Just made an appointment with a psychoanalyst instead of a computer shop. But,
can they be trusted?
Marcio
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>From: Tom Piwowar
>Sent: Apr 30, 2009 8:35 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
>
>>My particular problem is just th
This is always my fear... what a pain!
Marcio
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>From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall"
>Sent: Apr 30, 2009 9:10 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
>
>I do but do you want to have to reinstall everything on your system?
>
>In these da
This sounds better...
Marcio
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>From: mike
>Sent: Apr 30, 2009 7:14 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
>
>Chris is correct...no upgrade from xp to 7, but you can get the upgrade
>price. You just have to wipe the machine...
>
This is what I am afraid... If this is the case I would rather do a clean
install with Vista now while the computer is new.
Marcio
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>From: Chris Dunford
>Sent: Apr 30, 2009 7:01 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
>
>> The u
> Jeff's alter ego -- Joseph Stalin -- speaks. Off to the Gulag with you!
Sorry Tom, I didn't mean to step on your turf. Go beat the help; you know
how that makes you feel better.
> Bad analogy. That's hardware.
No, it's a market supply response in meeting demand. Should I go over it
with you
Grab the Release Candidate (RC) of Windows 7 on May 5. It's the last beta
release before RTM (release to manufacturers) later this year.
Use it free for 13 months.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9132397
In case you're worried, I just took a la
> And I was completey wrong it appears. The guy was a gal.
Right. I think there were one or two other problems with your responses
besides that.
Please answer the following yes or no questions:
1. Did the shop owner accurately characterize Microsoft's plans when she
said that it is "taking Vista
No my fears are well bourne from having to reload systems after a crash.
Not interested.
Stewart
At 10:20 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
Negative. I can probably count on one hand the number of clean installs I've
done. Win98 to Win2k, Win2k to WinXP, WinXP to Vista, And soon Vista to
Win7.
I have
Negative. I can probably count on one hand the number of clean installs I've
done. Win98 to Win2k, Win2k to WinXP, WinXP to Vista, And soon Vista to
Win7.
I have many downloaded apps. These days I never purchase physical media if I
can avoid it. They re-install as easily as anything. Five minutes
OK what about the programs you have downloaded. The programs you
forgot you put on until you need.
A desktop computer is just like you favorite bedroom. It is nice
until you rearrange it and then you spend a lot of time trying to
find things you once knew were there.
When you use your syst
Yes, but those don't require you to attend their installation. Like I said,
it's rarely taken more than a day to do that. Or, more likely, I just do it
as the app is needed. The three you mention take all of about 10 minutes of
effort. Hardly a major project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Rev.
Thanks, Tom! Progress so far: WETA comes in fine. But lots of other
channels that we previously received do not come in at all. & so far
as channels 101 through 200 go, most don't come through, and the ones
that do are mostly "pixelated." The next thing we have to do is check
the signal to
Many programs cannot just be restored they must be reinstalled.
That is my grief. Word, Abby Fine Reader, Paperport etc. etc. etc.
I do a Belarc listing before I do stuff just to make sure I have an
idea of what all I have put on my system.
But that does not do enough. I too keep all data o
Acronis True Image home (11?)
CD is bootable and uses a Linux shell to clone drives. I use USB
adapters for the external drive.
Just used it a few weeks ago when I upgraded the drive on my
laptop. Took a few hours, but worked nicely and nary a hiccup when I
swapped drives.
Stewart
At 0
Maybe so. When I say I've always done clean installs, it has nothing to do
with cleaning the PC. I usually mean I just buy a new system drive, format
it, and install the new OS on it. Then I restore my personal files and
programs. Takes maybe a day. Many of my programs are on a different drive so
t
Hear, Hear!
Two months ago my boot disk on my PC failed, I opted to do a clean
install of Windows XP Pro on a new disk instead of a disk image backup
of the failed disk. Reason: the computer had become so slow to operate
that I was fretting. With a clean install, the computer now has a
rej
I have found PC Mover from laplink to be an excellent tool. Bought
it once for the office came with the USB cable.
Problem is it costs about 59 per move. OUCH.
MS includes a migration tool, but only for their apps.
Stewart
At 08:09 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
>In these days of key#s and stuf
> And the indignant outrage is hilarious.
Should I have littered my post with smileys? Smileys seem so immature.
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>In these days of key#s and stuff it takes a couple of months to
>restore a system to what it was before when you have to reload stuff.
Sadly true for my PC.
However I have found Apple's migration tool to be amazingly effective. I
can install a new OS on a new drive and then quickly migrate all
>You have to say that the owner is "a smart guy" who's putting his
>customers first. What claptrap.
And I was completey wrong it appears. The guy was a gal.
