Dick Applebaum wrote:
Someone (maybe me), posted that strong typing in CFML would allow the
CF parser to generate better Java code.
Not the current one.
Say you want to change the program(s) slightly so they return a list
of db tables, and the columns within each table. On the
Dick Applebaum wrote:
Are you saying that you need to restart CFMX to install a new Java
class.
IIRC it is a setting somewhere, search the archive.
Jochem
PS Some deleting of ancient messages on the bottom would be nice. Just
look at the mess this thread leaves in the archives to see why.
from presentation)...Am
trying to relate to Inline
Java..
So what overall advantage do we get with
Inline Java? Any
Performance...?
other than coding between CF/Java in
templates?
I am not against InLine Java.. just trying to
understand the Mechanics.
Joe
On Tue, 26 Nov
I am still for cfjava mind you.
Rob
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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX)
Again, I could
What is IIRC?
On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 03:25 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
IIRC it is a setting somewhere, search the archive.
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What is IIRC?
On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 03:25 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
IIRC it is a setting somewhere, search the archive.
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On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 03:17 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
Dick Applebaum wrote:
Someone (maybe me), posted that strong typing in CFML would allow the
CF parser to generate better Java code.
Not the current one.
Yes, that was understood -- but CFML typing would allow the CF
On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 03:25 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
Are you saying that you need to restart CFMX to install a new Java
class.
IIRC it is a setting somewhere, search the archive.
I don't understand this response -- How can I avoid restarting CFMX OS
X (Linux)
to recognize
Quoting Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
While I understand this isn't a feature that everybody would use, I
would personally like to see MM focus on encapsulating some more Java
features into easy-to-use black-box CF tags rather than having to code
my own Java.
I agree. For instance, it
we could not pass Nulls between CF and Java.
This is for a general-purpose developer utility that I use to
manipulate databases. It is especially useful on remote (shared) sites
where you don't have administrative privileges.
I have been doing this a long time with CF 4.5 and CF 5 on win
accounts. That would make it possible to do this securely.
But how many hosting providers would you expect to run JRUN Enterprise +
CF for J2EE?
I thought that one of the advantages of CFMXJ2ee on a J2ee-compliant
app server, is the ability to interoperate between CF and Java programs.
Technically
Dick,
Can we see your code? Cant you have a method that converts CF String null to
Java String=null?
tried to invoke it with cfobject. We could not
make the interface work
because we could not pass Nulls between CF and
Java.
Here is an example
public class StringType{
private String
manipulation
of the JDBC driver.
Use a CF routine to interface the Java program: providing input
paramaters for the desired db request; and presentation of the
results
Use an alias (such as 'MyNull'), to exchange psuedo nulls between
CF and Java, as necessary
Any help
paramaters for the desired db request; and
presentation of the
results
Use an alias (such as 'MyNull'), to exchange
psuedo nulls between
CF and Java, as necessary
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
TIA
Dick
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From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX)
Dick,
Here is an Example that works with CFMX. The Java file should be compiled
under WEB-INF/classes
: Java in CF (CFMX)
Dick,
Here is an Example that works with CFMX. The
Java file should be compiled
under WEB-INF/classes/
and you can invoke it with CFObject. Note i am
using Macromedia drivers to
connect to Sql-Server.
This is rough sketch..if you want.. i can
improvise this later
Thought this thread was still about inline java. Sorry - maybe it was
another thread.
nevermind.
Rob
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From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX)
wouldn't need to happen.
Where do u
Joe Eugene wrote:
wouldn't need to happen.
Where do u want it happen?
At some MM production facility. As I said, cfobject is a no-go on a
shared server.
Jochem
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it available for any other templates, CFCs or
whatever that needs to use it.
- Jim
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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX)
See though the whole point is
The Java file should be compiled
under
You loose alot of flexibility.. on a shared server.. How many ppl are running
enterprise CFMX on shared servers?
Have ever had to call a function/method in CF around 1000 times on a page? Do
some math with it...CFObject(Java) blows CF..try it.
Joe
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:58:02 +0100 Jochem van
Java program
that accessed
DatabaseMetaData, but could not accomplish the same with CF.
Joe posted asking to see the code
--and you know the rest.
So, the thread changed topic a little -- to how interface CF to a Java
program to get
DatabaseMateData.
I haven't tried Joe's code yet
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 14:32 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
Here is an Example that works with CFMX. The Java file should be
compiled
under WEB-INF/classes/
...
if(c.equalsIgnoreCase(null)) cat=null; else cat=c;
if(s.equalsIgnoreCase(null)) schPattern=null; else schPattern=s;
Bet you could add 'null' if you could do inline java
:)
just kidding
Rob
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Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX)
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 14:32 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene
some math with it...CFObject(Java) blows CF..
