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Airport insanity
Cal Thomas (back to web version) | Send
October 13, 2004
Ted Kennedy and I have something in common. We are both on airline lists as
potential terror suspects.
Kennedy was recently denied
ts have
won". Waitaminute...doesn't Algeria prove that terrorism wins, eventually?
-TD
From: "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Airport insanity
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:08:59 -0400
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Thus spake James A. Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [15/10/04 15:19]:
: Has anyone who does not look a terrorist done a suicide mission
: outside Israel or Russia? Recall the shoe bomber. You just
: had to look at him. You would think the airport screeners would
: need to be half brain dead to let hi
--
> >My profile is radically different from all those who killed
> >nearly 3,000 of my countrymen on September 11, 2001. My
> >"holy book" of choice is the Bible. My race is Caucasian. I
> >am a loyal, taxpaying, patriotic, evil-hating,
> >English-as-first-language, natural-born American.
OK, Mr Donald...you're shittin' me, right?
Has anyone who does not look a terrorist done a suicide mission
outside Israel or Russia?
If you define a suicide mission a priori as the act of a terrorist (I guess
I do), then by definition anyone who performs such an act is a terrorist.
Therefore, any
At 3:55 PM -0700 10/15/04, John Young wrote:
>Most of the Boston Red Sox team look as if they have just
>come from a terrorist training camp for blind, handless barbers,
>decked-out in ill-fitting sports gear, staring wild-eyed at
>RPGs being fired at their heads and nuts, swinging clubs futilely
>
Most of the Boston Red Sox team look as if they have just
come from a terrorist training camp for blind, handless barbers,
decked-out in ill-fitting sports gear, staring wild-eyed at
RPGs being fired at their heads and nuts, swinging clubs futilely
at the inerrant missiles, their ass-wipe paws s
At 12:14 PM 10/15/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
>--
>> >My profile is radically different from all those who killed
>> >nearly 3,000 of my countrymen on September 11, 2001. My
>> >"holy book" of choice is the Bible. My race is Caucasian. I
>> >am a loyal, taxpaying, patriotic, evil-hating,
>
--
> > > > My profile is radically different from all those who
> > > > killed nearly 3,000 of my countrymen on September 11,
> > > > 2001. My "holy book" of choice is the Bible. My race is
> > > > Caucasian. I am a loyal, taxpaying, patriotic,
> > > > evil-hating, English-as-first-languag
On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 00:43, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> At 12:14 PM 10/15/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
> >--
> >> >My profile is radically different from all those who killed
> >> >nearly 3,000 of my countrymen on September 11, 2001. My
> >> >"holy book" of choice is the Bible. My race is
--
James A. Donald:
> > Just don't let anyone who looks like the shoe bomber fly.
> > Problem solved.
On 15 Oct 2004 at 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Huh? The one flaw in this logic is that this only works if
> you can send this particular definition of suspicious "looks"
> backwards in time.
First of all, there were 19 children killed in the OKC bombing. Were
these children guilty of some crime worthy of being killed by a truck
bomb?
Second of all, you make it sound like McVeigh was just your average-Joe
American. How could a non-fundamentalist knowingly kill 168 people?
Third, does
--
James A. Donald:
> > Has anyone who does not look a terrorist done a suicide
> > mission outside Israel or Russia? Recall the shoe bomber.
> > You just had to look at him. You would think the airport
> > screeners would need to be half brain dead to let him on
> > the plane. Come to thi
--
Damian Gerow
> > > I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that
> > > amount to basically: "You look like you've just left a
> > > terrorist training camp."
James A. Donald:
> > Nonetheless you can probably start fiddling with your shoes
> > on a plane without the passengers se
Thus spake James A. Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [16/10/04 14:33]:
: > I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that amount
: > to basically: "You look like you've just left a terrorist
: > training camp."
