QOS on 2621xm [7:61353]

Hi We would like to prioritize incoming traffic on our 256k internet link to uunet .We need to give telnet at least 64k incoming bandwidth. Any ideas on the best way to do this ? Thanks in advance Julian Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61353t=61353

backup to line ISP [7:61355]

Hello I need to find a way if our frame -relay to ISP went down auto switch to DSL for redundency. Thank you for any thoughts, George Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61355t=61355 -- FAQ, list archives, and

RE: CCNP BOOKS [7:61303]

Thanks a lot Kenan. Really appreciate your help. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61356t=61303 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and

RE: QOS on 2621xm [7:61353]

You will need to QoS on both sides of the link. Your side should be fine, but good luck with the ISP side. I would use the diffserve bits as well as bandwidth allocation using policy maps. Andrew -Original Message- From: Julian P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 January 2003 10:02 To:

Re: backup to line ISP [7:61355]

well a quick dirty way is to default to the dsl router with a higher metric.. Bri - Original Message - From: GeorgeB To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:44 AM Subject: backup to line ISP [7:61355] Hello I need to find a way if our frame -relay to ISP went down auto switch

Token Ring/HSRP Question [7:61359]

Hi Guys I'm going to a client's site that has a 2513 router with 11.3(11a) IOS (image is c2500-ds-l_113-11a.bin). 2 things: I'm looking to set up HSRP on the router, should I have any issues with that level of software ?Also are there an issues I should be aware of when configuring HSRP on token

Re: IP accounting question [7:61350]

hi, 1-right... 2-you can do this by writing script ...for example in a different linux pc (perl script or someting else..) Richard Campbell wrote: Hi.. For example, if I have a router with two interface, ethernet0 and serial0. If I only turn on the IP accounting at serial0 not ethernet0.

jeff's routing tcp/ip v1 question [7:61360]

For Jeff's routing tcp/ip V1 book, page 214 and 215 . There is a secondly ip address , for rip version 1 because of the discontinues 10.0.0.0. So why there is only one route to 10.33.48.0 , and two route to 192.168.83.0 in the routing table of Ernest_T ? Message Posted at:

ciscoworks2000 [7:61362]

hi ciscobuddy's how r u doing all? i phasing 1 problem at the time of CiscoWorks2000 installation.. i installed cd1 and campusmanager 3.1. install patch for CD1. at the time of Discovery icisco devices getting unreachable.. Trying to discover 6509 3 core switch's. 1 ore switch is VTP Server

RE: CCNP BOOKS [7:61303]

I'd say buy new books , cause there might be one or two questions NOT in the old books which you have not studied , and then you play the guessing game , which is no good :) -Original Message- From: Nsikan Ntia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:32 PM To: [EMAIL

Pre-routing [7:61364]

Hi, I have one router cisco 7200, and two conexions to the other two routers. Conexion a: point-to-point Conexion b: ATM I want that one pc to the lan of 7200 route to the atm interface but the interface point-to-point have configured eigrp. Somebody can help me, I think that the solution is

RE: QOS on 2621xm [7:61353]

In QoS now, there is more than just setting the bandwidth allocated to each class. What you need to do is combine this with the diffserv bit. This is basically the newer version of the TOS bit in the IP header that defines what sort of service happens to the packet. In a nut shell, this means

Ping [7:61366]

Hi, All times i try to ping an interface when has changed interface status to up (no shutdown), first packet of ping is lost don´t receive sucessful for first packet. In all equipaments cisco found this error when configure a new router or switch. Anyone people has found this error

RE: Ping [7:61366]

I don't think it's an error. The first packet is probably lost while the router or switch is performing an arp request. That takes a second or two to come back, then the pings are successful. If you ping again (immediately after the first time when you loose one packet) you shouldn't see any

Re: Ping [7:61366]

The first PING is lost because the source system is performing an ARP request. The ARP information, once obtained, is cached (remembered) for a small amount of time. Successive Pings to the host should show all four replies. Hope this helps, Lance Eduardo Perestrelo wrote in message [EMAIL

Re: backup to line ISP [7:61355]

What does the DSL line terminate into? Cisco 800 series? Lance GeorgeB wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello I need to find a way if our frame -relay to ISP went down auto switch to DSL for redundency. Thank you for any thoughts, George Message Posted

Re: Pre-routing [7:61364]

This sounds like you want to use Policy-based routing. You want all the traffic from the PC on the ethernet interface of the 7200 to be routed out the ATM interface? Is this correct? Lance Domingo Ferrero wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I have one router

