All I can say is "Please God NO"
Microsoft bashing asside (I use it on my desktop) I really don't want to see
this happen to the MM products, the last thing they need is to be taken from
useful, user friendly tools and turned into bloated, buggy, unstable cr**.
Just my 2p.
--
James Smith
[EM
There is a gem in the article though. This mention:
" The ColdFusion web application server is regarded as superior to Microsoft's
Active Server Pages (ASPs) and even Santa Clara, California-based Sun's Java
Server Pages (JSPs) because of its simplicity, power and completeness.
ColdFusion MX, meanw
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I'll have to kill myself if this happens. Really.
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I'll have to kill myself if this happens. Really.
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If it happens it happens, being a developer I'll use whatever tool's I'm
told to use either by Clients or the company I work for at the time.
As for if MS buys MM personally I can see it happening, based on the
aqusitions its made over the years, and also the fact that the only tools MS
have for w
I'll believe it when I see it. Anyway, if Microsoft has you in their
sights...you know you have to be doing something right.
Of course, Microsoft isn't allowed to distribute any Java technology
without making nice with Sun, because of the lawsuit, and we all know
that isn't going to happen.
So if
Quoting Len Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/28667.html
Last month it was Apple, next month it probably is Adobe (unless
everybody will be busy reporting real news).
Jochem
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Please tell me this isn't true.
Rob
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-Original Message-
From: Len Conrad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MS CF?
http://theregister.co.uk/conten
its not
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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 23 December 2002 17:07
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
Please tell me this isn't true.
Rob
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Ha, from the Robertson-Ravo news source :)
Guess now I *don't* have to sell my Macromedia stock, whew!
Rob
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
its not
-Ori
Yeah, we all know Microsoft isn't profitable right? ;-)
Greg
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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
Ha, from the Robertson-Ravo news source :)
Guess now I *don't* have to sell my
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> Subject: RE: MS CF?
>
>
> Ha, from the Robertson-Ravo news source :)
>
> Guess now I *don't* have to sell my Macromedia stock, whew!
>
> Rob
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROT
MM for a long time...
Vivre la resistance!
Stace
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
I doubt this will happen, Microsoft have no need to look at CF or
Macromedia; its not
is my funny green pieces of paper that we have put value on.
(If you think it's all about the money - I pity you)
Rob
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From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
Why would you sell it? I&#x
bject: RE: MS CF?
Well, welcome to America where you vote means nothing unless there is an
amount of money tied to it. I buy stocks in companies where I like their
business practices, think they have good products, and approve of how they
treat their staff.
Sometimes I loose money, often I make
the Register.
Adam.
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF?
>
>
> Well, welcome to America where you vote means nothing unless
> there is an
> amo
At 01:14 PM 12/23/02 -0500, Luce, Greg wrote:
>The Stock Market is all about money. That's the first rule of investing.
>Buying or selling stocks based on any other ideas is just silly. Good luck
>with that.
Actually, given the number of ethical funds out there, a lot of people
think the way Rob
ies of investing in the stock market. I'm sure there
are plenty of profitable companies that adhere to good business practices.
>Greg
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>To: CF-Talk
>Subject
ssage-
From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
nah - no pitying required :)
So how would selling your MS shares after MM was acquired not be
reinforcing
your opinion below? You would both be voicing your disapproval
are, Inc.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Luce, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:14 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF?
>
> The Stock Market is all about money. That's the first rule of
investing.
>
dam Wayne Lehman
> Web Systems Developer
> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> Distance Education Division
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:22 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Sub
rver
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
You can sit here and complain that MS is the bad guy, but they are not
the company you have put your faith in. I know I have
rk you are doing.
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
Well, welcome
Blah blah Microsoft blah blah Macromedia blah blah Allaire blah blah
Any reason why we can't move this discussion to a different list?
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> MSFT offers developers security? You mean like the VB developers they
> abandoned to launch VB.NET. Or the C++ developers they abandoned for C#.
> Then of course there is the various technologies they hav
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
> You can sit here and complain that MS is the bad guy, but they are not
> the company you have put your faith in. I know I have the unpopular view
> on this list as anti-MM, but I can tell you that if MS owned Flash, you
> wouldn't have to worry about it being sold agai
Can we hold you you to that? Pretty bold statement IMHO...
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From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
:> http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/28667.html
I'll have to kill myself
cromedia will sell me down the river if it can make them a profit.
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:51 PM
Because it's the Register, and they like to make up stuff :)
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: MS CF?
> Here is a question.
> Why is it that no other news outlet is reporting this? I mea
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:12 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: MS CF?
>
> Here is a question.
> Why is it that no other news outlet is reporting this? I mean, I go to
the
> following sites, and these are the only stories I can find that
mention M$
> and MM in the same story:
&
> VB developers who were abandoned? I felt no more abandoned by .NET
than
> I did with CFMX. It's just a progression. It's an evolution. I mean
CF5
> to CFMX was a much bigger gap and the progression from VB to VB.NET.
You
> act as if VB and C++ don't exist. Not too mention C# is not a
> replacemen
kins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
> VB developers who were abandoned? I felt no more abandoned by .NET
than
>
Kinda.. That is unless they simply decided to scrap it in favor of the
next "best thing since sliced bread" in which case it'd be dead forever.