:
: Nonetheless you can probably start fiddling with your shoes on
: a plane witho
--- John Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most of the Boston Red Sox team look as if they have
> just
> come from a terrorist training camp for blind,
> handless barbers,
> decked-out in ill-fitting sports gear, staring
> wild-eyed at
> RPGs being fired at their heads and nuts, swinging
> clu
--- Damian Gerow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thus spake James A. Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> [15/10/04 15:19]:
>>[laws making stupidity mandatory for gov't
officials]
>
> I've had more than one comment about my ID photos
that amount to basically: "You look like you've just
left a terrorist tra
Damian Gerow wrote:
I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that amount to basically:
"You look like you've just left a terrorist training camp." For whatever
reason, pictures of me always come out looking like some crazed religious
fanatic. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to bomb
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> > > If you really look like the shoe bomber, then you should have to
> > > drive, or use public transport.
Ever tried to drive to Europe? Or to Hawaii?
Why airplanes don't count as a form of public transport?
> > So by that rationale, every Arab sho
>From: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 15, 2004 10:02 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Airport insanity
>First of all, the guy is a major dumbass...
>>My profile is radically different from all those who
>From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 16, 2004 7:01 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Airport insanity
..
>On 15 Oct 2004 at 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote:
..
>> He might have looked odd from the photo you saw circulated in
>> t
--
Thomas Shaddack:
> > > a. The probability ratios don't work out so that the
> > > overwhelming majority of people you throw off planes are
> > > innocent.
James A. Donald:
> > Provided the number of people you throw off planes is
> > rather small, I don't see the problem.
Thomas Shadda
On 2004-10-16T22:12:52-0400, Sunder wrote:
> There is still of course the matter of the unexploded bombs in that
> building that were dug out, and that the ATF received a "Don't come in to
> work" page on their beepers, and the seize and classification of all
> surveilance video tapes from thing
RTFGoogle?
Google revealed:
http://www.jubilee-newspaper.com/atf_last_operation.htm
http://www.constitution.org/okc/jdt03-01.htm
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/qa/23076.html
http://www.lpsf.org/LPSF_Newsletters/nl_10_01.html
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:vrlZD0TAzU8J:www.freerepublic.com/foru
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 15:17, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
> Pentagon protects their people by distance - being it by bombing from high
> altitude, or by using cruise missiles.
>
> Everybody uses the technology available to them. What's bad on it?
>
> Invariably, the side that uses the defensive measur
--
James A. Donald:
> > A very large number of muslims, particularly arab muslims-
> > a small minority in the US, a large minority or substantial
> > majority in many muslim countries, continually seek to
> > confront the infidel in a wide variety of ways, and
> > interpret our politeness and
--
Tyler Durden
> "Care to Avoid harming Muslims"?
>
> You are either trolling or [...]
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041018-124854-2279r.htm
: : Despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to
: : renounce violence, at least seven former prisoners
: : of the United Sta
--
John Kelsey
> It's one thing if you see some guy lighting a fuse sticking
> out of his shoe, and quite another if you say "You look kinda
> terroristy; I'm sending you off the plane." This works as a
> reasonable strategy only if:
>
> a. The probability ratios don't work out so that the
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> > People who are, for the most part, not like us are trying to kill
> > people like us. Let us chuck all those people not-like-us off those
> > planes where most of the passengers are people like us.
Thomas Shaddack
> Define "us"?
Easier to define "
At 12:07 PM -0700 10/18/04, James A. Donald wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
>> > People who are, for the most part, not like us are trying to kill
>> > people like us. Let us chuck all those people not-like-us off those
>> > planes where most of the passengers are people like u
litant Indonesian muslim commits an act of terrorism, we
should then exclude all asians from our airplanes, buses and subways?
I don't think you've thought this out very well.
-TD
From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL
--
James A. Donald:
> > > > > > If you really look like the shoe bomber, then you
> > > > > > should have to drive.
> > Thomas Shaddack
> > > Ever tried to drive to Europe? Or to Hawaii?
James A. Donald:
> > Hard biscuit
Thomas Shaddack
> Do I interpret this statement correctly as the endor
--
On 16 Oct 2004 at 19:42, Adam wrote:
> First of all, there were 19 children killed in the OKC
> bombing. Were these children guilty of some crime worthy of
> being killed by a truck bomb?
He was not targeting children.