Re: Enterprise Design Probelm / Study [7:61351]

I would say your dance card is full for the next few months. Good Luck Lance The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Have I got a good one! Just got through reading an RFP for a large organization. Over 30 sites, 12,000 ports, and 2000

Re: Study group Amsterdam, The Netherlands [7:61347]

Can I come over a study. I would love to visit Amsterdam. :) Lance mjans001 wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anybody interested in forming a RS LAB study group in The Netherlands, Amsterdam. Have no date, aiming on

RE: Pre-routing [7:61364]

Policy based routing is the answer - use route-maps and access control lists. That should be everything you need Andrew Hi, I have one router cisco 7200, and two conexions to the other two routers. Conexion a: point-to-point Conexion b: ATM I want that one pc to the lan of 7200 route to

RE: Enterprise Design Probelm / Study [7:61351]

Good luck!!! The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Have I got a good one! Just got through reading an RFP for a large organization. Over 30 sites, 12,000 ports, and 2000 phones. Complete rebuild of the network LAN and WAN infrastructure. Add

Re: Pre-routing [7:61364]

Hi, This is correct. You have one solution? Thanks and regards, -- --- Domingo Ferrero Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept. Sistemas, IdecNet S.A. c/ Guzman el Bueno 125 Madrid-Spain Tfn: +34 91 824 00 00 http://www.idecnet.com --- Captain Lance escribis en el mensaje [EMAIL

RE: Ping [7:61366]

This isn't a Cisco issue, but the byproduct of a missing new entry in the ARP table. You may know the layer 3 address for this new interface and the router may know how to route it (i.e. this subnet exists off of this interface), but it does not yet have the layer 2 address needed for final

config-register error [7:61377]

I was doing a password reset and went into rommon mode. Instead of typing 0x2142 at the rommon prompt I typed 0x4142. Now when I reload the power cycle I can't get any prompt on the console screen. I know its not a problem with Hyper Terminal. Has anybody got any suggestions.thanks...

RE: Traceroute troubles [7:61247]

Guys, Have anybody figured this out.I seem to go nowhere thinking about this.. Your help appreciated as i am loosing sleep. Thanks -Original Message- From: Kumar, N K. Satish, NSPM Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Traceroute

Re: Pre-routing [7:61364]

Yes, the solution is policy based routing. Its not very difficult. You define access-lists to identify the traffic you want to policy route. Use route-maps to force the traffic out the desired network/interface. Here is a link to Cisco's documentation: (watch the wrap)

Re: config-register error [7:61377]

hi, probably your router default console rate is changed you can try different hyperterminal rate different than 9600 for example 1200,2400 and the others... Dunne Rory wrote: I was doing a password reset and went into rommon mode. Instead of typing 0x2142 at the rommon prompt I typed 0x4142.

isdn guard-timer [7:61381]

I am configuring a cisco 801 for my lab and I have theisdn guard-timer 0 on-expiry accept under my bri 0. I have been checking cco and they mention how to get rid of it using the no call guard-timer command. Well this has not worked and I cannot seem to find a no isdn guard-timer command or

Re: backup to line ISP [7:61355]

If your using an 800 you can run rip and with the right uploads, EIGRP or install an ADSL WIC in a real router:) Dave Captain Lance wrote: What does the DSL line terminate into? Cisco 800 series? Lance GeorgeB wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

OT: Making data centers HIPAA compliant - what is required - [7:61383]

Sorry for the OT post, but have searched high and low, and no definite answer in site. Really, really apoliogize for the nontechnical nature of this post, but I have reached a wall after searching all over for an answer. I guess you could say that I am ill with searching... HIPAA is an medical

RE: Passed DQoS [7:59951]

For CIPT, you coud study the Cisco IP Telephony from David Lovell published by Cisco Press. It is mainly on Cisco Call Manager. I am studying with it. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61384t=59951 -- FAQ, list

RE: config-register error [7:61377]

Dunne Rory wrote: I was doing a password reset and went into rommon mode. Instead of typing 0x2142 at the rommon prompt I typed 0x4142. Now when I reload the power cycle I can't get any prompt on the console screen. I know its not a problem with Hyper Terminal. Has anybody got any

Re: backup to line ISP [7:61355]

backup line is cabel modem not dsl and its cisco Br80x, other router (frame is non cisco router (Adtran) George GeorgeB wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello I need to find a way if our frame -relay to ISP went down auto switch to DSL for redundency. Thank you

