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2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think I heard somewhere that Insurance companies profits are up 1000% the past 7-10 years while rates have gone up 300% in the same time frame. Someone is making money. Our rates went up less than 5% this year, but they are very high to begin with. Stewart At 04:59 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
wart Marshall" >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 6:26 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >No I get your point. > >I have lived under both systems (Canada's and Ours) > >I have a very compelling interest in this. > >

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government is not perfect but neither are we. Capitalism is not perfect either. There are some things better handle under the capitalist strate

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Why do so many believe this health OPTION would be forced on them? What part of the word OPTION do these people not understand? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

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2009-09-06 Thread Mike
Who would have thought the unions and government would own a car company 15 years ago? Sent from my iPod On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: This once again goes with the assumption that a government health care option would destroy all private insurance companies. While I'd

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
This once again goes with the assumption that a government health care option would destroy all private insurance companies. While I'd love to see this happen I doubt it would. Insurance companies are the largest business in the world. I think it would take a whole lot more then a governme

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
But you pay for us (USA) to have a military, public security, wars... roads and much more. Are you being coerced?...Or...you are sharing?... Marcio -Original Message- >From: Jeff Wright >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 5:26 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] In

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2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
No I get your point. I have lived under both systems (Canada's and Ours) I have a very compelling interest in this. I think the right to purchase and get Insurance is a right! The problem is that we have made insurance only something for someone who can afford it and be eligible. My dau

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
You did not understand me. I am not going to insist. With all respect... Marcio -Original Message- >From: mike >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 5:33 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >You don't seem to have a full grasp

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
: mike >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 5:34 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >The UK and Canada are moving away from socialized medicine, not towards it. > >On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Marcio wrote: > >> I see no conflicts

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I believe those at the town hall meetings could do a lot to quiet these agitators. If everyone there were to simply turn and stare at the person shouting I'd bet they'd quit rather quickly. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
This is such a stupid comment I've heard far to often. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:04 AM, mike wrote: Brilliant! Socialism is great till you run out of everyone elses money.

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> I pay less the $200/mo for food. Never really thought about food > costs being high. Of course no one is this household is obese. And we > eat steak twice a week. Chicken, pork and fish make up the other days. I didn't say that food was expensive. I said I pay more on the 2 items that we

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I was born and lived in Idaho for many years. I'm a strong supporter of gun rights. But these idiots bring guns to a presidential speeches need to be locked up just for being stupid. And to protect the rest of us from their stupidity. I wonder if these people believe their gun rights apply

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2009-09-06 Thread mike
> -Original Message- > >From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" > >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 3:52 PM > >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > > > >Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. > > >

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
-Original Message- >From: Jeff Wright >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 4:21 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >> Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. >> >> Sometimes better than others. >> >&

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2009-09-06 Thread mike
inal Message- > >From: Jeff Miles > >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 4:04 AM > >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > > > > True, the post office certainly has on many occasions. > > Does anyone really stop and

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2009-09-06 Thread mike
Imagine if you had food insurance, you could eat steak every day! On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >I pay less the $200/mo for food. Never really thought about food > costs being high. Of course no one is this household is obese. And we eat > steak twice a week. Chicken,

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
gt;Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. > >Sometimes better than others. > >The government is not perfect but neither are we. > >Capitalism is not perfect either. > >There are some things better handle under the ca

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> The beauty of the Single Payer is that we all will > share the risks. Isn´t this one of the reasons that we live in society? That's what insurance is: risk pooling. It's also something I engage by choice, not coercion. I don't choose to be live in a society to be compelled, by the threat of f

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I pay less the $200/mo for food. Never really thought about food costs being high. Of course no one is this household is obese. And we eat steak twice a week. Chicken, pork and fish make up the other days. I agree that housing costs are through the roof. No pun intended. But I blame the ban

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >> I appreciate your faith. I guess the most distressing part of the >> whole affair is seeing the wing nuts so ready to sell out their >> country for a sack of gold. They support the ultra-rich insurance >> barons, the M$

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
V.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > > True, the post office certainly has on many occasions. > Does anyone really stop and think what the post office does on a >daily basis? I have yet to find a privet company that has worked as >efficiently a

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
Poeple are brainwashed in America, by big money. They are raised to believe thar "private is always better"... Sad... Marcio -Original Message- >From: Jeff Miles >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 4:11 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Ca