> Second of all, you make it sound like McVeigh was just your
> aver
At 12:03 AM 10/17/2004, James A. Donald wrote:
On 16 Oct 2004 at 19:42, Adam wrote: [...]
> Second of all, you make it sound like McVeigh was just your
> average-Joe American. How could a non-fundamentalist
> knowingly kill 168 people?
Fundamentalism doesn't make people kill people.
Being pissed of
At 04:01 PM 10/16/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
>Tim McVeigh did not target innocents, nor was he a suicide
>bomber.
Neither did M. Atta et al. target innocents, he targeted those who
elected the Caesars. And they were not pursuing suicide (a
Moslem sin), since they are enjoying a comfy afterl
There is still of course the matter of the unexploded bombs in that
building that were dug out, and that the ATF received a "Don't come in to
work" page on their beepers, and the seize and classification of all
surveilance video tapes from things like ATM's across the street.
--
James A. Donald:
> > Mc Veigh did not target innocents, and if he did target a
> > plane full of innocents, perhaps in order to kill one
> > guilty man on board, there is no way in hell he himself
> > would be on that plane.
John Kelsey
> Well, he targeted a building full of innocents, s
--
James A. Donald:
> > > > If you really look like the shoe bomber, then you
> > > > should have to drive, or use public transport.
Thomas Shaddack
> Ever tried to drive to Europe? Or to Hawaii?
Hard biscuit
> Why airplanes don't count as a form of public transport?
They do.
> This is a
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To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airport insanity
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:48:25 -0700
--
James A. Donald:
> > A very large number of muslims, particularly arab muslims-
> > a small minority in the US, a large minority o
WOW!
Let's examine your little clip here.
Tyler Durden
> "Care to Avoid harming Muslims"?
Your statement was that the US took special care in avoiding harm to
Muslims. In this case we have Muslims tortured at Guantanamo and now angry
as hell. And you expected...what?
http://washingtontimes.com/
>From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 16, 2004 7:22 PM
>To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Airport insanity
..
>> Oh, and every white American (recall numerous references to
>> Mr. McVeigh)
>Mc V
>From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 16, 2004 2:27 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Airport insanity
>> For whatever reason, pictures of me always come out looking
>> like some crazed religious fanatic. But that doesn't mea
I think you need to read this remake of the "First they came for the
commies" poem. Short translation - whenever anyone's rights are being
trampled upon, whether it affects you or not, you should protest.
Goes along with one of the unsaid credos about cypherpunks: "I absolutely
disagree with w
At 07:42 PM 10/16/04 -0400, Adam wrote:
>First of all, there were 19 children killed in the OKC bombing. Were
>these children guilty of some crime worthy of being killed by a truck
>bomb?
They were being used as human shields by the fedcriminals in the
building. They were collateral damage, in th
James is wired to be unempathetic about victims, as was McVeigh,
as are fearless military and criminal killers, as are national leaders
of a yellow stripe who never taste the bitter end of their exculpatory
spin.
What makes the wire work is that they do not believe that what
they do unto others
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> > a. The probability ratios don't work out so that the
> > overwhelming majority of people you throw off planes are
> > innocent.
>
> Provided the number of people you throw off planes is rather
> small, I don't see the problem.
It isn't a proble
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> Thomas Shaddack wrote:
> > It isn't a problem for you until it happens to you. Who knows
> > when being interested in anon e-cash will become a ground to
> > blacklist *you*.
>
> I know when it will happen. It will happen when people
> interested
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> Sadre protected himself with Iraqi women and young children as
> human shields, showing that he expected the Pentagon to show
> more concern for Iraqi lives than he did.
Pentagon protects their people by distance - being it by bombing from high
alt
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
>
> --
> James A. Donald:
> > > > > If you really look like the shoe bomber, then you
> > > > > should have to drive, or use public transport.
>
> Thomas Shaddack
> > Ever tried to drive to Europe? Or to Hawaii?
>
> Hard biscuit
Do I interpret t
Bill Stewart wrote...
Unfortunately, the primary algorithm seems to work like this:
- Somebody puts a name on some list because it seems like a
good idea at the time, and there's no due process required.