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Jordan, stop being an asshole. Is that funny enough?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Jordan wrote:
> Actually, it's pretty amusing.
> And the indignant outrage is hilarious.
>
> And by the way: Windows?. clean install?they should not be
> in the same paragraph.
>
>
> mike wrote
I do but do you want to have to reinstall everything on your system?
In these days of key#s and stuff it takes a couple of months to
restore a system to what it was before when you have to reload stuff.
Stewart
At 06:42 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
Rev, please tell me you back up?
On Thu, Apr
They are talking a clean install. In other words, clean the PC.
Unless a clean install has taken on a new meaning.
When we did clean installs with Xenix it involved cleaning the
Hardrive installing the new OS and restoring all the programs, or reinstalling.
We set aside 4 hours for that proc
Actually, it's pretty amusing.
And the indignant outrage is hilarious.
And by the way: Windows?. clean install?they should not
be in the same paragraph.
mike wrote:
Vile? Really? Is that like you calling someone a thief or someone else a
gaybasher? Grow up, Tom. Your const
What in the world are you talking about? I've upgraded *clean* many times
and never lost anything. Are you not happy with your current backup
strategy?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I hope they find a better way to upgrade or a lot of u
Rev, please tell me you back up?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I hope they find a better way to upgrade or a lot of us will just not do
> it.
>
> I will not loose all my stuff just to upgrade their OS.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> At 05:14 PM 4/3
> >Encouraging your own list member--an individual who
> >appears to trust CGUYS for good advice and information
> >--continue to patronize an establishment where management
> >is clearly clueless is a really lousy thing to do.
>
> I think I know very well who is completely clueless.
>
> http:/
Vile? Really? Is that like you calling someone a thief or someone else a
gaybasher? Grow up, Tom. Your constant name calling is what is vile on
this list. Why the whole list puts up with your abuse I have no idea. I'm
wondering why I do myself.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Tom Piwowar w
> >Whether or not Vista is buggy isn't relevant.
Are you SURE you're not a politician? I ask this because you're really,
really good at quoting stuff out of context.
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>You'll get about as much done hammering your fingers as upgrading from XP to
>7. Not recommended.
Expiate. Expiate. Expiate. Hammering fingers seems extreme. Can one just
whip oneself with a length of chain? Expiate. Expiate. Expiate.
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>My particular problem is just this... should I wait with mu XP Home or
>should I have Vista Home or Premium and wait?...
Do you have any sins that you need to atone for? Replacing your XP with
Vista would certainly expiate much of your accumulated guilt. The Rev can
provide details.
The only
I hope they find a better way to upgrade or a lot of us will just not do it.
I will not loose all my stuff just to upgrade their OS.
Stewart
At 05:14 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
Chris is correct...no upgrade from xp to 7, but you can get the upgrade
price. You just have to wipe the machine...
>Whether or not Vista is buggy isn't relevant.
Finally the truth comes out.
All that is relevant is that M$ will be missing out on some much-needed
revenue if you don't run out immediately and buy. It is very wrong that
you want to deny M$ its due. Your are obviously being an uncooperative,
vi
>Now: There was a bit of discussion about "digital" versus "hd"
>channels. I totally do not understand the difference. Apparently the
>Comcast Cable box will receive digital channels, and these will be
>disappearing from boxes that only receive analog signals as stations
>switch to (Digital
Agreed.
It is just like auto shops when the final verdict comes in.
Stewart
At 05:01 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
Local news station here tested half a dozen shops, before taking the
computer in they remove the ribbon cable from the HD and told the tech that
the computer had just stopped working.
>Encouraging your own list member--an individual who appears to trust CGUYS
>for good advice and information--continue to patronize an establishment
>where management is clearly clueless is a really lousy thing to do.
I think I know very well who is completely clueless.
http://www.youtube.com/w
You'll get about as much done hammering your fingers as upgrading from XP to
7. Not recommended.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Huh?
>
> Stewart
>
>
> At 04:56 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
>
>> You can expect pain when you take a hammer to y
who was spiro talkin'bout?? Us??
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Huh?
Stewart
At 04:56 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
You can expect pain when you take a hammer to your fingers too.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The upgrade path is not known at this time, but it should be expected that
> you will be ab
> Chris I don't use so I don't know how buggy it is.
I don't think I expressed myself very clearly.
Whether or not Vista is buggy isn't relevant. Here's what she said, in
essence:
"Toyota is discontinuing the 2009 Camry because it stinks, and Toyota
doesn't want to spend the money to build it c
Chris is correct...no upgrade from xp to 7, but you can get the upgrade
price. You just have to wipe the machine...
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
> > The upgrade path is not known at this time, but
> > it should be expected that you will be able to
> > upgrade directly f
> The upgrade path is not known at this time, but
> it should be expected that you will be able to
> upgrade directly from XP to Windows 7.