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
TERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >That was one of your fellow left wing nuts that did the biting off Tom. I'm >sure you will now justify it somehow. > >On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:59 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > >> On Sep 5, 2009, at 11:18 P

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >Obama says his single payer will run like the post office...God help us >all.. > >On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Marcio wrote: > >> Ihave always been interested in health care as an MD and of course as a >> pa

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
society? Marcio -Original Message- >From: "t.piwowar" >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 12:59 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >On Sep 5, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Marcio wrote: >> Ihave always been interested in health car

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2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
They will by popular pressure, as it happened in Canada. Read the history of the Medicare in Canada. Marcio -Original Message- >From: "Eric S. Sande" >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 1:35 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. > > Sometimes better than others. > > The government is not perfect but neither are we. > > Capitalism is not perfect either. > > There are some things better handle under the capitalist strategy and > other things not. I find it odd that peop

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> Again very disingenuous. > > You can make a choice in housing very simply. You either find a > house within your income bracket or you move. > > Cant afford Steak, buy chicken and ground beef. > > Been there done that. You miss my point, Rev. I expect that of Tom, but you? We are being tol

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2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Sure are you ready to pay .80 a letter? $20 package and give up Saturday delivery? You cannot tell the Post office what they are allowed to charge and then bitch about them losing money. The USPS must go before Congress for every rate hike and then they are limited on how much they can raise

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2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government is not perfect but neither are we. Capitalism is not perfect either. There are some things better handle under the capitalist strategy and other things not. Stewart At 10:15 AM 9/6/2009, you wrot

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2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I believe by law that the USPS is required to deliver mail to any residence or business no matter where they are located within the US and it's territories. I know of no other country where the mail service is run by private contractors? (By the way in Canada they do contract out the deliver

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2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Again very disingenuous. You can make a choice in housing very simply. You either find a house within your income bracket or you move. Cant afford Steak, buy chicken and ground beef. Been there done that. Health care is not so easy. Very often people are frozen out of health care because

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2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not just the anti's. I saw a report some time ago how much had been contributed to the pro's in this whole debate. Money is flowing all over the place. Stewart At 09:57 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote: Because they own stock in these companies? I would wager that an awful lot of the anti-refor

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2009-09-06 Thread mike
Brilliant! Socialism is great till you run out of everyone elses money. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM, TPiwowar wrote: > On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:45 AM Sep 6, mike wrote: > >> If gov't programs aren't supposed to make money, can we at least ask they >> don't LOSE so much? >> > > Simple. Just rai

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2009-09-06 Thread Chris Dunford
> Very true. Both sides have their agitators. > > I do think it's insane that some representatives have refused to give any > time to their constituents when that is the very reason they have a month > off. There is some merit to that point of view, but, at the same time, it seems like a town h

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2009-09-06 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:45 AM Sep 6, mike wrote: If gov't programs aren't supposed to make money, can we at least ask they don't LOSE so much? Simple. Just raise taxes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rul

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2009-09-06 Thread mike
Very true. Both sides have their agitators. I do think it's insane that some representatives have refused to give any time to their constituents when that is the very reason they have a month off. What are we paying them for if they spend this month only with paying business leaders and not the

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2009-09-06 Thread Chris Dunford
> Yeah we got SEIU members shouting down and pushing people around so they > can't practice their constitutional free speech, so why should they be aloud > to carry any guns and practice that right either? Go Go Government! No comment on the right-wing shouters at the town halls preventing others

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2009-09-06 Thread mike
You are right, he did not put it as I said it, I was being more tongue in cheek. However I did see the question/answer and he was definitely making a point that the USPS was not run well and got a chuckle from the audience. In Obama's words 'It's the post office that's always having problems' htt

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2009-09-06 Thread mike
Yeah we got SEIU members shouting down and pushing people around so they can't practice their constitutional free speech, so why should they be aloud to carry any guns and practice that right either? Go Go Government! On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:50 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Sep 6, 20

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2009-09-06 Thread mike
ent. I am very surprised that this great Country will not adopt a >>> Single >>> Payer, Medicare for all. But Americans will alwways do the right thing, >>> after trying everything else. We will get there. >>> >>> Marcio >>> >>> -Origin