Re: backup to line ISP [7:61355]

Adtran makes routers? GeorgeB wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... backup line is cabel modem not dsl and its cisco Br80x, other router (frame is non cisco router (Adtran) George GeorgeB wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello I

CCNP passed today [7:61388]

thx guys for all the valued input!! great help this group is!! all keep up the great work :) For more information about Barclays Capital, please visit our web site at http://www.barcap.com. Internet communications are

RE: OT: Making data centers HIPAA compliant - what is [7:61383]

Charles Riley wrote: Sorry for the OT post, but have searched high and low, and no No problem. I don't think it's really OT. HIPAA is going to have a big affect on many data networks. I'm surprised that you say there isn't information available on how to become HIPAA compliant. There's a lot,

Re: Passed DQoS [7:59951]

Ricardo Pedraza wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... For CIPT, you coud study the Cisco IP Telephony from David Lovell published by Cisco Press. It is mainly on Cisco Call Manager. I am studying with it. you could also pray a lot that you don't get too many of the

RE: Traceroute troubles [7:61247]

Your question isn't clear. Maybe you could start over in a new thread and explain your question clearly, if the following info doesn't help. Once a thread gets this old, a lot of people ignore it. ;-) However, I think I understand your confusion. You are worried because Cisco and UNIX use a UDP

Cat 3550 basic config information [7:61392]

came across this one the other day. I believe it was prepared by someone inside Cisco. I did not find any copyright notices, so I am assuming it is ok to post here. for details as to what all these things really mean, check out the Cisco documentation, as well as any number of other resources,

vlan on a 3548 catalyst [7:61393]

Can I assign multiple ports to a vlan in one swoop rather than each one individually? IOS on a 3548XL Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61393t=61393 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:

Re: OT: Making data centers HIPAA compliant - what is [7:61395]

Priscilla, Thank you for the reply. I had actually already checked most of these sites here. There is a great focus on getting the providers into compliance, but very little information about certifiying the networks, servers, storage devices, and other infrastructure used to support in

cisco 2600 rtr [7:61394]

I have a 2620 rtr and would like to debug the traffic of a particular ip but the only way I know to do it is byu the following: debug ip packet 101 where 101 is an acl that says ermit ip any any. Is there a better way to do this so that it only logs that particular ip top the screen rather than

Re: OT: Making data centers HIPAA compliant - what is [7:61396]

Thanks to Priscilla, I think the below may be what I was looking for...more reading before I make a final determination. http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/nprm/seclist.htm Thanks! Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Charles Riley wrote: Sorry

Re: CCNP passed today [7:61388]

Congrats Ken!! Lance wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... thx guys for all the valued input!! great help this group is!! all keep up the great work :) For more information about Barclays

vlan on a 3548 catalyst [7:61398]

Bob Perez wrote in message news:... Can I assign multiple ports to a vlan in one swoop rather than each one individually? IOS on a 3548XL Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61398t=61398 -- FAQ, list archives,

FW: cisco 2600 rtr [7:61399]

Bob Perez wrote in message news:... I have a 2620 rtr and would like to debug the traffic of a particular ip but the only way I know to do it is byu the following: debug ip packet 101 where 101 is an acl that says ermit ip any any. Is there a better way to do this so that it only logs

RE: Token Ring/HSRP Question [7:61359]

HSRP has been supported for a long time, even on Token Ring. It was supported in 11.3, I think in all varieties, but you would have to check for sure in the Release Notes to see if your particular image supports it, but I bet it does. You can find documentation for Cisco's older versions of IOS

Re: Enterprise Design Probelm / Study [7:61351]

Consider yourself lucky, that's a great thing you get to work on a project of that scale, especially if you get to be one of the major players in putting the puzzle together. I wish I could be part of it as well. Good luck ! The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL

Re: Token Ring/HSRP Question [7:61359]

On Monday 20 January 2003 03:12 pm, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: HSRP has been supported for a long time, even on Token Ring. It was supported in 11.3, I think in all varieties, but you would have to check for sure in the Release Notes to see if your particular image supports it, but I bet it

Re: frame relay stumper [7:60567]

I would do a SHOW FRAME RELAY PVC and see if the pvc is active. Also ensure that the IP's have the same subnet and configure the LMI type so that it matches on both ends. Possible even contact you Frame provider to see what type of LMI the switch supports. vikramjskeer wrote in message

