Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannotaccess my storage, need syntax help)

2024-01-18 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024, 9:35 PM gene heskett wrote: > On 1/17/24 19:54, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Andy Smith wrote: > ... > >> Then there will just be people going by taste. > >> > >> Personally I still put them directly on drives. If I ever get taken > >> out by one of those crappy motherboard

Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help)

2024-01-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hey Andy. Andy Smith wrote: > >On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 12:53:43AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'm clearly a member of a third group of people,,, :-) > >Oh, I didn't mean to imply that those going by taste were in a >minority! Taste, or possibly, "just never thought about it" could >well be the

Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help)

2024-01-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 12:53:43AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I'm clearly a member of a third group of people,,, :-) Oh, I didn't mean to imply that those going by taste were in a minority! Taste, or possibly, "just never thought about it" could well be the biggest group. I was only ta

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-18 Thread gene heskett
needle in the haystack or do a fresh install.  I prefer the latter, because I can estimate the effort and I am reasonably confident of the outcome. One thing that bothers me is there is no way the installers parted shows partition names for non-raid disks. To me that is a serious bug. It app

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-18 Thread David Christensen
ll. I prefer the latter, because I can estimate the effort and I am reasonably confident of the outcome. One thing that bothers me is there is no way the installers parted shows partition names for non-raid disks. To me that is a serious bug. It appears from the help that it can LABEL a

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, gene heskett wrote: > > where did the extra 19.4G's come from? Can filesystem > > ext4's overhead account for that? In an earlier mail: > > > command line: rsync -a --bwlimit=10m --fsync --progress /home/ > > > /mnt/homevol David Christensen wrote: > Please RTFM rsync(1) to choose your opt

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 21:10:28 -0500 gene heskett wrote: > gene@coyote:~/src/klipper-docs$ lsblk -d -o > NAME,MAJ:MIN,MODEL,SERIAL,WWN /dev/sd[hijkl] > NAME MAJ:MIN MODEL SERIAL WWN > sdh8:112 Gigastone SSD GSTD02TB230102 > sdi8:128 Gigastone SSD GST02TBG221146 > sdj8:

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
burnt. All I have to do is convince it to not install orca and brltty. Probably by unplugging _all_ usb stuff except the keyboard and mouse buttons. What would solve many of my problems is a bit of help from someone who it running trinity to tell me how to install it on a system w/o any inst

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread David Christensen
to not install orca and brltty. Probably by unplugging _all_ usb stuff except the keyboard and mouse buttons. What would solve many of my problems is a bit of help from someone who it running trinity to tell me how to install it on a system w/o any installed gui which obviously disables synapt

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
a and can be recovered. I already have a dvd with the most recent netinstall burnt. All I have to do is convince it to not install orca and brltty. Probably by unplugging _all_ usb stuff except the keyboard and mouse buttons. What would solve many of my problems is a bit of help from someone w

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread David Wright
On Wed 17 Jan 2024 at 15:34:09 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/17/24 12:27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > David Christensen wrote: > > > I suspect the conflicting serial numbers are causing problems in the > > > kernel, > > > as indicated by the /dev/disk/by-id/* problems. > > > > That's not in t

Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannotaccess my storage, need syntax help)

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
On 1/17/24 19:54, Steve McIntyre wrote: Andy Smith wrote: The newer set of people recommending partitions are mostly doing so because there's been a few incidents of "helpful" PC motherboards detecting on boot what they think is a corrupt GPT, and replacing it with a blank one, damaging the RAI

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread David Christensen
On 1/17/24 15:58, gene heskett wrote: Now the question is how did it make this: homevol s/b very close to /home  in size but: root@coyote:~# df && free Filesystem  1K-blocks  Used  Available Use% Mounted on udev 16327704 0   16327704   0% /dev tmpfs 327268

Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help)

2024-01-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
Andy Smith wrote: > >The newer set of people recommending partitions are mostly doing so >because there's been a few incidents of "helpful" PC motherboards >detecting on boot what they think is a corrupt GPT, and replacing it >with a blank one, damaging the RAID. This is a real thing that has >happ