- Everybody copies lists from everybody else,
with minimal attempt to track whe
James,
I appreciate your valiant if futile effort to defend honorable
militarism, but you appear not to understand that much of
current US military doctrine is aimed at terrorizing enemy
forces, en masse, into submission, not merely courageously
killing each combatant, mano a mano.
Carpet bomb
--
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041018-124854-2279r.htm
> >: : Despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to
> >: : renounce violence, at least seven former prisoners
> >: : of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have
> >: : returned to terrorism, at tim
--
Thomas Shaddack:
> > > It isn't a problem for you until it happens to you. Who
> > > knows when being interested in anon e-cash will become a
> > > ground to blacklist *you*.
James A. Donald:
> > I know when it will happen. It will happen when people
> > interested in anon ecash go
At 12:18 PM 10/18/2004, James A. Donald wrote:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041018-124854-2279r.htm
: : Despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to
: : renounce violence, at least seven former prisoners
: : of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have
: : retu
Damian Gerow
> I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that amount
> to basically: "You look like you've just left a terrorist
> training camp."
As Erma Bombeck wrote, by the time you look like your
passport photo, it's time to come home from vacation.
An extra couple of red-eye flights
--
On 19 Oct 2004 at 14:46, John Young wrote:
> you appear not to understand that much of current US military
> doctrine is aimed at terrorizing enemy forces, en masse, into
> submission, not merely courageously killing each combatant,
> mano a mano.
>
> Carpet bombing, bunker-busting, cruis
James Donald recently wrote
> Thomas Shaddack wrote:
> > It isn't a problem for you until it happens to you. Who knows
> > when being interested in anon e-cash will become a ground to
> > blacklist *you*.
> I know when it will happen. It will happen when people
> interested in anon ecash go on sui
--
Tyler Durden
> Your statement was that the US took special care in avoiding
> harm to Muslims. In this case we have Muslims tortured at
> Guantanamo and now angry as hell. And you expected...what?
I expected them to be KEPT in Guantanamo.
Furthermore, they were not tortured, though they sh
--
On 18 Oct 2004 at 13:35, John Young wrote:
> James is wired to be unempathetic about victims, as was
> McVeigh, as are fearless military and criminal killers, as
> are national leaders of a yellow stripe who never taste the
> bitter end of their exculpatory spin.
>
> What makes the wire work
--
On 18 Oct 2004 at 15:31, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Aside from that, your posts are completely saturated with the
> "They're more evil than we are therefore it's OK for us to be
> fuckin them over" logic.
They are more evil that we are, as demonstrated by their
propensity to kill all sorts of
--
James A. Donald:
> > Sadre protected himself with Iraqi women and young children
> > as human shields, showing that he expected the Pentagon to
> > show more concern for Iraqi lives than he did.
Thomas Shaddack
> Pentagon protects their people by distance - being it by
> bombing from high a
--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > The US government should expose and condemn these
> > objectionable practices, subvert moderately objectionable
> > regimes, and annihilate more objectionable regimes. The
> > pentagon should deprive moderately objectionable regimes of
> > economic resources,
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> The US government should expose and condemn these objectionable
> practices, subvert moderately objectionable regimes, and
> annihilate more objectionable regimes. The pentagon should
> deprive moderately objectionable regimes of economic resources
I repeat:
And you were there and kept an eye on each and every guard, interrogator,
and prisoner to make sure that the POW's weren't tortured?
And I add:
And you were there and witnessed the attrocities that said prisoners
committed in order to be placed in Gitmo?
No? to both questions? Then
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> Here is my prescription for winning the war on terrorism
>
> We SHOULD rely on shock and awe, administered by men in white
> coats far from the scene.
> The US government should expose and condemn these objectionable
> practices, subvert moder
--
On 20 Oct 2004 at 13:05, Sunder wrote:
> Re: Gitmo
>
> And you were there and kept an eye on each and every guard,
> interrogator, and prisoner to make sure that the POW's
> weren't tortured?
Lots of murderous terrorists have been released from Guatanamo,
and in the nearly all cases the
Re: Gitmo
And you were there and kept an eye on each and every guard, interrogator,
and prisoner to make sure that the POW's weren't tortured?