Re: vlan on a 3548 catalyst [7:61393]

Only if your IOS version supports the interface range command. I know it's on our 2950's and 3550's. Not sure about the 3500XL. Ken Bob Perez 01/20/03 12:04PM Can I assign multiple ports to a vlan in one swoop rather than each one individually? IOS on a 3548XL Message Posted at:

Re: OT: Making data centers HIPAA compliant - what is [7:61407]

I work with a few hospitals and my understanding, very basic, is that there are a couple of HIPAA components, privacy and security. Currently there are guidelines for compliance and they are working on audits but I think they are finding this not an easy task, judging compliance. my $.0002

Re: Enterprise Design Probelm / Study [7:61351]

Weeks, ha!!! months or more!! Dave The thrill of the design is something else. Customer wants a centralized Call Manager, but also wants certainty in case of failure at any of the usual places. This oughta keep me out of trouble for a few weeks. TTFN Chuck -- TANSTAAFL there ain't no

Re: vlan on a 3548 catalyst [7:61398]

I don't have a 3548 to look at but does it supoort the interface range command? if so yes you do have the one swoop capability. Dave Robert Perez wrote: Bob Perez wrote in message news:... Can I assign multiple ports to a vlan in one swoop rather than each one individually? IOS on a

Re: vlan on a 3548 catalyst [7:61398]

Bob I think the command you want is int range first -last in global config mode. eg switch# config term switch(config)# interface range fastethernet0/1 -fastethernet0/12 (or something similar as I dont have an IOS switch to hand right now) Then just configure the

RE: ciscoworks2000 [7:61362]

Have you checked the following? In Cisco Works menuscreen, did you go to Server Configuration - Setup - ANI Server Admin - SNMP Settings and you will see the following screen: Modify SNMP Settings # Enter the community string using this syntax: #

RE: PIX NAT bypass [7:61338]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/iaabu/pix/pix_62/cmdref/mr.htm#1032129 Usage Guidelines The nat command lets you enable or disable address translation for one or more internal addresses. Address translation means that when a host

Loading IOS [7:61413]

I am curious to know if it is possible to load 3660 IOS code to a PCMCIA card on a 3640 if all I am wanting to do is get the IOS on the flash card. I am not trying to load the 3640 router with the 3660 IOS. I am just in need of getting this IOS for a 3660 on a flash card but I dont have a 3660

Re: CCIE program [7:61405]

John I looked at them some time back (early last year). I wasnt that impressed. My impression was that they had a very expensive program that you could get a discount on if you committed yourself to working for them for practically nothing for a year or two. However the thing that really

Re: Traceroute troubles [7:61247]

Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: Here's how it works, from my book Troubleshooting Campus Networks, that everyone should get, especially if you are studying for the Support test for CCNP. It covers all topics for that test. Hey, my publisher won't do any marketing for me. I'll have to do it

Re: Loading IOS [7:61413]

No Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious to know if it is possible to load 3660 IOS code to a PCMCIA card on a 3640 if all I am wanting to do is get the IOS on the flash card. I am not trying to load the 3640 router with the 3660 IOS. I am just in need of getting this IOS for a

Re: vlan on a 3548 catalyst [7:61398]

Its not available on this version of software on the 3548 I use for my lab... the version is listed below Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) C3500XL Software (C3500XL-C3H2S-M), Version 12.0(5.2)XU, MAINTENANCE INTERIM SOFTWARE Larry Letterman Network Engineer Cisco Systems

Re: Loading IOS [7:61413]

If the flash cards are compatible in each of the platforms, you can copy it Not all cisco platforms use the same cards Larry Letterman Network Engineer Cisco Systems - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: Loading IOS [7:61413] I am

Re: Traceroute troubles [7:61247]

Tom, That means you now work for Priscilla's marketing dept. Hope she pays you well.:) -- Larry Letterman Network Engineer Cisco Systems Tom Lisa wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: Here's how it works, from my book

RE: QOS on 2621xm [7:61353]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You may need to use Priority Queueing, and hardcode telnet High prio based on an access-list. Normal traffic despools after telnet queue is empty. If you are sure that there will always be bandwitfh left for other traffic, PQ will do fine. That is

RE: Enterprise Design Probelm / Study [7:61351]

Sounds terrific! It would make an excellent running case study for a network design book. :-) Seriously, if something like that would be feasible (politically, etc.) and you would be interested in participating in something of this nature, contact me offline. Thanks and good luck with the project!