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
d/or standard error (via shell redirection). A related issue is that lots of standard output can slow a program. Minimizing a terminal can help.  Redirecting standard output to a file or to /dev/null can help, especially when done on the remote host while using ssh(1). The best solution is to

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread David Christensen
ection). A related issue is that lots of standard output can slow a program. Minimizing a terminal can help. Redirecting standard output to a file or to /dev/null can help, especially when done on the remote host while using ssh(1). The best solution is to tell rsync(1) not to generate mess

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
On 1/17/24 16:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, i wrote: What did finally help ? Just the shorter terminal scroll back memory ? gene heskett wrote: That, and possibly the --bwlimit=10m, giving the SSD time to keep their stuff in one sock. Then i place my bet on the terminal alone. Linux is

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > What did finally help ? Just the shorter terminal scroll back memory ? gene heskett wrote: > That, and possibly the --bwlimit=10m, giving the SSD time to keep their > stuff in one sock. Then i place my bet on the terminal alone. Linux is able to handle disk-to-disk

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread David Christensen
On 1/17/24 09:31, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, David Christensen wrote: I suspect the conflicting serial numbers are causing problems in the kernel, as indicated by the /dev/disk/by-id/* problems. That's not in the kernel but in udev/systemd's process of creating the symbolic links in /dev/disk/

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
that machine at the same time. Should not be a problem if labeled uniquely.  And that's easily affected by gparted. One of you made the remark that seems to be the secret password. What did finally help ? Just the shorter terminal scroll back memory ? That, and possibly the --bwlim

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
On 1/17/24 12:27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, David Christensen wrote: I suspect the conflicting serial numbers are causing problems in the kernel, as indicated by the /dev/disk/by-id/* problems. That's not in the kernel but in udev/systemd's process of creating the symbolic links in /dev/disk/

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
On 1/17/24 12:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Curt wrote: I discovered a couple of discussions of the phenomenon, the upshot of which were: 1) That's what you get when you purchase cheap SSDs. https://www.reddit.com/r/truenas/comments/s0rrpo/two_sata_ssds_with_identical_serial_numbers/ 2) SSDs be

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
On 1/17/24 11:38, Curt wrote: On 2024-01-17, Thomas Schmitt wrote: This is just weird. I still have difficulties to believe that any disk manufacturer would hand out disks with colliding serial numbers. I googled for this phenomenon, but except two mails of Gene nothing similar popped up. I

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
hould not be a problem if labeled uniquely. And that's easily affected by gparted. One of you made the remark that seems to be the secret password. What did finally help ? Just the shorter terminal scroll back memory ? That, and possibly the --bwlimit=10m, giving the SSD time to keep their

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i see that i messed up "h" and "k" in my explanation of the fight over the link targets in /dev/disk/by-id. So another attempt: sdh has a unique serial number GSTD02TB230102. Thus we see in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/01/msg00667.html these two links: /dev/sdh/dev/d

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, David Christensen wrote: > I suspect the conflicting serial numbers are causing problems in the kernel, > as indicated by the /dev/disk/by-id/* problems. That's not in the kernel but in udev/systemd's process of creating the symbolic links in /dev/disk/by-id/. It gets /dev/sd[h-l] and /dev/sd

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Curt wrote: > I discovered a couple of discussions of the phenomenon, the upshot of which > were: > 1) That's what you get when you purchase cheap SSDs. > https://www.reddit.com/r/truenas/comments/s0rrpo/two_sata_ssds_with_identical_serial_numbers/ > 2) SSDs belonging to the same software RAID

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread David Christensen
On 1/17/24 06:18, gene heskett wrote: On 1/17/24 00:52, David Christensen wrote: I suggest removing one GST02TBG221146 and one GSTG02TB230206.  Put them on the shelf, in other computer(s), or sell them.  Then perhaps copying the /home RAID10 2 TB to one Gigastone 2 TB SSD would work. Or LABEL