Wow, you are good... or phrased another way, what brand of crack are you
smokin' 'cause the rest of us thin it's some really good shit and would
like
--
On 20 Oct 2004 at 21:27, Sunder wrote:
> I repeat:
>
> And you were there and kept an eye on each and every guard,
> interrogator, and prisoner to make sure that the POW's
> weren't tortured?
We know torture did not occur, because lots of people have been
released who were and are extre
I made no claims, you did, rather I asked you sarcastically to validate
your claims, after which you further assumed on top of other mistaken
assumptions, that I made claims countering yours, which I did not.
Perhaps you should examine your own words.
IMHO, you are a misguided armchair general w
On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 09:43:16AM -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
> When people are under attack, you cannot tell them to suck it
> up, which is what you are doing. If we had no government, we
I'm not under attack. Are you? The Ghengis Khan thing's
been a while back.
> might well be doing pog
--
On 21 Oct 2004 at 10:26, Sunder wrote:
> IMHO, you are a misguided armchair general who sees yourself
> as equal to those scumbags that have risen in power to lead
> or enslave nations since you seem to constantly say "they
> should have done X, and not Y"
When people are under attack, y
No you imbecile, I'm telling no one anything, other than you to get a
clue. Where did I tell people who are under attack to suck it up?
All I did was point out that you weren't there and therefore any comment
you care to make about it is bound to be flawed.
Please find yourself a clue store an
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 21 Oct 2004 at 13:41, Sunder wrote:
> > No you imbecile, I'm telling no one anything, other than you
> > to get a clue. Where did I tell people who are under attack
> > to suck it up?
>
> When you tell us it is horrible to lock up in Gautenamo peo
--
On 21 Oct 2004 at 13:41, Sunder wrote:
> No you imbecile, I'm telling no one anything, other than you
> to get a clue. Where did I tell people who are under attack
> to suck it up?
When you tell us it is horrible to lock up in Gautenamo people
who show every sign of trying to kill us ,
--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > We are under attack, and you are telling us to suck it up.
J.A. Terranson
> No. We are under attack by those DEFENDING THEMSELVES.
All of the terrorists came from countries that were
beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi Arabia
was certainly not
>From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 20, 2004 3:10 PM
>To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Airport insanity
>Lots of murderous terrorists have been released from Guatanamo,
>and in the nearly all cases th
--
On 22 Oct 2004 at 0:00, John Kelsey wrote:
> All but one of the comments I read about involved a lot of
> complaints about mistreatment, albeit often with the
> admission that Gitmo was still better than being in an Afghan
> prison. As a nitpick, though, it's not at all clear that most
>
>From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 22, 2004 12:21 PM
>To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Airport insanity
>All of the terrorists came from countries that were
>beneficiaries of an immense amount of US h
At 02:20 AM 10/21/2004, James A. Donald wrote:
Doubtless there are some innocents in Gautenamo - but the usual
reason they are there is for being foreigners in Afghanistan in
the middle of a war with no adequate explanation.
At 09:21 AM 10/22/2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> J.A. Terranson
> > No. W
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> "James A. Donald"
> > > All of the terrorists came from countries that were
> > > beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi
> > > Arabia was certainly not under attack. If they were
> > > Palestinians, and they hit the Pentagon but not th
--
On 22 Oct 2004 at 11:12, Bill Stewart wrote:
> James - Many, perhaps most, of the POWs at Gitmo weren't
> foreigners, they were Afghans. Many of the POWs at Gitmo
> probably were Al-Qaeda or other organized paramilitary
> groups. But many of them were described by the US
> propagandists as
At 01:03 PM 10/23/04 -0400, John Kelsey wrote:
>Blowing up a building full of random people because a few of them are
associated with >some action you really disagree with is just outside
the realm of the sort of moral decision I >can figure out. Just like
flying planes into buildings full of peop
--
John Kelsey
> > > I'm still trying to understand the moral theory on which
> > > you differentiate hitting the two towers from the
> > > Oklaholma City bombing.
