10 half or 100 full [7:64931]

2003-03-10 Thread Mike Momb
To all, We recently replaced our Nortel switches and routers with Cisco 2980 switches and 6509 routers. We have two buildings, 10 floors each and a router in each building. We have a combination of NT and Novell servers. After replacing all this equipment, we have noticed that when we access f

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2003-03-10 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Mike Momb wrote: > > To all, > > We recently replaced our Nortel switches and routers with Cisco > 2980 switches and 6509 routers. We have two buildings, 10 > floors each and a router in each building. We have a > combination of NT and Novell servers. After replacing all > this equipment, we

RE: 10 half or 100 full [7:64931]

2003-03-10 Thread John Neiberger
I wanted to mention that we've been in the process of upgrading our switches, as well, and I discovered that since we've started using the new Cisco switches we've been having all sorts of problems getting the speed and duplex settings set correctly. We've discovered that if you have relatively ne

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2003-03-10 Thread Scott Roberts
if I understand what you're saying, I think its always been like that, cisco hasn't changed it. you're refering to the fact that the IOS switch don't let you change the speed? I think thats strange also, the set based switch can allow you to change speed, but after the IOS "upgrading" of switches

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2003-03-10 Thread John Neiberger
No, that's not at all what I was referring to. I'm speaking of the behavior of switch interfaces when they're set to AUTO. Nortel switches (at least the ones that we used) and some older Cisco switches like the 2924XL seemed to behave like Option #1 below, while the 2950 behaves like Option #2.

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2003-03-10 Thread Scott Roberts
I see what you're saying now. what would be nice to see is what traffic there is on a protocol analyzer. I would think that #2 should be the situation and your #1 is not the proper negotiation. I've never tried to cpature auttonegotiation with an analyzer before, I wonder if you can even capture t

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2003-03-10 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Scott Roberts wrote: > > if I understand what you're saying, I think its always been > like that, cisco > hasn't changed it. What he's saying is that if you manually configure the duplex mode, the IEEE standards don't say if the port should participate in autonegotiation or not. Since there's no

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2003-03-10 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Scott Roberts wrote: > > I see what you're saying now. what would be nice to see is what > traffic > there is on a protocol analyzer. I would think that #2 should > be the > situation and your #1 is not the proper negotiation. > > I've never tried to cpature auttonegotiation with an analyzer > be

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2003-03-10 Thread John Neiberger
The problem is that neither behavior is proper! :-) The only method mentioned in the standard is autonegotiation. Any other setting, including manually setting the speed and duplex, is non-standard and undefined. I'm not aware of the frame-level details of Nway negotiation so I'm not sure what

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2003-03-10 Thread Karagozian Sarkis
Hi Mike, all I have come accress this problem when connecting Novell Servers/Clients to Cisco switches, the solution is two things. 1/ enable spantree portfast on these cisco ports by: set spantree portfast 6/3 enable But be carefull this is good idea only for ports connecting to a single host i

RE: 10 half or 100 full [7:64931]

2003-03-10 Thread John Neiberger
e because it's bound to sneak up on you sooner or later. John > >-Original Message- >From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 2:59 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: 10 half or 100 full [7:64931] > >The problem is tha

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2003-03-11 Thread Colin Weiner
I had a similar problem w/ some older Netware 5.x servers and a new HP Procurve 4100gl switch. When I would set the speed/duplex manually on the switch to match what the NetWare server was(100/Full), it was painfully slow. When I set the switch port back to auto, everything was fine. The servers we

Re: 10 half or 100 full [7:64931]

2003-03-11 Thread John Neiberger
We have quite a mix of NT/Novell/Sun servers. As for the Sun servers, over half are set to auto. With those, we've only changed the settings when we had an issue. With the Intel-based servers and workstations we've moved most of them to auto. We've had a few machines with older NICs where auto

RE: 10 half or 100 full [7:64931]

2003-03-11 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
am I missing. > > -Original Message- > From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 2:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: 10 half or 100 full [7:64931] > > The problem is that neither behavior is proper! :-) The on

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2003-03-11 Thread Sam Sneed
Are these Sun or Microsoft Intel servers you're running into? Its been my experience with Sun servers to NEVER set them to auto. They almost never work properly with auto set with both Cisco and Extreme switches. Manaully setting them, to full 100Mbits does wonders to clear this problem up. ""J

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2003-03-11 Thread John Neiberger
>Elijah Savage wrote: >> >> I have been trying to follow this, and I still do not see why >> we should >> get away from the old Cisco switch courses that if you set both >> sides to >> 100 full duplex if they are capable you will be fine. I have >> not seen >> any situation where hard setting both

RE: 10 half or 100 full [7:64931]

2003-03-11 Thread Elijah Savage
_tech_note 09186a00800a7af0.shtml#gen_tr_10_100 This link gives specific NIC cards and certain issues and also the Bug ID's. -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 10 half or 100 full [7

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2003-03-11 Thread Sam Sneed
I see interesting, most of my sun servers are over 2 years old. You say newer cisco switches should be set to auto first then manual if you have problems. Do you mean newer as in version of IOS, OS or newer physical hardware? ""John Neiberger"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > We have qu

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2003-03-12 Thread Lauren Child
Has anyone had this problem on a piece of Cisco kit that wasnt a 2950, and if so was it CatOS or IOS. Im wondering if its an IOS bug or that model switch rather than a generic problem. It would be interesting to see the behavior of a 6500 running CatOS and IOS and see if the behavior is the same.

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2003-03-12 Thread John Neiberger
Interestingly, just now I fixed a problem with a Sun Netra server that was set to autonegotiate. It was connected to a 6500 that was hard-set to 100/Full. Since manually setting the speed on a 6500 disables participation in autonegotiation, the server was choosing 100/Half instead of 100/Full. S

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2003-03-12 Thread Larry Letterman
erger To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: Re: 10 half or 100 full [7:64931] Interestingly, just now I fixed a problem with a Sun Netra server that was set to autonegotiate. It was connected to a 6500 that was hard-set to 100/Full. Since manually se