Tom,
Good .NET developers are more expensive than a good CF developer, or at least
that has been my experience.
That is not the argument I would make though, I would use developer
productivity. You can query a database and output the result with two tags or
two lines of code. Compare that
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angencies talk about that there's more, less expensive developers out there
with these other technologies.
Uh huh, but they'll take longer to get stuff done than the more expensive CF
developers.
--
Tom Chiverton
Actually, MySpace launched a new version in the last few weeks, and
it's ASP.NET. Maybe there's still some CF on the back-end somewhere,
but as far as it looks to the public, they're a .NET shop now.
Scott
Now playing on iTunes: Goldfinger - Stalker
Is that a crayola color Gerald? *grin* I was going to ask the same question
hehehe
Eric
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program, they just don't understand American culture and we just don't get
their culture.
Eric
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They're rebranding and reorganizing from scratch. It's driven by the
Marketing
folks and they want my feedback on what we should use, but the angencies
talk
about that there's more, less expensive
Bah I say stand up and be proud ColdFusion is a great platform, CFML is a
great language
Adam, You ROCK!!
BEST Regards,
Gerald the PROUD CFer
PS Gawd do I love CF. He more I learn the more I love it.
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Usually companies don't just spend money for the heck of it. What is it
they are trying to do by re-writing the site from scratch? Do they
perceive it as slow or outdated, or are they looking for more features
of some kind?
~Brad
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A more important question might be why is your company outsourcing the
development of their site when they have an existing development staff?
It could be that they don't respect, or trust, your team enough to allow you
to do the work, or contribute to the discussion? If they're willing to
They're rebranding and reorganizing from scratch. It's driven by the Marketing
folks and they want my feedback on what we should use, but the angencies talk
about that there's more, less expensive developers out there with these other
technologies. They're just trying to sell what their staff
I can understand your comments, but that's not the case at all.
They are looking for an agencies that can work the marketing and branding
perspective. The development would be a very small peice of the puzzle which
is an point I plan on making clear.
We don't own our CF servers. We utilize a
Usually companies don't just spend money for the heck of it.
If only that were true. I see that happening ALL THE TIME.
Often, when a new CIO comes in, he wants to switch to the systems he knows
and trusts, even if there are working solutions in place, just so he can put
his stamp of ownership
I need a list of reputable agencies that use CF.
Color me stupid but what do you mean by agnecies?
What kind of example are you looking for?
G
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Our company, a large nationwide organization is creating an RFP to redo our
entire
The company which I used to work for (it has a very large and very complex
CF application written to manage HR and disability data for Fortune 500
companies) outsourced to India. It was not nearly as successful as one
would have hoped. The people looked good on paper (many with MS in Computer
I need some guidance from someone that's been down this road
before. I don't want us to switch technologies just beacuse
it's what the agencies use. Why aren't there more agencies
using CF?
If you're an agency, you want to maximize labor costs (to the extent that
you can still win
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They're rebranding and reorganizing from scratch. It's driven by the
Marketing
folks and they want my feedback on what we should use, but the angencies
they are afraid of.
~Brad
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Usually companies don't just spend money for the heck of it.
If only that were true. I see that happening
Ben Forta maintains a list of agencies/companies using CF. Not sure how up
to date it is though.
http://www.forta.com/cf/using/
-- Josh
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Their interests are obviously not aligned with yours. You need to be able
to
make the argument that you're going to have to maintain the systems these
agencies build, and so they need to work with your platform. Lots of
companies do this, whether they use CF or not. For example, many
If they are concerned about the developer costs, talk to them
about how fewer developers can achieve more work with
ColdFusion's built-in functionality and how your in-house
staff is already trained in that language and the inner
workings of your company.
The key part of this is the last
It's easy to find
new developers who know PHP or .NET or whatever, not so easy for those
developers to absorb your business rules, which are often not documented
especially well.
Dave is spot on.
Most of our internal processes are done though our Intranet. I mean just
about *everything* except
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They're rebranding and reorganizing from scratch. It's driven by the Marketing
folks and they want my feedback on what we should use
Your marketing people will want new colors, new layout and changes to
the navigation structure of the site. Do they
I agree with Dave and agencies not looking out for a company that they
represents best interests. I often see a consultant brought in, who also pushes
their own agenda. Thats why you really have to have someone in your
organization that understands and keeps up with the latest trends of
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