Needing the performance of Java is an entirely different situation from
needing the features of Java. If you need the performance of Java, the
more common upgrade path from shared hosting is to first get a dedicated
server, then start rewriting CFML
: Java in CF (CFMX)
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 14:32 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
Here is an Example that works with CFMX. The Java file should be
compiled
under WEB-INF/classes/
...
if(c.equalsIgnoreCase(null)) cat=null; else cat=c;
if(s.equalsIgnoreCase(null)) schPattern=null; else
/method in CF around 1000 times on a
page? Do
some math with it...CFObject(Java) blows CF..try it.
Joe
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:58:02 +0100 Jochem van Dieten
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wrote:
Joe Eugene wrote:
wouldn't need to happen.
Where do u want it happen?
At some MM production facility
on
performance.
Joe
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From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX)
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 14:32 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
Here is an Example that works with CFMX. The Java file
2) Where CFMX can act as a gentle introduction to Java -- certainly
this hybrid code would not be the best, but it would allow Java
neophytes, like myself, to learn Java gracefully, without having to
learn all the rules first. -- There is something about the fact that
we can learn our
all of your programs (or tiers of an application) in
Java -- likely not -- there are some things that CF does better than
Java.
But, with inline Java, CF would allow the developer an easy way to
learn (and use) Java and how to interact with the Java infrastructure.
So equipped, the developer
be the brick wall that most people run in to, including myself
for the longest time; not necessarily the syntax.
After this rather long preamble, here's my point:
If CF had inline Java code, it would allow someone learning Java to
take a segment of a working CF program and recode that in Java
language I've ever learned.
If CF had inline Java code, it would allow someone learning Java to
take a segment of a working CF program and recode that in Java --
without the need to learn everything about Java, including its
theory, structure, syntax documentation, etc., all at once
I don't
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Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX)
On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 04:48 US/Pacific, Dick Applebaum wrote:
What do you mean by design patterns -- that is a term that I am
unfamiliar with?
http://www.google.com
with a namespace of cf and you've got something
that
even looks like CF!
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Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
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On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 04:48 US/Pacific, Dick
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From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:22 PM
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Thanks, guys!
I am not quite convinced, but almost...
About 6 years ago, I attempted to learn Java
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Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX) - MM Drivers
I can use the CFMX MM DB drivers in a JSP page..No problem.
however.. i need
to use it in a Java Application..tried to load the Driver..
Class.forName
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From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 3:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX)
Thanks, guys!
I am not quite convinced, but almost...
About 6 years ago, I attempted to learn Java with a Teach Yourself
book
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Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX)
Dick, I am reading the Beginning Java Objects book by Jacquie
Barker, you
can see it shown here with a couple of sample chapters (it is a
good book).
http://developer.java.sun.com
On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 14:23 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
I got this partially resolved... Sean helped out.. Thanks Sean.
Glad to hear you got it working after we'd been chatting on IM. I was
really puzzled since I got it to work on my Mac and we seemed to be
typing the same commands
On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 17:43 US/Pacific, Kwang Suh wrote:
I should also mention that tools like Rational Rose will write a ton
of code
for you based on the design you have created - there's a very tight
coupling
in Java between design and implementation.
A better CASE tool, in my
, the
other day.
Joe
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From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX) - MM Drivers
On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 14:23 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
I got this partially resolved
On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 20:05 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
Thanks Sean once again for pointing out the license thing, anyways i
got
it working with SQL Server Drivers.
Yes, those would not be protected by the Macromedia license I guess.
On windows, this is what worked for me.
java -cp
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From: Phil Costa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX)
The decision to disallow inline java code was definitely not a cut
between typing and syntax, parsing a page that had
both Java and CFML/CFScript would have been a bear.
Phil
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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX)
Thursday, November 21, 2002, 11:54:58
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From: Phil Costa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX)
The decision to disallow inline java code was definitely not a cut and dry
one. One
of the
differences between typing and syntax, parsing
a page that had both Java and CFML/CFScript
would have been a bear.
Phil
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From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX
is there a way to do something like
cfjava
//actual java code not cfscript
/cfjava
in cfmx? Like JSP in line - how do you make a jsp block?
Thanks,
Rob
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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Java in CF (CFMX)
is there a way to do something like
cfjava
Not to my knowledge...if there is, I haven't seen it documented. You
can of course instantiate classes and read/set properties and use the
classes methods with standard CF.
--
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Thursday, November 21, 2002, 3:36:54 PM, you wrote:
RR is there a way to do something
I guess not. Would using the Java CFX API, or even just custom classes you
call from a CFMX template not meet your needs?
- Jim
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From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX)
I guess not. Would using the Java CFX API, or even just custom classes you
call from a CFMX template not meet your needs?
