CS: Crime-firearm offences

2001-01-20 Thread Steven Kendrick
Go and have a look at this: http://www.official-documents.co.uk/document/cm50/5001/5001-03.htm There's a lot of interesting stuff here. Look for example at table 3.12, that indicates that 142 handguns were stolen from residential premises 1999-2000. As very few handguns can be legally k

CS: Field-shooting squirrels

2001-01-20 Thread Mike Burns
From: "Mike Burns", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 12ft-lb limit exists because it was felt that anything lower would be insufficient to humanely kill agricultural pests -- meaning rabbits and woodies. Squirrels are more effectively controlled by trapping, and few people eat them. (And those who

CS: Pol-The London March

2001-01-20 Thread VinceB
From: "VinceB", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Listers, Can anyone tell me the time and assembly point for the London March? And in case anyone is monitoring this and might withdraw my FAC, - I'm just asking on behalf of someone else! Cheers VinceB -- All the info is on their website, I think, www.

CS: Pol-How your MP voted on the hunting ban

2001-01-20 Thread Mike Burns
From: "Mike Burns", [EMAIL PROTECTED] H. Looks like most of the country and market town MP's are anti-ban. Now that's not surprising, really. Unfortunately there appear to be far more urban constituancies than rural. Ho hum. The morality of the town being shoved into the faces

CS: Misc-The mind boggles

2001-01-20 Thread alellis
From: "alellis", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I picked this up of another list. Could it be true.? Old English laws still on the books: All English males over the age 14 are to carry out 2 or so hours of longbow practice a week supervised by the local clergy. You can only shoot a Welsh p

CS: Misc-ISO 9000

2001-01-20 Thread David
From: David Chappell - UK, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hiya, I'm sorry, but I just have to add my two pence worth to this thread! One or two contributors have made reference to the ISO 9000 series as if they were some sort of guarantee of quality - They are not. ISO 9001, 9002 and 9003 (or t

CS: Pol-DNA Testing

2001-01-20 Thread KiPng
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Police to get new powers on DNA testing By Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor Source http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000114832908976&rtmo=0xGisxNq&atmo=0xGisxNq&p g=/et/01/1/20/ndna20.html THE prospect of routine DNA screening of the entire population dr

CS: Crime-Gimme Back My Bullets - by Robert A. Waters

2001-01-20 Thread Dr Chris R. Tame
From: "Dr Chris R. Tame", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/waters/2001/jan/edrw011701.htm >The Self Defense Files: >Gimme Back My Bullets >published: 01.17.01 > > >In most states, they'd at least have had a chance. > >The seven victims in the recent Wak

CS: Pol-NRA-ILA FAX ALERT

2001-01-20 Thread owner-rkba-alert
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NRA-ILA FAX ALERT Vol. 8, No. 3 1/19/01 ANOTHER BUSH CABINET NOMINEE FACES ATTACK BY GORE SUPPORTERS Last week, we told you about the attacks by gun-ban extremists on President-elect George W. Bush's nominee for Attorney General, former U.S. Senator John Ash

CS: Misc-polls

2001-01-20 Thread Ian Summerell
From: "Ian Summerell", [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I don't know how far these have got - been out a lot yesterday and will be > out most of today! > > Evening Standard (again) > http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/html/news.html > "Would you support a campaign of civil disobedience" > > North Devon

CS: Pol-Countryside March

2001-01-20 Thread AnthonyHar
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pity that Stuart Heal is not going on the March because he's "opposed to fox hunting". I thought we all knew by now, even many of the diehard Bisley single-shot target rifle types, that if we don't hang together we'll all hang separately... Even if only out of se

CS: Pol-Mr Al Fayed's email if you want to become an MP

2001-01-20 Thread Earl W
From: "Earl W", [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you may know, Mr Mohamed Al Fayed is sponsoring Independent MP's for the next election. This really is too good an opportunity to pass up, just think...all the wrongs that could be righted with us in Parliament!!! the email address is: [EMAIL P

CS: Misc-Proofing

2001-01-20 Thread bob blake
From: "bob blake", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The egg is received with thanks, but not yet cracked. I am still unable to find any reference to Proofing or Proofed in the OED, it may be that my edition is earlier than yours, so will accept that there is an entry under Proof Sheet / etching. Howev

Re: CS: Pol-March In March Worries

2001-01-20 Thread Steven Kendrick/UK
Oh, Neil, how wrong you are! I only wish you were correct. The things I could tell you... Steve.

