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At 02:44 PM 5/13/02, Mike Mandulak wrote:
Lamme's CCNA study guide states that the courde and exam only covers
distance-vector
, bounded updates.
JMcL
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At 6:42 PM -0400 5/13/02, Rick wrote:
Priscilla,
I hate to differ with you on this Hybrid or not but the source says
it is considered
At 6:42 PM -0400 5/13/02, Rick wrote:
Priscilla,
I hate to differ with you on this Hybrid or not but the source says
it is considered a Hybrid routing Protocol. check the link for yourself
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/en_igrp.htm
I myself am not a fan Lammle, but on
EIGRP does use poison reverse, and that's more evidence of its
distance-vector behavior.
I think I have been excluded again. I wish the proctor would let me back
in! :-()
Priscilla
At 12:15 AM 5/14/02, Michael L. Williams wrote:
I agree with Kent. Although the link you (Rick) provided
Forgot to send this to list as well.
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Lammle refers to EIGRP as being a Hybrid of distance-vector and link
state
At 4:25 PM -0400 5/13/02, Logan, Harold wrote:
You're right about IGRP still being listed on the CCNA objectives. While
I've sometimes found it frustrating to teach an outdated protocol, IGRP is
useful as a teaching tool. With IGRP you can easily demonstrate the concept
of composite metrics,
, but as a collector of odd protocols, I am
certain I recall correctly..
Chuck
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Priscilla,
I hate to differ with you
At 4:25 PM -0400 5/13/02, Logan, Harold wrote:
You're right about IGRP still being listed on the CCNA objectives. While
I've sometimes found it frustrating to teach an outdated protocol, IGRP is
useful as a teaching tool. With IGRP you can easily demonstrate the concept
of composite metrics,
At 4:41 PM -0400 5/13/02, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
At 04:13 PM 5/13/02, Mike Mandulak wrote:
Lammle refers to EIGRP as being a Hybrid of distance-vector and link
state.
This is a confusion caused by Cisco marketing, partially because they
associated update-only protocols with a hello
: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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, not marketing or a throwaway line in courseware,
definition of what a hybrid protocol is.
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: Rick
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Priscilla,
I hate to differ with you on this Hybrid or not but the source says
it is considered a Hybrid routing Protocol. check the link for yourself
http://www.cisco.com
At 4:25 PM -0400 5/13/02, Logan, Harold wrote:
You're right about IGRP still being listed on the CCNA objectives. While
I've sometimes found it frustrating to teach an outdated protocol, IGRP is
useful as a teaching tool. With IGRP you can easily demonstrate the concept
of composite metrics,
, not marketing or a throwaway line in courseware,
definition of what a hybrid protocol is.
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At 6:42 PM -0400 5/13/02, Rick
At 4:41 PM -0400 5/13/02, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
At 04:13 PM 5/13/02, Mike Mandulak wrote:
Lammle refers to EIGRP as being a Hybrid of distance-vector and link
state.
This is a confusion caused by Cisco marketing, partially because they
associated update-only protocols with a hello
, not marketing or a throwaway line in courseware,
definition of what a hybrid protocol is.
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At 6:42 PM -0400 5/13/02, Rick
Personally, when I'm teaching beginning IP, I start with binary, and
then VLSM/CIDR becomes a natural idea. I then introduce dotted
decimal, and only as an afterthought mention classes. Works well
whenever I've tried it.
This is of course natural, but have you ever wandered how it
At 4:25 PM -0400 5/13/02, Logan, Harold wrote:
You're right about IGRP still being listed on the CCNA objectives. While
I've sometimes found it frustrating to teach an outdated protocol, IGRP is
useful as a teaching tool. With IGRP you can easily demonstrate the concept
of composite metrics,
He only gives a brief mention of EIGRP and says to refer to the CCNP
study
guide for more info.
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: Rick
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Priscilla,
I hate to differ with you on this Hybrid or not but the source says
it is considered a Hybrid routing Protocol. check the link for yourself
http://www.cisco.com
At 4:47 AM -0400 5/14/02, Ouellette, Tim wrote:
Below is some information that i've pulled from Cisco.com
Summary
Cisco Systems's EIGRP is one of the most feature-rich and robust routing
protocols to ever be developed. Its unique combination of features blends
the best attributes of distance
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From: Rick
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Priscilla,
I hate to differ with you on this Hybrid or not but the source says
it is considered a Hybrid routing Protocol. check the link for yourself
http://www.cisco.com
At 7:04 AM -0400 5/14/02, Marko Milivojevic wrote:
Personally, when I'm teaching beginning IP, I start with binary, and
then VLSM/CIDR becomes a natural idea. I then introduce dotted
decimal, and only as an afterthought mention classes. Works well
whenever I've tried it.