Of course, you could always go back to school.. ;)
| You can sit here and complain that MS is the bad guy, but
| they are not the company you have put yo
LOL!
| I can see it now
| "DreamPage" or "FrontWeaver"
| can u imagine what would happen to DWMX if it fell into MS
| hands??? Talk about security break down
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| From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:51 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: MS CF?
|
|
| MSFT offers developers security? You mean like the VB
| developers they abandoned to launch VB.NET. Or the C
WOW! Was it THAT low? I didn't look at that. Hmm...
| -Original Message-
| From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:46 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: MS CF?
|
|
| Indeed. While I may like Macromedia products, people,
| business prac
e-
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
Matt,
>C is a procedural language, C++ is an
>object-oriented language, and C# is an object-oriented garbage
collected
>virtual machine based language.
m: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:44 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: MS CF?
>>
>>You can sit here and complain that MS is the bad guy, but they are not
>>the company you have put your faith in. I know I have the un
ows servers out there, they have a
>lot to prove first.
>Remember the saying:
>Money can buy a lot of things in this world, just not a secure windows
>server
>
>Dave
>
>
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>From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent
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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
..
I think of myself as an artist (sometimes my
> I hate to put my .02 in on OT, but... MS didn't abondon VB or C++
> programmers with .NET. Yes, they changed VB to more closely resemble
an
> OOP language (still needs work).
>
Any changed some of the syntax and much of the semantics in the process.
VB6 and VB.NET are light years apart. Survey sh
Ha Ha, that is the coolest thing I have seen in a long time
:D
Rob
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ust silly. Good luck
with that.
Greg
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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
Well, welcome to America where you vote means nothing unless there is an
amount of money tied to it. I buy stocks i
Original Message ---
You can sit here and complain that MS is the bad guy, but they are not
the company you have put your faith in. I know I have the unpopular view
on this list as anti-MM, but I can tell you that if MS owned Flash, you
wouldn't have to worry about it being sold
Hi John,
Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
(java1, b
patible to plug in
to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.
Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.
-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
Hi John,
Und
bh. I've been trying to
learn java for a few months on and off, some days I feel I'm actually
starting to get there, others I feel like I'm nowhere near.
Anyway, have fun, java is certainly cool.
Craig.
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From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent
y 101
WG
> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 12:11
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Thanks Craig,
> //however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
> yea been thinking a
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Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
Nah, it won't leave you with any incompatibilities, simply download and
install sun's jre's, don't even consider using an MS VM and you can't
really go wrong.
As far as COM goes, you can do p
Lol, yes it is to me.
-Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 12:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
//I've been trying to
//learn java for a few months on and off, some days I feel I'm actually
//starting to get there
, not MS.
> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:11 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Thanks Craig,
> //however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
> y
se my better judgement and steer towards the
gorilla.
-Original Message-
From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 14:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
You guys are all seriously confused.
All MS is doing is *not* including an implementation of Java with the
That's pretty much what I said, so how am I confused?
-Original Message-
From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 14:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
You guys are all seriously confused.
All MS is doing is *not* including an implementation of
a full implementation of Java.
>
> It is up to *Sun* to support any Microsoft OSs with Java, not MS.
>
>
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>>From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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>>Subject: R
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From: Luce, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF?
The Stock Market is all about money. That's the first rule of investing.
Buying or selling stocks based on any other ideas is just silly. Good luck
with tha
gh. Perhaps that explains some
things. Throughout the 90s I wondered how "everyone" was winning. Now I see
there is a whole other segment. I wondered who was losing.
Greg
-Original Message-
From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:33 PM
To:
Where are all the "winners" now?
Rob
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From: Luce, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF? (getting OT)
I could ask the guys on the trading floor for their opinion, but I don't
think I hav
A final note - then I'll stop provoking - I offer two pieces of advice:
1) read the "Millionaire next door"
2) When dealing in investing, be wearing of trusting someone who would sink
$60,000 - $80,000 on a depreciating asset (their car).
:)
You guys are fun!
Rob
~~
2002 1:52 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF? (getting OT)
>
> Where are all the "winners" now?
>
> Rob
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Luce, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Su
Just say that the next time someone starts complaining about your comments.
M
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF? (getting OT)
We sold off our equity positions in 2000 and moved the
Heh.. He's got a point.
| -Original Message-
| From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:02 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: MS CF? (getting OT)
|
|
| A final note - then I'll stop provoking - I offer two pieces
| of advice:
|
| 1
Ok, you're not confused, I am :)
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From: Craig Dudley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:46 am
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
> That's pretty much what I said, so how am I confused?
>
> -Original Message-
> Fr
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> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:52 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF? (getting OT)
>
> Where are all the "winners" now?
>
> Rob
&g
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 4:08 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: RE: MS CF? (getting OT)
>
> I don't remember the exact reasoning (something to do with the value
of
> bonds and the rates they mature at being tied to
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> From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:21 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF?
>
>
> At 01:14 PM 12/23/02 -0500, Luce, Greg wrote:
> >The Stock Market is all about money. That's the first rule
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