CS: Pol-UN Owen Green on small arms

2001-01-20 Thread SSAA
From: SSAA, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Station:RADIO NATIONAL Date: 19/01/2001 Program:RADIO NATIONAL BREAKFASTTime: 07:50 AM Compere:SANDY MCCUTCHEONSummary ID: C3071498 SANDY MCCUTCHEON: There are half a billion of them in circulation causin

CS: Pol-ACPO on hunt ban

2001-01-20 Thread David M
From: "David M", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Telegraph ISSUE 2065 Friday 19 January 2001 Hunt ban will harm country policing, say chiefs By John Steele, Crime Correspondent CHIEF constables have warned the Home Office that a ban on hunting with dogs could damage relationships be

CS: Misc-Careless cops?

2001-01-20 Thread David M
From: "David M", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Police said today they had recovered a magazine containing 15 rounds of live ammunition lost by armed officers. A member of the public from the Carrington area of Nottingham rang police at 2.45am to say he had found what he thought was the missing magazin

CS: Misc-Suggestions for Mark Thomas - CH4

2001-01-20 Thread Neil
From: Neil Francis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >If there are any political suggestions for him to investigate send >him an email!!! How about a follow up to the expose he did on the Countryside Alliance in 1998? I seem to remember many hunters and shooters didn't like him too much the

CS: Pol-BBC Today programme interview with Yorkshire Chief Constable

2001-01-20 Thread Pete
From: Pete Ansbro, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm starting to hear about an interview this morning (18th January) with the Chief Constable of Yorkshire who, apparently, was chiding the Government for creating an impossible burden for police forces by banning fox hunting. I hear he was quite mutinou

CS: Pol-The march in March - We are Cybershooters

2001-01-20 Thread Pete
From: Pete Ansbro, [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's just a thought, but has anyone considered the idea of a placard along the lines of "UK Shooters on the net - www.cybershooters.org"? A simple poster design lodged on the net (for downloading and sticking to a suitable card on a stick) would perh

CS: Pol-Hunting ban

2001-01-20 Thread Brian Toller
From: "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED] For the first time I've actually seen the intended penalties for hunting when any ban comes into force. A maximum of a L5,000 fine. Having noted that its a maximum and that probably a lesser amount may be levied I wonder how many people the averag

CS: Field-shooting squirrels

2001-01-20 Thread Jonathan
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Actually thinking about this today, presumably 12 ft/lb >was decided on back when grey squirrels were pretty rare, The 12ft-lb limit exists because it was felt that anything lower would be insufficient to humanely kill agricultural pests -- mean

CS: Misc-Proofing

2001-01-20 Thread Jonathan
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >I agree with Steve. > >An inspection of the Oxford Dictionary will confirm that there are no such >words as proofed or proofing. An item is sent for "proof" (ie proof of its >integrity), when done it said to be "proved" (ie its integrity has be

CS: Misc-Stray horses on motorway are shot dead

2001-01-20 Thread Jonathan
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Telegraph 11.1.01 > >Stray horses on motorway are shot dead >By David Sapsted > > >THREE horses, part of a group that has been roaming and causing >chaos on the roads for two months, have been shot dead by police. Any information on what t

CS: Pol-Letter from Charles Clarke

2001-01-20 Thread Jonathan
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >I need some help from CS contributors to reply. I have put >my queries in brackets: >Quote: >The overall >crime rate in this country has risen during the same period, and much armed >crime will be linked to rises in other areas of crime

CS: Pol-Tony Banks on Muggers

2001-01-20 Thread Earl W
From: "Earl W", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone see Tony Banks MP in the debate on Fox Hunting, mention his recent mugging by 3 "Black" youths (also stated on "Clarkson" - BBC2) Interesting to see how his view of muggings & violent crime has changed now - He has now stated twice, first on

CS: Pol-Foxhunting...link to Hansard

2001-01-20 Thread Richard Loweth
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicking on this takes us to Hansard. Click then on 17 January and you can see what your MP had to say...or not! http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm/cmhansrd.htm Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List

CS: Pol-Hunting ban

2001-01-20 Thread Andrew Chastney
From: "Andrew Chastney", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The argument I always use against banning fox hunting is that foxes will become extinct in various areas as there will be no reason to put up with them any longer. Steve. It's a good argument; the Isle of Man is a case in point. Foxhunting

CS: Misc-Suggestions for Mark Thomas - CH4

2001-01-20 Thread DMBrundle
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] << His email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are any political suggestions for him to investigate send him an email!!! >> Memories seem a little short round here. Mark Thomas is very anti-gun and very anti-hunting. He was responsibl

