Err, sorry, that email (slightly different) was sent to metzdowd too, which has
a very long moderation lag.
Emails appear to be approved instantly on this list for subscribers, so this
doesn't apply:
> - We don't have to wait for emails to be approved and show up
Unless, of course, this list e
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On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 16:44:24 -0500
Greg wrote:
> Thoughts?
Can we please *not* do this? Web forums are horribly annoying places
where we must deal with some other person's conception of what a good
client should look like.
Frankly, after everyth
> Can we please *not* do this? Web forums are horribly annoying places
> where we must deal with some other person's conception of what a good
> client should look like.
>
> Frankly, after everything that has happened this year, we should be
> seeking a more distributed solution, not an even mo
K, ya'll got some recommendations?
Also, do you enjoy not being able to edit your comments?
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On Dec 24, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Tim wrote:
>
>
>> Can we please *not* do this? Web forums are horribly annoyin
Also, for whatever reason, two people messaged me offlist saying that they
supported the idea.
On-list support would be more helpful though, as currently it looks like
there's two votes "No" and only one vote "yes".
One of them offered free hosting:
I'll spawn a VM on a private box in our [red
Oh wait, I got confused. The subjects said [Cryptography], not [cryptography],
which means they were replying to the @metzdowd list post.
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On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Greg wrote:
> Also, for whatever re
> - Easier and faster to administer and moderate
Whether or not the current setup is difficult and slow to administer is
something only the current administrators are in a position to judge.
> - You can actually *edit* your posts to correct typos and mistakes (amazing!)
Not compelling. For starte
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:54:51PM +, Malcolm Matalka wrote:
> > - Nobody complaining about "top posting", trimming "cruft" and other such
> > nonsense
calling etiquette nonsense
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On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:01 PM, stef wrote:
>>> - Nobody complaining about "top posting", trimming "cruft" and other such
>>> nonsense
>
> calling etiquette nonsense
You misunderstand me. I understand it is a polite thing to do.
Yes, it is polite to go out of your way for others because their ema
> Subject: [cryptography] Can we move to a forum, please?
> Thoughts?
If this moved to a forum, I'd probably not read it. I receive messages from
many different services, and if I had to remember to go online to read
messages, it wouldn't happen.
With the current system, messages appear in my
On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Raymond Burkholder wrote:
> If this moved to a forum, I'd probably not read it. I receive messages from
> many different services, and if I had to remember to go online to read
> messages, it wouldn't happen.
So, this might come as a shock to you, but as the first
This is a solution in search of a problem. This list is neither high
traffic or diverse enough to warrant a forum.
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I'm curious, is Aaron's response representative of the entire list's, or are
there folks out there lurking who would actually appreciate a forum?
Show of hands?
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On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Aaron Turner
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On 25/12/13 01:41, Aaron Turner wrote:
> This is a solution in search of a problem. This list is neither
> high traffic or diverse enough to warrant a forum.
Hello people:
I have heard worse requests. Remember these words: in the future,
people wi
You don't need to ask permission to create a forum. Just do it. If
enough people sign up, create accounts and move their discussions from
here to there then you'll have your answer. Asking for a "show of
hands" is probably the least scientific way of answering this
question. Far better to test t
On 12/24/2013 4:44 PM, Greg wrote:
I've used both phpBB and simplemachines, and far prefer the latter for its
simpler configuration, administration, and what seem like superior
spam-fighting capabilities.
The advantages are almost too numerous to list, and if people like getting the
message v
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
> [but I would vote strongly for having the list archived online! That
> makes searches of old threads and most every other 'benefit' of a forum
> available while not messing up the ongoing discussion mechanism at all]
Already happening: h
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:40:29 -0500
Greg wrote:
> K, ya'll got some recommendations?
Stick with the mailing list. If we are going to move anywhere, it
should be toward something like a moderated Usenet newsgroup (if not
actually moving to Usenet).
> Also, do you enjoy not being able to edit you
On 24 Dec 2013 at 20:06, Raymond Burkholder wrote:
> > Subject: [cryptography] Can we move to a forum, please?
> > Thoughts?
>
> If this moved to a forum, I'd probably not read it. I receive messages
> from
> many different services, and if I had to remember to go online to read
> messages, it w
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Forums can't be centrally managed in one application as easily as
mailing lists with filters can be. They are also a lot slower when
used over Tor.
When you're a member of a lot of lists it's a lot easier to set up a
few filters in your mail client
You would need to do some research, but there are forum plugins out there that
allow people who only want to communicate through the mailing list to keep
doing that.