RE: Loading IOS [7:61413]

Dave, I actually had a similar concern a few weeks ago. According to this link, it IS in fact possible for Mario to do so, because all 3600 routers appear to use filesystem class B. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/63/pcmciamatrix.html Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Traceroute troubles [7:61247]

Well, considering what she's probably getting paid for writing it, I doubt it. :( So, Priscilla (please note I didn't use any of the prohibited abreviations; wouldn't want to upset the boss), based on the hours you put in writing it, how many cents per hour are you making? Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI

RE: Loading IOS [7:61413]

I recall years ago that 3Com had a utility that allowed you to place the card in your laptop, reformat the filesystem, then copy the image to it. If there is there a similar utility for Cisco, I'd be interested to know. Rik -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: QOS on 2621xm [7:61353]

What would he do if he had a FR link to a remote site and he wanted to ensure his high priority traffic was sent without DE, whilst low priority traffic can burst and be sent as DE - does FRTS (for Telnet only) solve this problem (if that can be done)? Rik -Original Message- From:

RE: Making data centers HIPAA compliant - what is required - [7:61427]

Charles, Check out the Horses mouth: http://www.cms.hhs.gov/hipaa/ Ciscos take on HIPAA: http://www.cisco.com/go/hipaa -- David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Riley Sent:

Re: Traceroute troubles [7:61247]

Tom Lisa wrote: Well, considering what she's probably getting paid for writing it, I doubt it. :( So, Priscilla (please note I didn't use any of the prohibited abreviations; wouldn't want to upset the boss), based on the hours you put in writing it, how many cents per hour are you

Re: OT: Making data centers HIPAA compliant - what is required [7:61429]

At 5:23 PM + 1/20/03, Charles Riley wrote: Sorry for the OT post, but have searched high and low, and no definite answer in site. Really, really apoliogize for the nontechnical nature of this post, but I have reached a wall after searching all over for an answer. I guess you could say that I

Looking for Cisco practice rack [7:61430]

Anyone know of a good Cisco practice rack? I haven't seen one that meets my needs for the CCIE. Thx. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61430t=61430

Traffic separate by protocol [7:61431]

How i separe traffic in my 2600 router by protocol. Ex: I have a frame-relay circuit of 64Kb cir 32Kb and i wnat to have: 10Kb for http 10Kb for smtp/pop3 5Kb for ftp and the remain for all others. How i make this configuration ?? i must to make in the concentrator router or in all routers on my

Hostflapping on 4006 catalyst [7:61432]

wp378895Hi All, can some one please explain this error ? %C4K_EBM-4-HOSTFLAPPING: Host 00:10:0B:10:B9:20 in vlan 200 is flapping between port gi2 and port gi1 wp378896Workaround: None. (CSCdy21031) * wp378897When the spanning tree mode is PVST, isolated trunk ports transmit BPDUs with

Routes across ISIS areas. [7:61433]

Hi all, I have a scenario like this : Area 1 Area 2 R1 R2 s2/0.1 s2/0.1 Both are point to point networks. The configuration for R1 is int s2/0.1

RE: wannabe CCIEs in Bangalore, India [7:60790]

hi pls conract me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] iam planning to my lab exam.. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61434t=60790 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report

Re: Routes across ISIS areas. [7:61433]

Rajesh, 47.0001 will not form an adjacency with 47.0002. For them to exchange L1 routes you need to change their ISIS Area IDs in their NET so they're in the same area. Alternatively you could insert a third router as an L2, and leak your routes from the L2 into the L1s. You'll also need

Re: Traceroute troubles [7:61247]

I also recommend it to our entry level/ccdp candidates and I believe several have went and got it. I try and promote your work and resources when i can. Larry Letterman Network Engineer Cisco Systems - Original Message - From: Priscilla Oppenheimer To: Sent: Monday, January 20,

RE: Loading IOS [7:61413]

I know that there was a utility a long time ago (in a galaxy far far away!!) for Nortel / Bay that worked great with win 95. Who still uses that :) -Original Message- From: Larkin, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 21 January 2003 02:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Loading

RS LAB Study group - TURKEY [7:61438]

Hello (Merhaba) Are the any guys in this group living around Istanbul and preparing for = the LAB. I find it difficult to motivate myself for the LAB study and if = you like we can form a group for working together and sharing knowledge. Bye.. (Digerlerine ayip olmasin diye Turkce yazmadim :)