CS: Misc-new book

2001-01-20 Thread andrew
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Browsing in Waterstons this dinner and came across a new book: Gun Culture or Gun Control, firearms violence and society by Peter Squires and published by Routledge. Priced L16.99. Supposedly a far reaching and unbiased analysis and report into the curren

CS: Crime-Gun laws spur more crime

2001-01-20 Thread Lorne Gunter
From: "Lorne Gunter", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Appeared in the Edmonton Journal Wednesday 17 February 2001 Which country is the source of these headlines, all of which have run in newspapers there since the New Year? "Panic over gun crime.'' "Police move to tackle huge rise in gun crime.'' "

CS: Pol-hunting ban

2001-01-20 Thread oddball
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterdays vote in the House of Prats marked a new low for the principle of freedom in the no longer Great Britain. How many people like me are fed up with the nanny state, political correctness, and the hypocrisy of the idiots who have the absolute right (courte

CS: Pol-ban on hunting.

2001-01-20 Thread Earl W
From: "Earl W", [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, is this now how the "Labour" party now worksEvery 3 years it *HAS* to BAN an activity & Persecute a section of society - from past & present experience - the most law abiding sections? Oh, not to mention the infringement & removal of the right of

CS: Pol-Sportsman's Association News Release 15/01/01

2001-01-20 Thread Pete
From: Pete Ansbro, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Most informed > speculation suggests that MPs will vote overwhelmingly for an > outright ban on hunting with dogs. > Animal rights activists have nearly succeeded in putting a company out > of business because it uses animal experiments for medic

CS: Legal-US Gun Case web site

2001-01-20 Thread Tom Charnock
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are looking for links to all sorts of USA gun cases then try http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/index.html Tom Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _

CS: Pol-Not going?

2001-01-20 Thread Ron Rosenfeld
From: "Ron Rosenfeld", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stuart wrote "So I won't be put off from joining the Countryside Alliance march by imagined threats of retaliation. The reason I won't be going is because I'm opposed to fox hunting. You do what you think's right." Sorry to hear that you're

CS: Pol-the debate in Parliament

2001-01-20 Thread Pete
From: Pete Ansbro, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't suppose we should any logic from the football minister: > But Tony Banks(Lab, West Ham) who is against hunting, gave assurances that > he, personally, would never ban angling. He said: "You don't hunt fish with > dogs and if you are a decent a

CS: Misc-Auberon Waugh R.I.P.

2001-01-20 Thread KiPng
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WAUGH - THE ARCH-ENEMY OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS 171536 JAN 10 By Sam Greenhill, PA News Auberon Waugh was shy, courteous, kind and gentle - in person. In print, the writer and satirist was a different animal, his acerbic views variously described as scathing, nasty

CS: Pol-How your MP voted on the hunting ban

2001-01-20 Thread KiPng
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_1123000/1123192.stm The above is a BBC site that lists exactly how each MP voted on the ban on fox hunting. Kenneth Pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROT

CS: Misc-lever-action shotguns

2001-01-20 Thread jonathan
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > P.S. Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger use a sawn off (Barrel & Stock) Large Loop > Winchester in Terminator 2? - Just thought of that!!! That was a shotgun 1897 Winchester? The loop was cut away in part to allow it to be spun rather than enlarged. Jonathan Laws

CS: Misc-lost ammo

2001-01-20 Thread Richard Loweth
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Excuse me they are not worthless 9mm JSP rounds. They are highly dangerous prohibited expanding ammunition suitable for use in even more dangerous prohibited small firearms. And...contained in (if ACPO had its way) a component part - the magazine -

CS: Legal-Guns for Self-defence

2001-01-20 Thread Norman
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been recalling a lot of things about police activity in Manchester UK at the end of the Great War and one of the points that has come up is the transfer of mounted "Irish police thugs" to England in 1920 from their job of holding down Ireland t

CS: Legal-Scottish Public Enquiry Law

2001-01-20 Thread Norman
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a lot more than just "protecting minors" involved. Cullen repeatedly said that no minors had been sexually assaulted by Hamilton - so why would they need this kind of "protection"? Why can't they just be identified as "child A", "child B"?

CS: Pol-My reply from William Hague

2001-01-20 Thread Richard Loweth
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is the "reply" if you could call it that from William Hague. It seems that all that happens is the reader sees the word "handgun" and prints out the "standard" "handgun" letter without bothering to read further. Monkey see...monkey do? "Mr

CS: Legal-Data protection Act

2001-01-20 Thread jonathan
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I under stand that as a result of the Data Protection Act (or some such) > a person caught on cctv can on paying a L10 fee have a copy of it. If > this can be confirmed then I will be asking the Met for copies of all > tapes that I am on, and if they can't ident