For example: https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=2099210
A list-forum bridge connects a forum to a mailing list.
On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Jonathan Thornburg
wrote:
> Do NOT move to a web forum: that would require typing submissions into
> a web-browser comment box
Perhaps part of the reason folks are wary of forums is because they think
they'll lose what they love about mailing lists.
As I explained
Greg writes:
> Forums are simply superior to mailing lists in almost all respects
> (perhaps all). ...
> Thoughts?
How can an untraceable pseudonym, such as me, post to a forum?
(Don't say Tor -- Tor is connection based and deliberately low-latency,
so the source can be identified with IP pack
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:56:32 -0500
Greg wrote:
> It would be interesting, actually, to see whether the list's software
> could be automatically integrated with a forum like SMF.
Nobody needs to modify the list's software. You can just have your
forum's web server receive the mailing list's mess
It doesn't really make sense to think about moving. There are two separate
operations: the creation of a new thing, and the termination of the old
thing. If you want to make a new thing, nobody can stop you. If the
existing subscribers and the existing mailing list operator(s) don't
terminate the o
+1. passive listener here. please stick with email!
On 12/24/13, 4:58 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2013 at 20:06, Raymond Burkholder wrote:
>
>>> Subject: [cryptography] Can we move to a forum, please?
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> If this moved to a forum, I'd probably not read it. I receive mess
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 10:33:08PM -0500, Bernie Cosell wrote:
> So that's not a handy archive. But the first archive you mention is
> great -- I didn't know it existed: it should be publicized or something.
> I don't know if the RFCs permit it, but could there be a
>
> list-archive:
>
> h
This _was_ a good quality very high signal to noise ratio list but over the
past 3 months had turned into a very noisy, full of social chatter one.
I am thinking there is a way to combine the best of both worlds by moving
the social element to a forum and keep the legit content on the mailing
list
On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Aaron Turner wrote:
> You don't need to ask permission to create a forum. Just do it.
I'm not asking for permission.
I'm gauging interest. :-)
No sense in wasting time if it's clear there's no interest.
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On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 07:43:12PM -0500, Greg wrote:
> I'm curious, is Aaron's response representative of the entire list's, or are
> there folks out there lurking who would actually appreciate a forum?
>
> Show of hands?
I mostly lurk and I strongly prefer a mailing list solution.
I'm in the
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:03:31PM -0500, Benjamin Kreuter wrote:
> > I mostly lurk and I strongly prefer a mailing list solution.
> >
> > I'm in the Bitcoin community and we keep on talking about fully
> > decentralized backends to mailing lists/usenet replacements,
>
> Out of curiosity, where d
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 21:36:46 -0500
Peter Todd wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 07:43:12PM -0500, Greg wrote:
> > I'm curious, is Aaron's response representative of the entire
> > list's, or are there folks out there lurking who would actually
> > appreciate a forum?
> >
> > Show of hands?
>
> I
On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:02 PM, StealthMonger wrote:
> Greg writes:
>
>> Also, do you enjoy not being able to edit your comments?
>
> What kind of software do you suppose people are using, that might
> interfere with editing comments?
> Also, if you're so big on editing, why don't you edit your o
I, too, mostly lurk, and I would much prefer a mailing list for the
reasons stated, but mostly because it is much easier to use PGP with
email than web forums.
On 12/24/2013 06:36 PM, Peter Todd wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 07:43:12PM -0500, Greg wrote:
>> I'm curious, is Aaron's response repr
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 09:39:22PM -0500, Bernie Cosell wrote:
> *even*? So it isnt' "just like" a mailing list at all. Since I replied
> to this post by hitting 'r' in my email client... and out it went.
>
> I know PHPbb has gotten a lot fancier, but I still think that it is not
> near as con
On 24 Dec 2013 at 21:43, Peter Todd wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 09:39:22PM -0500, Bernie Cosell wrote:
> > [but I would vote strongly for having the list archived online! That
> > makes searches of old threads and most every other 'benefit' of a
> forum
> > available while not messing up th
An aside from these exchanges with points of views about preferring the format
of a forum, or not... Would you kind folks have any ideas about how to arrange
listserv settings to resolve difficulties we experience from a listserv,
opera-l , where participants can be less familiar with the mechan
Greg writes:
> Also, do you enjoy not being able to edit your comments?
What kind of software do you suppose people are using, that might
interfere with editing comments?