No, it appears that you will be able to do an in-place upgrade from Vista,
but not from XP. If you have XP, a clean install will be required.
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computer in they remove the ribbon cable from the HD and told the tech that
the computer had just stopped working. Five shops had problems from under
100 to hundreds of dollars to fix, one shop the owner told her what the
problem
> Seems strange he would say this. The comment about the
> free 30 day upgrade would kill sales now I would think.
> On top of MS specifically not saying when win 7 is due.
Supposedly, any new PC sold with Vista after July 1 is going to be eligible
for a free upgrade.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The upgrade path is not known at this time, but it should be expected that
> you will be able to upgrade directly from XP to Windows 7.
>
> Ste
I'd wait, 7 is close enough, stick with XP for now.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Marcio wrote:
> But would`t I have to have Vista in place in order to upgrade to 7?...Or
> better stay with XP and wait, if I have to start from scratch with 7 so be
> it...
>
> Marcio
>
> -Original Message-
> You certainly don't want to deal with someone who puts your interests
> first. Better to find a shop where the lie to you and get you to waste
> your money. After all M$ has to find a way out of its $ales $lump. Got
> to put first things first and customers last.
This is incomprehensible.
She c
The upgrade path is not known at this time, but
it should be expected that you will be able to
upgrade directly from XP to Windows 7.
Stewart
At 04:34 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
But would`t I have to have Vista in place in
order to upgrade to 7?...Or better stay with XP
and wait, if I have to
Chris I don't use so I don't know how buggy it is.
However I always take a computers shop recommendation with a grain of salt.
Last year one of my members got her system back after being told she
needed to replace the motherboard.
I opened it replaced the video card and she is still using it.
He said it not me.
However they have usually done this type of free upgrade and most
software sellers do it as an inducement to get them to keep buying
before a new release comes out.
Stewart
At 04:46 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
Seems strange he would say this. The comment about the free 30
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10231122-1.html?part=earthlink
Stewart
At 04:23 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
Have an url for that because MS hasn't said when 7 will be released. The RC
just came out...then GM will be out.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@ear
Seems strange he would say this. The comment about the free 30 day upgrade
would kill sales now I would think. On top of MS specifically not saying
when win 7 is due.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10
But would`t I have to have Vista in place in order to upgrade to 7?...Or better
stay with XP and wait, if I have to start from scratch with 7 so be it...
Marcio
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>From: mike
>Sent: Apr 30, 2009 5:22 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows
Yes, it seems that there would be no problem for her ( she is the owner ) to
sell me the Vista and install it. When she put this new computer together she
asked me if I wanted XP or Vista and she said that Vista was more expensive.
Marcio
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>From: Tom Piwowar
>Sent: Ap
My particular problem is just this... should I wait with mu XP Home or should I
have Vista Home or Premium and wait?...
Marcio
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>From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall"
>Sent: Apr 30, 2009 5:12 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
>
>I
> I will not comment on the shop owners Vista comment (Don't run it,
> cant comment)
Rev, you don't need to be a Vista user to know that she's wrong. What she
said was, "Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost
them too much to fix all the bugs." That's just false, as in n
>That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, Marcio.
Did you know I was that good at forecasting the future?
>You need to get a new computer shop.
You certainly don't want to deal with someone who puts your interests
first. Better to find a shop where the lie to you and get you to waste
Have an url for that because MS hasn't said when 7 will be released. The RC
just came out...then GM will be out.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I will not comment on the shop owners Vista comment (Don't run it, cant
> comment)
>
> Howeve
Two points here. No, at this point with win 7 on the horizon there is no
reason to go out and buy a copy of Vista. If you are purchasing a new
computer which comes loaded with Vista then good, leave it. Vista has no
more bugs than XP or any other OS.
As far as her accuracy about Vista being dis
Thanks to you all. No, she did not say that. She said that Microsoft was
discontinuing selling Windows Vista (actually that it already discontinued)
because it would be too expensive to fix it. She meant that Microsoft decided
to stop selling Windows Vista. That I then would be better off stayin
I will not comment on the shop owners Vista comment (Don't run it,
cant comment)
However here is the scoop. An Acer exec has said that Windows 7 will
be released in October.
We will wait and see.
flavors of Vista:
Home Basic
Home Premium
Business
Ultimate
Stewart
At 03:54 PM 4/30/2009, y
> Your computer shop guy is a smart guy. Our WFBs will disagree.
Is this supposed to be funny, or what?