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread David Christensen
On 1/16/24 23:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: One of these mails from a thread in december reveals that the three unique serial numbers GSTD02TB230102, GST02TBG221146, GSTG02TB230206 each come with a different version of "1C0", "7A0", "5A0", respectively. https://www.mail-archive

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread Curt
On 2024-01-17, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > This is just weird. > I still have difficulties to believe that any disk manufacturer would > hand out disks with colliding serial numbers. I googled for this > phenomenon, but except two mails of Gene nothing similar popped up. I discovered a couple of di

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
so, one would have to make sure that it is not some weird effect of them all being plugged into that machine at the same time. > One of you made the remark that seems to be the secret password. What did finally help ? Just the shorter terminal scroll back memory ? It would explain why a ver

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
On 1/17/24 02:42, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: lsblk, which I've published several times, shows 5 drives. Duh. Obviously this thread overstretches my mental capacity. And I've since tried cp in addition to rsync, does the same thing, killing the sysytem with the OOM but mu

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-17 Thread gene heskett
On 1/17/24 00:52, David Christensen wrote: On 1/16/24 17:08, gene heskett wrote: > lsblk, which I've published several times, shows 5 drives. by-id listing > only shows 3. The drive I've been trying to use bounces from /dev/sdd to > sde to sdh dependin on which controller it is curently plugge

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > lsblk, which I've published several times, shows 5 drives. Duh. Obviously this thread overstretches my mental capacity. > And I've since tried cp in addition to rsync, does the same thing, killing > the sysytem with the OOM but much quicker. cp using all system memory

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread David Christensen
On 1/16/24 17:08, gene heskett wrote: > lsblk, which I've published several times, shows 5 drives. by-id listing > only shows 3. The drive I've been trying to use bounces from /dev/sdd to > sde to sdh dependin on which controller it is curently plugged into. > > And I've since tried cp in addition

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Felix Miata
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-16 20:08 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> I straightened out the wrapping mess, and gave each entry a line number. I >> see >> nothing I recognize as representing serial number duplication among /dev/sdX >> (physical device) names: >> /dev/sda 9 /dev/dis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread gene heskett
On 1/16/24 11:08, Thomas Schmitt wrote: ls -l /dev/sd[ij]* oot@coyote:~# ls -l /dev/sd[ij]* brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 128 Jan 16 05:01 /dev/sdi brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 129 Jan 16 05:01 /dev/sdi1 brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 144 Jan 16 05:01 /dev/sdj brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 145 Jan 16 05:01 /

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread gene heskett
On 1/16/24 06:09, Felix Miata wrote: Tom Furie composed on 2024-01-16 08:18 (UTC): Felix Miata writes: /dev/sdc 18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? By having some kind of SD card slot or similar. So this pol

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread David Wright
On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 20:08:12 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/16/24 00:56, Felix Miata wrote: > > gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UTC-0500): > > > > > Thanks for that composition: but it will be word wrapped: > > > root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n' >

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread gene heskett
On 1/16/24 01:18, Felix Miata wrote: Felix Miata composed on 2024-01-16 01:05 (UTC-0500): gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 18:37 (UTC-0500): Ah,but I finally glombed onto the bug tan memory bar in htop as it was runniing, someplace in the data chain is a huge memory leak, my crash is caus

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread gene heskett
On 1/16/24 01:05, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 18:37 (UTC-0500): Ah,but I finally glombed onto the bug tan memory bar in htop as it was runniing, someplace in the data chain is a huge memory leak, my crash is caused by the OOM daemon killing things. And it only occurs

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread gene heskett
On 1/16/24 00:56, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UTC-0500): Thanks for that composition: but it will be word wrapped: root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n' "$(realpath "$j")" "$j" ; done /dev/sr0/dev/disk/by-id/ata-ATAPI_iHAS424_

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread David Wright
On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 06:08:35 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > Tom Furie composed on 2024-01-16 08:18 (UTC): > > Felix Miata writes: > > >> /dev/sdc 18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # > >> How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? > > > By having some kind of

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread David Wright
On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 09:40:19 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 09:31:54AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > David Wright composed on 2024-01-16 08:05 (UTC-0600): > > > On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 00:55:52 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > > >> gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UT

