2009/8/6 James Reeves weavejes...@googlemail.com:
On Aug 6, 8:31 pm, Howard Lewis Ship hls...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm cringing at the sight of XML here.
XML is frequently overused, but it is a good format for representing
dense, structured data. For example:
repository name=third-party
Ruby and Gem is such great terminology, can we come up with something
half as cool?
Want something short (3 - 4 letters) suitable as a file extension perhaps.
Brainstorming some ideas:
cap: Clojure Archive Package
cpa: Clojure Package Archive
ca: Clojure Archive
car: Clojure Archive
Hi,
On Aug 7, 11:45 am, Howard Lewis Ship hls...@gmail.com wrote:
car: Clojure Archive (half-assed pun on Lisp's car, plus you can
imagine the icon!)
The other half of the pun's ass is on Java's jar. ;)
.cljp: clojure package
.clja: clojure archive
Playing with Clojure's source extension
On 07/08/2009, at 7:15 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
Ruby and Gem is such great terminology, can we come up with something
half as cool?
Closure and Resolution, are a pair of parallel hononymic puns.
Or Clojure/Seal - you close the package and seal it.
Antony Blakey
-
CTO,
.car +1 (jar pun)
On Aug 7, 5:45 am, Howard Lewis Ship hls...@gmail.com wrote:
Ruby and Gem is such great terminology, can we come up with something
half as cool?
Want something short (3 - 4 letters) suitable as a file extension perhaps.
Brainstorming some ideas:
cap: Clojure Archive
car: Clojure Archive (half-assed pun on Lisp's car, plus you can imagine
the icon!)
+1
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+1 on .car here too. Plus, I imagine the icon to be a 1950's-era
muscle car; a nod to Lisp's age.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Justin Johnsonjus...@honesthacker.com wrote:
car: Clojure Archive (half-assed pun on Lisp's car, plus you can
imagine the icon!)
+1
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Chris Wilson
I like the name Clojure Archive.
On another note, I always wondered why xml was such a requirement for
Java dependency management. Couldn't we design some sort of url
schema, that you could just pass to a package importer in the
program. First time you run, it could fetch the packages or
On Aug 7, 1:51 pm, Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com wrote:
.car +1 (jar pun)
I'll go against the crowd and say I don't like this name. It seems
confusing to have a car symbol in your source code that has an
entirely different purpose to its traditional binding.
- James
On Aug 7, 10:17 am, Lauri Pesonen lauri.peso...@iki.fi wrote:
Surely we can do better with s-expressions:
(:repository third-party [(:package Compojure /compojure.xml)])
Not very forward compatible, though.
Perhaps we should sidestep the whole question about the format of
package metadata.
I like this idea too, because if you end up wanting to port this package
manager to CLR, Parrot, or JS, you're less tied down to the package formats
of specific platforms.
Heck, even if Clojure was ported to Ruby (not that there'd be any point to
do that), you could wrap the Gems framework.
On
Hi Meikel,
2009/8/5 Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de:
Well, this is independent of whether you have a C or Java
library. You can install each C library in its own directory
and tell the linker to look there. Then you have basically
a .jar like setup: If you don't tell the linker the right
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Lauri Pesonenlauri.peso...@iki.fi wrote:
2009/8/5 Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de:
Well, this is independent of whether you have a C or Java
library. You can install each C library in its own directory
and tell the linker to look there. Then you have basically
On 06/08/2009, at 8:58 PM, Daniel wrote:
Have a look at Buckminster: http://www.eclipse.org/buckminster/
Not sure if it's going to work for non-JVM approaches (you'll probably
have to code up a plugin of some sort), but it's a meta package
manager, and can do more than just dependency
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Antony Blakeyantony.bla...@gmail.com wrote:
This is the first I've heard of this project, but what about the 255
page user guide available from:
http://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/eclipse/tools/buckminster/doc/BuckyBook.pdf
?
Ah, nice one. Hasn't been there last
Lauri Pesonen lauri.peso...@iki.fi writes:
Drawing a parallel between Ruby and Clojure, a Clod package could
expect jars to be available on the platform at package install time.
It would be up to the user to install those jars before trying to
install a Clod package. The user is free to
I'm cringing at the sight of XML here.
(I almost through this post away when I read down and saw the work on
Corkscrew but I thought some of my ideas might still be valid).
What I'd like to see is something that execute *inside* Clojure,
adding necessary libraries the classpath in some way:
I
On Aug 6, 8:31 pm, Howard Lewis Ship hls...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm cringing at the sight of XML here.
XML is frequently overused, but it is a good format for representing
dense, structured data. For example:
repository name=third-party
package name=Compojure href=/compojure.xml/
/repository
On Aug 6, 10:16 pm, James Reeves weavejes...@googlemail.com wrote:
(package/get compojure 0.2)
(package/get clojure-contrib [:= 1.0-alpha3])
(ns example
(:use clojure.contrib.json.read)
(:use compojure.html))
I had another thought once after I posted. Perhaps the best of both
syntax
Or really work this into core and add :packages to the (ns) macro.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:30 PM, James Reevesweavejes...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Aug 6, 10:16 pm, James Reeves weavejes...@googlemail.com wrote:
(package/get compojure 0.2)
(package/get clojure-contrib [:= 1.0-alpha3])
(ns
Hello,
Not a great contribution to the debate, but just a word on the terminology:
reusing package which already has a strong meaning in java may not be a good
idea, I think.