Encouraging your own list member--an individual who appears to trust CGUYS
for good advice and information--continue to patronize an establishment
where management is clearly clueless is a real
The saga continues (of course). We now have an APEX HD converter box
hooked up to an analog tv, along with our home made antenna. It pulls
in a few HD over-the-air stations, but not nearly as many as the over-
the-air lists would indicate. This may be a function of the box, or it
may be a fu
My first reaction was "This guy is an idiot". But I think you may have just
misunderstood. Perhaps he was saying that, for the cost of him installing
it, you might be better off waiting a couple years for Windows 7 SP1. Or
something.
Anyway, MS has no intention of killing off Vista before XP, but
At 04:09 PM 4/30/2009, mike wrote:
>If someone inserts a USB key, presumably they want to open it? Same with a
>CD..why put a cd in if there isn't something there you want to do with it?
Well, what I usually want to do is open a specific file on the flash drive,
often using file, open in some ap
>Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the Windows
>Vista Nome SP1 to install on my new computer. The nice owner told me that
>I should not buy it because Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market
>because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs. Recommended that
> Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the
> Windows Vista Nome SP1 to install on my new computer. The nice owner
> told me that I should not buy it because Microsoft is taking Vista out
> of the market because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs.
> Recommended t
Well it is better, but I'm not sure what you want them to do?
If someone inserts a USB key, presumably they want to open it? Same with a
CD..why put a cd in if there isn't something there you want to do with it?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/ar
I wouldn't take my computer there for ten bux.
If he doesn't know what MS is going to do, he doesn't know much of anything,
it's all over the tech scene what they are doing.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Marcio wrote:
> Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the Window
Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the Windows Vista
Nome SP1 to install on my new computer. The nice owner told me that I should
not buy it because Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market because it would
cost them too much to fix all the bugs. Recommended that I s
>> The minimum contract is $60X24=$1440...
>I could buy a Mac for that.
But then it would not be crappy. You would not want to do that.
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>Apple is hiring folks from semi conductor sectors...two from AMD recently
>apparently. Jobs saying increasing complexity of iphones/ipods etc is
>behind their move to create their own chips for the products they are
>building. No word on if that might include CPU's for the desktop/laptop
>area.
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/27/improvements-to-autoplay.aspx
I think they should rip the whole thing out by its roots, but even a
small step towards sanity is appreciated.
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I read a little of the fine print but did see they said it was not an
unlimited connection.
Not a good deal as I see it.
Verizon's is 49.95 a month I think and that comes with 5 GB of download.
I am just sitting back waiting to see what comes up. Not interested
in getting into one of them at
Netbooks existed several years before that site decided to "define" what they
are--in 2009 yet. The ones I saw and tried ran Linux or Windows PE, and were
about half the size of the so-called netbooks today.
Unfortunately anything running Windows PE isn't going to offer a good
computing experie
>Sounds like some PR person got carried away
Bowersock Mills and Power Co.
Kansas River at the Massachusetts St. Bridge
Lawrence KS
Bowersockpower.com
50 miles away from KC should count as "local."
I'm constantly amazed at the random information that can be quickly
plucked from the ether.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Tony B wrote:
> The minimum contract is $60X24=$1440. I assume this is the crappy old 3G
> dial-up speeds network? This might be worth it if the whole family could
> use
> that connection for internet access all over the city. Or is this limited
> to
> one unit, a
The minimum contract is $60X24=$1440. I assume this is the crappy old 3G
dial-up speeds network? This might be worth it if the whole family could use
that connection for internet access all over the city. Or is this limited to
one unit, a second computer costing another $1440/2yr?
On Thu, Apr 30,
Lot's a RR right away and being in the center of the county made KC a
fibre trunk center. Also Sprint is from KC. But local hydro... I
don't know about that ... all they have is the Missouri river which is
used for barge traffic so no dams. Coal fired power plants they DO
have.. the railr
http://digg.com/d1pwjX
Apple is hiring folks from semi conductor sectors...two from AMD recently
apparently. Jobs saying increasing complexity of iphones/ipods etc is
behind their move to create their own chips for the products they are
building. No word on if that might include CPU's for the de
I heard tales of this earlier this year.
Radio Shack is selling an Acer netbook for $49.95 with a two year
data contract with AT&T.
with a tiny url
http://tiny.cc/6jzlG
Stewart
Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL SL 82
I heard tales of this earlier this year.
Radio Shack is selling an Acer netbook for $49.95 with a two year
data contract with AT&T.
http://www.radioshack.com/uc/index.jsp?page=researchLibraryArticle&articleUrl=../graphics/uc/rsk/USContent/HTML/pages/momsday.html&noBc=true&EDID=SF4B4C-GQYD-XTKK
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >No telling where this will end up, but it is interesting that Apple is
> >doing DMCA takedowns over discussions of how to use its products in an
> >unapproved manner
>
> That's the whole DMCA "forbidden speech" thing that I keep pointing out
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