James A. Donald:
> > The pentagon did not have a branch office in the two
> > towers. BATF had an office in the Murrah building.
--
On 23 Oct 2004 at 19:25, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> There are all "givens" to the rest of us - I am trying to fit
> these arguments into Donald's Reality Distortion Field.
Is it also a "given" to you, as it is to Tyler, that the US
attacked North Korea, and that the reason for this attack was
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> The Taliban were illegitimate, not on legal grounds, but
> because they were evil.
Using this line of "reasoning", Shrub is ripe for that overdue case of
high velocity lead poisoning.
> If someone was in the Taliban, then those threatened by the
>
t that Al-Qaeda were probably
unaware in advance of the impact on Telecom, the rest was certainly a
conscious decision.
-TD
From: "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj
Steve Furlong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> [1] The defensive aspect here is to allow the attackers to attack from
>> distance beyond the reach of the other side's active defenses, thus not
>> risking anything more than a piece of overpriced electronics.
>
> If some asshole is coming at you wit
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 11:37:02PM -0400, Adam wrote:
> None-the-less, this has been one of the more inteteresting (and
> infuriating) threads in recent memory of Cypherpunks. I'm glad we're
> going through it with such vigor.
That thread bores me to tears.
I miss technical content. Or, at least
--
James A. Donald:
> > The Taliban were illegitimate, not on legal grounds, but
> > because they were evil.
J.A. Terranson
> Using this line of "reasoning", Shrub is ripe for that
> overdue case of high velocity lead poisoning.
Doubtless he is, but to suggest that he is comparably evil to
You know, the more I read posts by Mr. Donald, the more I believe that
he is quite possibly the most apt troll I have ever encountered. It is
quite apparent from reading his responses that he is obviously an
exceptionally intelligent (academically anyway) individual. I find it
hard to believe that
--
"James A. Donald"
> > All of the terrorists came from countries that were
> > beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi
> > Arabia was certainly not under attack. If they were
> > Palestinians, and they hit the Pentagon but not the two
> > towers, then they would be defendin
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> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Airport insanity
>
> Let us not forget the more tangible 'value' in bombing the WTC and messing
> up things downtown. First of all, the companies in the WTC were, to say the
> least, impacted (actually, t
There were several USG offices in the Twin Towers, some of
them intelligence. In addition, CIA was located in 7 WTC, along
with Secret Service and military offices. The military offices
were used as cover for the others. There was far more USG in
WTC than in Murrah, and the lesson learned in OKC
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> You guys just keep making up facts.
>
> There were no branches of the armed services in the towers.
> You are just spouting bullshit, like the story that Osama Bin
> Laden was trained by the CIA, that Saddam was installed in a
> CIA coup, and all tho
>From: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 23, 2004 7:41 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Airport insanity
>Let us not forget the more tangible 'value' in bombing the WTC and messing
>up things downtow
Adam wrote:
You know, the more I read posts by Mr. Donald, the more I believe that
he is quite possibly the most apt troll I have ever encountered. It is
quite apparent from reading his responses that he is obviously an
exceptionally intelligent (academically anyway) individual. I find it
hard to b
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On 23 Oct 2004 at 23:37, Adam wrote:
> You know, the more I read posts by Mr. Donald, the more I
> believe that he is quite possibly the most apt troll I have
> ever encountered.
Why don't you pick one particular factual claim, for example
that Bin Laden was a CIA agent, and defend it, inst
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James A. Donald wrote:
> > You guys just keep making up facts.
> >
> > There were no branches of the armed services in the towers.
> > You are just spouting bullshit, like the story that Osama
> > Bin Laden was trained by the CIA, that Saddam was installed
> > in a CIA coup, and all thos
Can you guys please take it outside? The majority of us just isn't
interested.
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 12:49:52PM -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
> Nail your colors to the mast. Pick one of the above and defend
> it.
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At 9:56 PM +0200 10/24/04, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>Can you guys please take it outside? The majority of us just isn't
>interested.
Oh, please. Who's this "us", white man?
Personally, I'm having a lot of fun watching this.
What amazes me the most is that
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