I think lib or library could be interesting, but it has also been attributed
a meaning more similar to ns description in
2009/8/4 Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de:
I think, clojure context is underestimating things. The high
integration
of external Java libraries makes it necessary that such dependencies
can be handled in the same way.
Agreed. I was actually going to write that whatever approach is chosen
it
Hi,
On Aug 5, 10:32 am, Lauri Pesonen lauri.peso...@iki.fi wrote:
John Newman brought up a good point as well concerning support for
other possible clojure platforms like JS, CLR, and Parrot: if we
support Java library packaging than shouldn't we also support
packaging on other platforms?
On 5 Aug., 12:07, Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de wrote:
Any CLR experts around? How does the packaging work
there?
Well, there's NMaven:
http://nmaven.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?title=Getting%20Started
- not sure, though, how popular this is.
The CLR has a built-in versioning concept,
On Aug 4, 2:44 pm, Sean Devlin francoisdev...@gmail.com wrote:
James,
Just go for it. You've certainly proved you can design a library.
Deliver something that works for you, and tell us if you think it's
ready. If it's better than other stuff (which I suspect it will be),
the community
I'm also wondering whether or not I could construct a package
manager
that operates from within the REPL. Hmm.
Well, if it's written in Clojure you get this one for free right?
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!
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On Aug 4, 5:40 am, Phil Hagelberg p...@hagelb.org wrote:
Maven actually supports dependency resolution. While I don't like Maven
much for most things, its dependency resolution mechanism and repository
format is quite good.
Regarding Maven and Ivy, their dependency resolution appears to be
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but both Maven and Ivy appear to be
designed to resolve dependencies during build time.
Ivy can be used as set of Ant tasks, stand-alone command line tool or
as a library. If used as a library there is nothing stopping you to
resolve your dependencies at
On Aug 4, 10:57 am, Krešimir Šojat kso...@gmail.com wrote:
Ivy can be used as set of Ant tasks, stand-alone command line tool or
as a library. If used as a library there is nothing stopping you to
resolve your dependencies at runtime.
Could you give me an example of how you'd use Ivy in a
Coming from Ruby land and having used other languages before, I feel
rubygems is quiet a good solution to this problem. Having something like
this in Clojure would be terrific for a person like me who is just starting
up.
$ clod install foo
= installing... done.
$ clj
user= (use 'foo)
Hi,
On Aug 4, 1:21 pm, James Reeves weavejes...@googlemail.com wrote:
Could you give me an example of how you'd use Ivy in a standalone
capacity? I was unable to find an example of Ivy being used in the
same way one would use Rubygems or Apt.
You can do java -jar ivy.jar --help to see the
Hi to myself,
On Aug 4, 1:45 pm, Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de wrote:
You can have separate servers for ivy.xmls and artifacts. However the
problem is that this is configured on a per repository basis. So one
can't
have to two ivy.xmls in the same repository with different artifact
On 4 kol, 13:21, James Reeves weavejes...@googlemail.com wrote:
Could you give me an example of how you'd use Ivy in a standalone
capacity? I was unable to find an example of Ivy being used in the
same way one would use Rubygems or Apt.
In your project you would create standard ivy.xml and
On Aug 4, 12:51 pm, Krešimir Šojat kso...@gmail.com wrote:
In your project you would create standard ivy.xml and ivysettings.xml
files as described on Ivy site. Download Ivy (and Ant jars if you will
create or use Packagers). After that you can retrieve your
dependencies from command line
As
2009/8/4 James Reeves weavejes...@googlemail.com:
On Aug 4, 12:51 pm, Krešimir Šojat kso...@gmail.com wrote:
In your project you would create standard ivy.xml and ivysettings.xml
files as described on Ivy site. Download Ivy (and Ant jars if you will
create or use Packagers). After that you
Meikel said,
I think, clojure context is underestimating things. The high
integration
of external Java libraries makes it necessary that such dependencies
can be handled in the same way.
On the other hand, will this package system be able to stradle and
accommodate future platforms for
James Reeves weavejes...@googlemail.com writes:
On Aug 4, 12:51 pm, Krešimir Šojat kso...@gmail.com wrote:
In your project you would create standard ivy.xml and ivysettings.xml
files as described on Ivy site. Download Ivy (and Ant jars if you will
create or use Packagers). After that you can
Hi folks,
I've been sketching out a design for a package manager for Clojure,
similar to Rubygems. To the best of my knowledge, there's no real
equivalent to this in Java-land.
I'm looking for suggestions, criticisms, or for someone to tell me
that Java already has a package manager that's
Hi,
There is Apache Ivy (http://ant.apache.org/ivy/) with it's Packager
resolver that does exactly that (it has almost the same syntax as your
proposal).
For a repository using Apache Ivy + Package take a look at Ivy RoundUp
(http://code.google.com/p/ivyroundup/), good thing about there desing
James Reeves weavejes...@googlemail.com writes:
I've been sketching out a design for a package manager for Clojure,
similar to Rubygems. To the best of my knowledge, there's no real
equivalent to this in Java-land.
I'm looking for suggestions, criticisms, or for someone to tell me
that
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