To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help)

2024-01-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 01:01:02PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > On 1/16/24 11:51, Franco Martelli wrote: > > I thought it was mandatory for a RAID to partition drives with this > > partition type, am I wrong? In the ancient past it was required, because that was one of the ways that m

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread David Christensen
On 1/16/24 11:51, Franco Martelli wrote: On 15/01/24 at 08:43, David Christensen wrote: When I built and ran a Debian 2 @ HDD RAID1 using mdadm(8), I did not partiton the HDD's -- I gave mdadm(8) the whole drives. I don't know if it is a good idea, in fact it exists a special partition type f

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Franco Martelli
On 15/01/24 at 08:43, David Christensen wrote: This I am still trying to do, the first pass copied all 350G of /home but went to the wrong drive, and I had mounted the drive by its label. It is now /dev/sdh and all labels above it are now wrong. Crazy. These SSD's all have an OTP serial number.

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 01:17:42AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > If rsync really is bugged, maybe a change of options would avoid the bug. Try > instead of -av, -rlptgoDAXUNH. Could it be that verbosity is the OOM > crippler, and > not necessarily from rsync itself, but possibly from the xte

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i, too, wondered where there should be a duplicate serial number. But indeed: David Wright wrote: > > /dev/sdi53 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146 > > /dev/sdj1 54 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146-part1 > ↑ that is /really/ bad! Does the numbe

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Max Nikulin
On 16/01/2024 15:18, Tom Furie wrote: /dev/sdc 18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? By having some kind of SD card slot or similar. I have heard that some devices expose a USB mass storage interface out of the box

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 09:31:54AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2024-01-16 08:05 (UTC-0600): > > > On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 00:55:52 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > > >> gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UTC-0500): > > >>> Thanks for that composition: but it will be w

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Felix Miata
David Wright composed on 2024-01-16 08:05 (UTC-0600): > On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 00:55:52 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: >> gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UTC-0500): >>> Thanks for that composition: but it will be word wrapped: >>> root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread David Wright
On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 00:55:52 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UTC-0500): > > > Thanks for that composition: but it will be word wrapped: > > root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n' > > "$(realpath "$j")" "$j" ; done > > /dev/sr0

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Valerio Vanni
Il 16/01/2024 12:08, Felix Miata ha scritto: Tom Furie composed on 2024-01-16 08:18 (UTC): Felix Miata writes: /dev/sdc 18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? By having some kind of SD card slot or similar. So

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Felix Miata
Tom Furie composed on 2024-01-16 08:18 (UTC): > Felix Miata writes: >> /dev/sdc 18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # >> How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? > By having some kind of SD card slot or similar. So this pollution only results from a USB-conn

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-16 Thread Tom Furie
Felix Miata writes: > /dev/sdc 18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # > How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? By having some kind of SD card slot or similar.

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread Felix Miata
Felix Miata composed on 2024-01-16 01:05 (UTC-0500): > gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 18:37 (UTC-0500): >> Ah,but I finally glombed onto the bug tan memory bar in htop as it was >> runniing, someplace in the data chain is a huge memory leak, my crash is >> caused by the OOM daemon killing

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread Felix Miata
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 18:37 (UTC-0500): > Ah,but I finally glombed onto the bug tan memory bar in htop as it was > runniing, someplace in the data chain is a huge memory leak, my crash is > caused by the OOM daemon killing things. And it only occurs when I run > rsync. Only takes

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread Felix Miata
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UTC-0500): > Thanks for that composition: but it will be word wrapped: > root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n' > "$(realpath "$j")" "$j" ; done > /dev/sr0/dev/disk/by-id/ata-ATAPI_iHAS424_B_3524253_327133504865 > /dev/s

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Wright
On Mon 15 Jan 2024 at 18:27:14 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/15/24 14:57, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 20:15:16 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > > > On 1/14/24 18:57, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 18:39 (UTC-0500): > > > > > Felix Miata wrote: >