- Jim
you can import jsp libraries and use them in a CF page via CFIMPORT in CFMX.
Doug
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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX)
There is no need. I was just wondering. Since all cfm
be even marginally recognizable by CF coders.
- Jim
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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX)
There is no need. I was just wondering. Since all cfm pages get complied
in the page itself that wouldn't be
covered by the methods noted above, I'd be interested in it.
Phil Costa
Macromedia
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That's
actually said it.
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From: Phil Costa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:19 PM
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We made a design decision not to allow
curious.
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From: Phil Costa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:19 PM
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We made
write websites in assembly? :)
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From: Mosh Teitelbaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX)
While I personally agree with the decision
Interesting, sounds like the same reasoning that has kept CF tags from
being able to be used in cfscript all those years, another design
decision, even though many people asked for it.
The case for allowing inline Java is simple, CF developers can use
Java without having to know everything about
Jon Hall wrote:
The case for allowing inline Java is simple, CF developers can use
Java without having to know everything about Java. Methods and classes
are easy to get. Compiling, classpath's, and understanding the lengths
Java goes to, to abstract everything, etc. is not.
Knowing just
Thursday, November 21, 2002, 11:54:58 PM, you wrote:
MT Jon Hall wrote:
The case for allowing inline Java is simple, CF developers can use
Java without having to know everything about Java. Methods and classes
are easy to get. Compiling, classpath's, and understanding the lengths
Java goes
A little help please. I am trying to use some javascript on my CF pages. I
would like to pass the formname and fieldname to the function, perform an
action and return the value: i.e.
SCRIPT LANGUAGE = "JavaScript"
!--
function changevalue(FormName, FieldName)
{
var oldvalue;
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Allaire has annonced that CF 6 will be
entirely written in
Java on the back end, with CF Tags actually being translated
into JSP Code
and then passed to a servlet engine, all on the back-end.
My only question: What kind of crack is Allaire
Better get moving then. You only have until the end of next year to convert
to PHP.
Rick
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:39 AM
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The performance comparison Allaire demonstrated at the Conference is not
exhaustive, of course, but, for THAT app, Allaire's new Java-based approach
out-performed its existing C++-based approach.
best, paul
At 10:39 AM 12/1/00 -0500, you wrote:
There is no WAY a Java server can
out perform a
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Allaire has annonced that CF 6 will be
entirely written in
Java on the back end, with CF Tags actually being translated
into JSP Code
and then passed to a servlet engine, all on the back-end.
My only question: What kind
11:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java and CF
The performance comparison Allaire demonstrated at the Conference is not
exhaustive, of course, but, for THAT app, Allaire's new Java-based approach
out-performed its existing C++-based approach.
best, paul
At 10:39 AM 12/1/00 -0500, you wrote
They said at the conference that they when Neo (the java based server) comes
out, they will continue to provide service packs to ColdFusion 5 (the
current C++ Codebase) for a long period of time. So Allaire seams to be
aware that people like Zac don't want to move a Java Application server.
Let
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From: Jason Egan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java and CF
ok, for us dough heads (I'm probably
From: paul smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java and CF
The performance comparison Allaire demonstrated at the Conference is not
exhaustive, of course, but, for THAT app, Allaire's new Java-based approach
out-performed its existing
you, or
anyone else, recommend cf developers to start preparing for the new version
if they have only ever programmed in CF?
je
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From: paul smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java and CF
The performance
The Java based version of CF will not require you to know anything more than
you need to know currently. However you will probably start hearing a lot
of people talking about Java, and what you could do with it. But let me
assure you will be able to do a lot more with Neo (the cf java engine
would you, or
anyone else, recommend cf developers to start preparing for the new version
if they have only ever programmed in CF?
je
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Can CF use Java the way it can with Jrun with other application servers?
Brandon
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
CF as it exists now, only has limited java integration. CF 4.5 has
CFServlet and CFServletParam tags, which are dependent on the JRun engine
being installed on the server. You can use java class files in much the
same way you'd use COM or CORBA Objects, by mapping them via the CF
Administrator
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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:18 AM
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Subject: Java to cf
I've been handed a site that was written in jhtml using Java,
class, and cgi
for the backend stuff. The task I've been given is to convert this Java
based website
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I've been handed a site that was written in jhtml using Java, class, and
cgi
for the backend stuff. The task I've been given is to convert this Java
based website into a cf site (we
I've been handed a site that was written in jhtml using Java, class, and cgi
for the backend stuff. The task I've been given is to convert this Java
based website into a cf site (we don't support java). Anybody have any
suggestions on how this could be done or if it is even feasible considering
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What is the best way to use Java and CF? I have tried using CFOBJECT but
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