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> This is standard wing-nut strategy to make government look bad. Of course. The guvmint never does anything to look bad. It's all a vast, right-wing conspiracy to undermine their natural efficiency. * ** List info, subsc

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> DHL is going out of business because it was doing a terrible job. The > foreign owners seemed unable to put an effective management team in > place in the USA. Their service was horribly unreliable. Instead of > working harder at fixing the problem they just decided to give up. > The German stock

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2009-09-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, TPiwowar wrote: > It baffles the shit out of me too. Why do they defend predatory monopolists > who amass huge fortunes by overcharging for inferior software? Because they own stock in these companies? I would wager that an awful lot of the anti-reformers own

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2009-09-06 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:04 AM Sep 6, Jeff Miles wrote: Does anyone really stop and think what the post office does on a daily basis? I have yet to find a privet company that has worked as efficiently and consistently. And, being governmentally run, the post office's goal isn't to make a profit.

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2009-09-06 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:11 AM Sep 6, Jeff Miles wrote: Why do people insist on defending these mafioso type companies that do nothing but steal from them and then turn and complain about the government wasting money? This kind of thought just baffles the shit out of me. It baffles the shit ou

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2009-09-06 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:50 AM Sep 6, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The finger biter should be thankful that Mr. Rice was not one of the numerous anti-reform types who carry firearms to these events. "65-year-old William Rice, who is covered under the Medicare program, was taken to an area hospital.

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2009-09-06 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:52 AM Sep 6, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: DHL is the three letter name you are looking for German and has closed up shop for a lot of things. (If I remember they are the ones who closed up shop on an Ohio town?) DHL is going out of business because it was doing a terrib

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> I appreciate your faith. I guess the most distressing part of the > whole affair is seeing the wing nuts so ready to sell out their > country for a sack of gold. They support the ultra-rich insurance > barons, the M$s, the Comcasts, etc. and give the shiv to their fellow > citizens. I'm really d

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2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
And they pay pretty well also. Do not see any UPS drivers looking for Food Stamps. I do have a USPS worker in my congregation who is being retrained right now due to shuffling of jobs, With the cut backs and attrition in the USPS she is changing jobs and must go through months of training (

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2009-09-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:30 AM, mike wrote: > That was one of your fellow left wing nuts that did the biting off Tom.  I'm > sure you will now justify it somehow. The fellow who had the tip of his pinky bitten off, a Mr. Rice, an opponent of healthcare reform, is the one who initiated the physi

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I agree with what you said but a few corrections. DHL is the three letter name you are looking for German and has closed up shop for a lot of things. (If I remember they are the ones who closed up shop on an Ohio town?) Also the USPS is a non government business. They were cut out of the g

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2009-09-06 Thread Chris Dunford
> Obama says his single payer will run like the post office...God help us > all.. That really wasn't what he said, Mike. What he said was that FedEx and UPS compete successfully with the USPS, proving that the right's claim that "no private insurer will be able to compete with a government-subsi

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
icare for all. But Americans will alwways do the right thing, after trying everything else. We will get there. Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Wright Sent: Sep 5, 2009 8:43 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Don't bother arguing

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
dopt a Single Payer, Medicare for all. But Americans will alwways do the right thing, after trying everything else. We will get there. Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Wright Sent: Sep 5, 2009 8:43 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit..

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2009-09-05 Thread mike
That was one of your fellow left wing nuts that did the biting off Tom. I'm sure you will now justify it somehow. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:59 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Sep 5, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Marcio wrote: > >> Ihave always been interested in health care as an MD and of course as a >> patient

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2009-09-05 Thread mike
Medicare for all. But Americans will alwways do the right thing, > after trying everything else. We will get there. > > Marcio > > -Original Message- > >From: Jeff Wright > >Sent: Sep 5, 2009 8:43 PM > >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM &

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2009-09-05 Thread Eric S. Sande
But Americans will alwways do the right thing, after trying everything >else. Yes, the system is supposed to be self-correcting. But it is naiive to suppose that institutions that have stakes in the game will leave the table. ***

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2009-09-05 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 5, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Marcio wrote: Ihave always been interested in health care as an MD and of course as a patient. I am very surprised that this great Country will not adopt a Single Payer, Medicare for all. But Americans will alwways do the right thing, after trying everything else