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Wright
On Mon 15 Jan 2024 at 20:31:55 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/15/24 19:11, David Christensen wrote: > > On 1/15/24 16:03, gene heskett wrote: > > > On 1/15/24 18:41, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 1/15/24 17:58, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > On 1/15/24 14:55, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > On

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Christensen
On 1/15/24 17:31, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 19:11, David Christensen wrote: On 1/15/24 16:03, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 18:41, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 17:58, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 14:55, David Wright wrote: On Mon 15 Jan 2024 at 08:39:37 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 19:11, David Christensen wrote: On 1/15/24 16:03, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 18:41, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 17:58, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 14:55, David Wright wrote: On Mon 15 Jan 2024 at 08:39:37 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146 ata-

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Christensen
On 1/15/24 16:03, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 18:41, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 17:58, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 14:55, David Wright wrote: On Mon 15 Jan 2024 at 08:39:37 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146 ata-Gigastone_SSD_GSTD02TB230102 ata-Gigastone_S

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Christensen
On 1/15/24 15:53, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 18:15, David Christensen wrote: On 1/15/24 14:56, gene heskett wrote: root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n' "$(realpath "$j")" "$j" ; done /dev/sr0    /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ATAPI_iHAS424_B_3524253_327133504865 /dev/s

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 18:41, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 17:58, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 14:55, David Wright wrote: On Mon 15 Jan 2024 at 08:39:37 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 20:19, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 19:48, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 14:48:49 (-0500), ge

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 18:15, David Christensen wrote: On 1/15/24 14:56, gene heskett wrote: root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n' "$(realpath "$j")" "$j" ; done /dev/sr0    /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ATAPI_iHAS424_B_3524253_327133504865 /dev/sdi    /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Christensen
On 1/15/24 15:37, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 16:51, David Christensen wrote: I think your computer has numerous issues, including storage.  Unless and until you benchmark the Gigastone SSD's in a stripped-down machine with a reference OS and tool set, I would not blame the Gigastone SSD's.

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 17:58, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 14:55, David Wright wrote: On Mon 15 Jan 2024 at 08:39:37 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 20:19, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 19:48, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 14:48:49 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 07:42, Da

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 16:51, David Christensen wrote: On 1/15/24 06:45, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 02:45, David Christensen wrote: On 1/14/24 11:48, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: ... the 2dn seagate 2T drive failure was my amanda vtapes drive, and bookworm has been s

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 14:57, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 20:15:16 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 18:57, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 18:39 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: My point was entirely about suitability of /mnt/ for fstab entries. And my point is

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Christensen
On 1/15/24 14:56, gene heskett wrote: root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n' "$(realpath "$j")" "$j" ; done /dev/sr0    /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ATAPI_iHAS424_B_3524253_327133504865 /dev/sdi    /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146 /dev/sdj1   /dev/dis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Christensen
ul tools. I suggest you build whichever corresponds to your computer, and use it to help with trouble shooting, backups, etc.. David

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 14:55, David Wright wrote: On Mon 15 Jan 2024 at 08:39:37 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 20:19, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 19:48, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 14:48:49 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: I am confused

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 13:44, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 08:39 (UTC-0500): └─md2 9:20 3G 0 raid10 sdh 8:112 0 1.9T 0 disk └─sdh18:113 0 1.9T 0 part <<< the one I'm fooling with sdi 8:128 0 1.9T 0 disk └─sdi18:12

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Christensen
On 1/15/24 06:45, gene heskett wrote: On 1/15/24 02:45, David Christensen wrote: On 1/14/24 11:48, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: ... the 2dn seagate 2T drive failure was my amanda vtapes drive, and bookworm has been such a headache I not managed to restart it

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Wright
On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 20:15:16 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/14/24 18:57, Felix Miata wrote: > > gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 18:39 (UTC-0500): > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > > > My point was entirely about suitability of /mnt/ for fstab entries. > > > And my point is that for a one time

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread David Wright
On Mon 15 Jan 2024 at 08:39:37 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/14/24 20:19, gene heskett wrote: > > On 1/14/24 19:48, David Wright wrote: > > > On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 14:48:49 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: > > > > > > > > I am confused -- do you