This is
At 4:41 PM -0400 5/13/02, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
At 04:13 PM 5/13/02, Mike Mandulak wrote:
Lammle refers to EIGRP as being a Hybrid of distance-vector and link
state.
This is a confusion caused by Cisco marketing, partially because they
associated update-only protocols with a hello
interesting discussion.
a couple of thoughts of minor value.
1) one way to determine whether or not (E)IGRP is a distance vector or not
is to consider that (E)IGRP has a definite diameter limit that is
changeable. Several months ago there was a discussion on this board about
just that. If you
At 10:51 AM -0400 5/14/02, Chuck wrote:
interesting discussion.
a couple of thoughts of minor value.
1) one way to determine whether or not (E)IGRP is a distance vector or not
is to consider that (E)IGRP has a definite diameter limit that is
changeable. Several months ago there was a discussion
Howard, thanks for your input. Comments inline...
Hal
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Well, it occurs to me that IGRP would be easy to implement even without
Cisco's permission
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At 4:25 PM -0400 5/13/02, Logan, Harold wrote:
You're right about IGRP still being listed on the CCNA
objectives. While
I've sometimes found it frustrating to teach an outdated
protocol, IGRP is
useful as a teaching tool. With IGRP you can easily
demonstrate
Howard C. Berkowitz 5/14/02 11:46:39 AM
No modern routing protocol uses composite metrics, in the sense
that
a numerical value is computed from several factors. I don't know
if
you'd consider route preference (e.g., OSPF intraarea over
interarea
over external) to be composite; I
.
JMcL
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Nokia might support it, but I have been (fairly reliably) told that
Cisco
will *not* be supporting IGRP as of one of the newest IOS
nrf wrote:
vendor compatibility between some other vendor and Cisco. For
example, does
anybody know of another vendor that supports, say, EIGRP? Or
CDP? Now you
I know that Netscout probes are identified as CDP neighbors.
Not sure that I remember seeing anything else identified as
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Nokia might support it, but I have been (fairly reliably) told that Cisco
will *not* be supporting IGRP as of one of the newest IOS releases. I
can't find the announcement on CCO
ort, say, EIGRP?
JMcL
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Lamme's CCNA study guide states that the courde and exam only covers
distance-vector routing protocols (RIP and IGRP).
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Well
it! ;-)
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Well, it occurs to me that IGRP would be easy to implement even without
Cisco's permission. ;-) It's a simple protocol, for one thing
Forgot to send this to list as well.
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From: Mike Mandulak
To: Priscilla Oppenheimer
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Lammle refers to EIGRP as being a Hybrid of distance-vector and link
state
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Well, it occurs to me that IGRP would be easy to implement even without
Cisco's permission. ;-) It's a simple protocol, for one thing. Also, the
Rutgers paper that describes IGRP has been out for years. Cisco never
have to cover it! ;-)
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Well, it occurs to me that IGRP would be easy to implement even
without
Cisco's
To: Priscilla Oppenheimer
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Lammle refers to EIGRP as being a Hybrid of distance-vector and link
state.
He only gives a brief mention of EIGRP and says to refer to the CCNP
study
guide
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Just found this while surfing around.
As a network device, the Nokia IP330 supports a comprehensiv
to refer to the CCNP
study
guide for more info.
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At 02:44 PM 5/13/02, Mike Mandulak wrote:
Lamme's CCNA study guid
S. Come to think of
it,
maybe I'm glad I don't have to cover it! ;-)
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Well, it occurs to me
S. Come to think of
it,
maybe I'm glad I don't have to cover it! ;-)
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Well, it occurs to me that IG
I agree with Kent. Although the link you (Rick) provided uses the word
link-state, it uses it once in the opening and once in the summary...
That's it! The fact is that one needs to analyze the protocol to see it's
behavior... it may well have traits of this or that type of protocol but not
Just found this while surfing around.
As a network device, the Nokia IP330 supports a comprehensive suite of
IP-routing functions and protocols, including RIPv1/RIPv2, IGRP, OSPF and
BGP4 for unicast traffic...
http://www.nokia.com/securitysolutions/platforms/330.html
Every piece of literature
At 11:42 PM -0400 5/12/02, nrf wrote:
Just found this while surfing around.
As a network device, the Nokia IP330 supports a comprehensive suite of
IP-routing functions and protocols, including RIPv1/RIPv2, IGRP, OSPF and
BGP4 for unicast traffic...
Comments inline...
--- Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
I don't know the specifics of the Nokia case. Cisco
has, however,
both supplied router blades running IOS on an OEM
basis to vendors
including Cabletron, and licensed a software port to
DEC (IOS on DEC
hardware -- Brouter 500)
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