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2009-09-05 Thread Marcio
Message- >From: Jeff Wright >Sent: Sep 5, 2009 8:43 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >> > Don't bother arguing with this bunch. What they have inflicted on this >> > List in recent months is much lik

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2009-09-05 Thread Jeff Wright
> > Don't bother arguing with this bunch. What they have inflicted on this > > List in recent months is much like what the USA has had inflicted on it > > in recent weeks of wild attacks against rational health care. I don't > > know if you have been following any of this from afar, doctor, but it

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2009-09-05 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting TPiwowar : On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:18 PM Sep 5, Marcio wrote: Well... he has been quite helpful to me... Don't bother arguing with this bunch. What they have inflicted on this List in recent months is much like what the USA has had inflicted on it in recent weeks of wild attacks against

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2009-09-05 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:18 PM Sep 5, Marcio wrote: Well... he has been quite helpful to me... Don't bother arguing with this bunch. What they have inflicted on this List in recent months is much like what the USA has had inflicted on it in recent weeks of wild attacks against rational health

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2009-09-05 Thread Marcio
Well... he has been quite helpful to me... Marcio -Original Message- >From: Reid Katan >Sent: Sep 5, 2009 2:44 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >Quoting rleesimon : > >> Hey ...leave Tom alone ...he got &#

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2009-09-05 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting rleesimon : Hey ...leave Tom alone ...he got 'nuf cra'frum apr to last him... Hey. He brings it on himself. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a memb

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2009-09-05 Thread rleesimon
Hey ...leave Tom alone ...he got 'nuf cra'frum apr to last him... -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Intensive Care Unit... Do you cover your eyes and ears when you say that? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Jorda

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2009-09-04 Thread mike
Do you cover your eyes and ears when you say that? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Jordan wrote: > katan wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:50:30 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: >> >> >> >>> America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. >>> >>> >> >> Ever notice how The List can have a pleasant c

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2009-09-04 Thread Jordan
katan wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:50:30 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. Ever notice how The List can have a pleasant conversation, or even a lively debate. . .until Tom joins in? No. *

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2009-09-04 Thread katan
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:50:30 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: >America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. Ever notice how The List can have a pleasant conversation, or even a lively debate. . .until Tom joins in? -- R:\katan LET'S G

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2009-09-03 Thread Jeff Wright
> > America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. > > What an ignorant comment that is... No, Chris, run with it. Ask Tom to go hunting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** *

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2009-09-03 Thread Chris Dunford
> America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. What an ignorant comment that is... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://w

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2009-09-02 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Unfortunately for your prejudices, the information he received was not "the truth", it was wrong. Out-and-out, unadorned, irredeemably wrong. Not correct. False. Unsound. Counterfactual. Inaccurate. Defective. Faulty. Wrong. If you think otherwi

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2009-09-02 Thread Marcio
RV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >And the truth shall set you free. > >Stewart > > >At 06:51 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote: >>On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: >>>We already know the answer to the "questionable shop" p

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2009-09-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
And the truth shall set you free. Stewart At 06:51 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote: On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: We already know the answer to the "questionable shop" part. They've given Marcio some very wrong information twice (that we know about). Telling customers the truth is

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread Chris Dunford
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > We already know the answer to the "questionable shop" part. They've > > given Marcio some very wrong information twice (that we know about). > > Telling customers the truth is a very bad, unpardonable thing to do. > Must keep pumping the M$ pa

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: We already know the answer to the "questionable shop" part. They've given Marcio some very wrong information twice (that we know about). Telling customers the truth is a very bad, unpardonable thing to do. Must keep pumping the M$ party line.

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2009-09-02 Thread db
Marcio, Then your questions for this list will be more about what software can I run to accomplish such and such ... or how can I sync it to my telephone... and not "how do I get it to start up"... "I've lost everything" kind of issues... But we'll help you with whatever ... we're just hopin

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2009-09-02 Thread John Settle
* I don´t have a Dell The suggestion is you buy one. Hee is their international sales page. http://multinationalexpansion.suite101.com/article.cfm/dell_computer_international_sales *

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2009-09-02 Thread Chris Dunford
> >Dell? No, I am always doing generic computers... I buy the parts... This is > >no good? > > If you don't know what you're doing, or have a questionable shop, this > is no good. We already know the answer to the "questionable shop" part. They've given Marcio some very wrong information twice