Also, if you're so big on editing, why don't you edit your own postings?
Or is it that you're ignorant of RFC 1855, Netiquet
On 24 Dec 2013 at 19:40, Greg wrote:
> So, this might come as a shock to you, but as the first email mentioned,
> forum software can be easily configured to reproduce the behavior of a
> mailing list.
Can you elaborate? I've never seen a forum that did so.
> You can subscribe to individual thre
Actually, let me clarify that a bit:
I'm also, as the title of this email suggests, making a proposal about this
list in particular.
It would be interesting, actually, to see whether the list's software could be
automatically integrated with a forum like SMF.
I don't know how edits would be ha
+1 from here as well.
On 12/25/2013 06:02 AM, Matt Ryanczak wrote:
+1. passive listener here. please stick with email!
On 12/24/13, 4:58 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote:
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On Tue, 24 Dec 2013, Greg wrote:
> Show of hands?
Stay with mailing list. Or create a usenet newsgroup.
Either of this keeps track of not-yet-read posts, groups posts into
threads, and allows composing new submissions in a convenient editing
environment.
Do NOT move to a web forum: that would
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 09:34:57PM -0500, Greg wrote:
> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:02 PM, StealthMonger
> wrote:
>
> > Greg writes:
> >
> >> Also, do you enjoy not being able to edit your comments?
> >
> > What kind of software do you suppose people are using, that might
> > interfere with editing
To those asking for a decentralized and anonymous solution - there is
Syndie on I2P, but I doubt that anyone here will like the interface or the
excessive slowness of the entire thing. Fetching lists of conversations can
take hours, and you don't really know if posts are missing or not.
Then there
On 25/12/2013 00:43, Greg wrote:
I'm curious, is Aaron's response representative of the entire list's, or are there folks out there lurking who would actually appreciate a forum?
Show of hands?
As long as I get the messages in my email inbox and can get m
*** Nicholas Bohm [2013-12-25 18:40]:
>I'm curious, is Aaron's response representative of the entire list's, or are
>the
>re folks out there lurking who would actually appreciate a forum?
I am just an ordinary reader here, but personally I am strongly against
forums. I won't read them anyway, I d
I would rather retain the mailing list.
On 25/12/2013 00:43, Greg wrote:
I'm curious, is Aaron's response representative of the entire list's, or are
there folks out there lurking who would actually appreciate a forum?
Show of hands?
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On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Greg wrote:
> I've used both phpBB and simplemachines, and far prefer the latter for its
> simpler configuration, administration, and what seem like superior
> spam-fighting capabilities.
I have seen similar requests on other mailing lists, including those
runni
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013, Greg wrote:
> The advantages are almost too numerous to list,
I prefer mail, but let a hundred flowers bloom, for whoever switches
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Hmm, interesting, thanks for sharing that Bryan! :-)
Looks like the list has spoken, and the answer seems to be a resounding "No!"
Cheers,
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On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Bryan Bishop wrote:
> On Tu
Greg writes:
> Forums are simply superior to mailing lists in almost all respects
> (perhaps all). ...
> Thoughts?
A forum is unacceptable if there is no way to post to it through email.
A pseudonym has to use email (through anonymizing remailers) to avoid
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>Stick with the mailing list. If we are going to move anywhere, it
>should be toward something like a moderated Usenet newsgroup (if not
>actually moving to Usenet).
Agreed.
By the way, I gateway this list to a local newsgroup on my usenet
server and read it there. Moving to usenet wouldn't be
I feel like people ended up talking past each other here.
Google Groups, as a product, clearly found success from merging a web forum
and an email list together. People use them both ways. I use plenty of
Google Groups in email-only. It's sometimes nice to have a forum
presentation.
I don't think
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Eric Mill wrote:
> ...
> I've been distantly watching http://www.discourse.org and I like their
> vision. I believe they allow, or want to allow, email-only interaction. I
> don't know if it does, and I don't know if Discourse is easy to set up, or
> appropriate f
I only subscribed to this list very recently, so my opinion probably doesn't
carry much weight, but I would love it if this list was moved to a forum! It is
much easier to find the information your interest in, easier to contribute to
and moderate topics, and just all the benefits already listed
On 24 Dec 2013 at 16:10, brian.otto wrote:
> I only subscribed to this list very recently, so my opinion probably
> doesn't carry much weight, but I would love it if this list was moved to
> a forum! It is much easier to find the information your interest in,
> easier to contribute to and modera
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