd already built a standard CF app

Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article

2004-08-17 Thread Paul Kenney
Matt, don't you realize that the event gateway IS external Java invocation of CFCs?I remember you complaining about not being able to to this without really digging really deep and that it really wasn't recommened due to its fragile and tricky nature. Isn't nice that MM has provided a public,

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