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2009-09-02 Thread katan
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:42:58 -0300, Marcio wrote: >Dell? No, I am always doing generic computers... I buy the parts... This is no >good? If you don't know what you're doing, or have a questionable shop, this is no good. Isn't this a computer that you use for business? You don't need the headaches

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread db
you a better computer. db Marcio wrote: Dell? No, I am always doing generic computers... I buy the parts... This is no good? Marcio -Original Message- From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Inte

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2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I understand the feeling I still build my own. But sometimes you have to dump a problem (your local shop) and go with someone who has a pretty good proven track record. Plus with the right warranty they will be there and fix it under your supervision. Stewart At 08:42 PM 9/1/2009, you wrot

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
Dell? No, I am always doing generic computers... I buy the parts... This is no good? Marcio -Original Message- >From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" >Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:59 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >

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2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
-Original Message- >From: Chris Dunford >Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:52 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >> Marcio you know what they say about a doctor who tries to cure himself >> >> Stewart > >Rev, it&

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Actually Dells rank a little higher on the quality scale than HP's and I think even Gateways now. Stewart At 07:54 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote: Quoting Marcio : What do you mean by Dells? Dell computers. www.dell.com They build computers. It would be like getting an HP or a Gateway or--gods for

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I know I was rejiggering it. Stewart At 07:52 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote: > Marcio you know what they say about a doctor who tries to cure himself > > Stewart Rev, it's back to Aphorisms 101 for you. Aren't you thinking of lawyers? "A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client."

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2009-09-01 Thread Chris Dunford
> Marcio you know what they say about a doctor who tries to cure himself > > Stewart Rev, it's back to Aphorisms 101 for you. Aren't you thinking of lawyers? "A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client." But for doctors: "Physician, heal thyself". I'm not convinced that's sound

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Marcio : What do you mean by Dells? Dell computers. www.dell.com They build computers. It would be like getting an HP or a Gateway or--gods forbid--a Mac. They build a fairly quality machine. * ** List info

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
TERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >Marcio, > >You are you own worst enemy! ... but as you say you love it. > >We all ... most of us anyway ... just wish you would do the easy and >more inexpensive thing by leaving that boat anchor on t

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
do you mean by Dells? Marcio -Original Message- >From: db >Sent: Sep 1, 2009 4:16 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >Well actually I might have been. Are you allowed to take Dells out of >the States? > >db >

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2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
I know, I am trying to work on my masoquist traits... with my analyst: myself. Marcio -Original Message- >From: db >Sent: Sep 1, 2009 2:51 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >Marcio, > >You are you own worst en

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
What do you mean by Dells? Marcio -Original Message- >From: db >Sent: Sep 1, 2009 4:16 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >Well actually I might have been. Are you allowed to take Dells out of >the States? &g

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2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
I don´t have a Dell Rev. I have a generic computer. Marcio -Original Message- >From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" >Sent: Sep 1, 2009 4:46 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >Yes and no. It depends on what

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread mike
It could be a field goal but with your glasses you won't see anything anyway. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM, TPiwowar wrote: > On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:06 AM Sep 1, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > >> Depends on what he is comfortable with. >> > > I just wiped a drive this a.m. and reinstalled M$'s

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yes and no. It depends on what is in them plus you void the warranty. I know Dell has a Canadian outlet (my in laws.) So I assume that they also have one in South America, Brazil. Stewart At 03:16 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote: Well actually I might have been. Are you allowed to take Dells out of

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2009-09-01 Thread db
Well actually I might have been. Are you allowed to take Dells out of the States? db TPiwowar wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 2:51 PM Sep 1, db wrote: We all ... most of us anyway ... just wish you would do the easy and more inexpensive thing by leaving that boat anchor on the bottom where it now

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:06 AM Sep 1, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Depends on what he is comfortable with. I just wiped a drive this a.m. and reinstalled M$'s latest good OS: Win XP. Why provide Apple with more fodder for its commercials? M$ is making its usual promises for the next OS, but I

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 1, 2009, at 2:51 PM Sep 1, db wrote: We all ... most of us anyway ... just wish you would do the easy and more inexpensive thing by leaving that boat anchor on the bottom where it now rests and belongs for all eternity and just get a computer off the shelf that is current and works.

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