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread Felix Miata
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 08:39 (UTC-0500): >└─md2 9:20 3G 0 raid10 > sdh 8:112 0 1.9T 0 disk > └─sdh18:113 0 1.9T 0 part <<< > sdi 8:128 0 1.9T 0 disk > └─sdi18:129 0 1.9T 0 part <<< > sdj 8:144 0 1.9T

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 02:45, David Christensen wrote: and rsync just locked me up for about the 8th time, requiring the reset button. And that was at a --bwlimit=5m. rebooted, running test=short on the SSD, looks fine restarted rsync -av --bwlimit=3m, but its hung on an .local~akonadi .glass file, two of

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/15/24 02:45, David Christensen wrote: On 1/14/24 11:48, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: Re-ordered for clarity -- David. And snipped by Gene as I updated [...] which aren't atm, the 2dn seagate 2T drive failure was my amanda vtapes drive, and bookworm has

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-15 Thread gene heskett
On 1/14/24 20:19, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 19:48, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 14:48:49 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: I am confused -- do you have 4 or 5 Gigastone 2 TB SSD? 5,  ordered in 2 separate orders.   > So that one cou

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread David Christensen
On 1/14/24 11:48, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: Re-ordered for clarity -- David. And snipped by Gene as I updated On 1/12/24 18:42, gene heskett wrote: I just found an mbox file in my home directory, containing about 90 days worth of undelivered msgs from sma

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 06:15:13PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: [...] > /home/coyotebak would be in the raid, but something in the system > /backupdisk/ as a mount point would not be in the raid. But I have mount > points scattered about this system, literaaly all over that just work, since > when

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 01:37:05PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > tomas composed on 2024-01-14 19:15 (UTC+0100): [Gene] > >> > I have not been able to use that last line as a target for rsync > > >> That's not unexpected. /mnt/ is intended for /temporary/ or /transient/ > >> mounting, > >> while

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread Felix Miata
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 20:03 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> I'm only suggesting you find a place other than /mnt/ for anything found in >> /etc/fstab, based upon the definition of /mnt/ in FHS. Conforming your >> machinery >> to FHS is not mandatory, just recommended, a good id

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread gene heskett
directories of every machine on the premises. I have a script in my private bin directory that mounts them all. I get tired of repeating my user pw while the script is running, but it just works. When I save a file, I use bash-completion to help write directory names etc, but I know where I'm

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread gene heskett
On 1/14/24 19:48, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 14:48:49 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: I am confused -- do you have 4 or 5 Gigastone 2 TB SSD? 5, ordered in 2 separate orders. > So that one could be formatted ext4 and serve as a bac

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread gene heskett
On 1/14/24 18:57, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 18:39 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: AFAIK, nothing I wrote would be expected to have any relationship to transfer rates. My point was entirely about suitability of /mnt/ for fstab entries. And my point is that for a o

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread David Wright
ctories of every machine on the premises. I have a script > in my private bin directory that mounts them all. I get tired of > repeating my user pw while the script is running, but it just works. When I save a file, I use bash-completion to help write directory names etc, but I know where

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread gene heskett
On 1/14/24 18:43, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 18:15 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: ... I have mount points scattered about this system, literaaly all over that just work, Fine! It's your stuff. since when is /mnt some special thing? Since 1994, 30 years ago ne

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread David Wright
On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 14:48:49 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: > > I am confused -- do you have 4 or 5 Gigastone 2 TB SSD? > > 5, ordered in 2 separate orders. > > > > > So that one could be formatted ext4 and serve as a backup of the raid10. > What I

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread Felix Miata
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 18:39 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> AFAIK, nothing I wrote would be expected to have any relationship to transfer >> rates. My point was entirely about suitability of /mnt/ for fstab entries. > And my point is that for a one time copy, its was handy. I d

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread Felix Miata
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 18:15 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: ... > I have mount > points scattered about this system, literaaly all over that just work, Fine! It's your stuff. > since when is /mnt some special thing? Since 1994, 30 years ago next month: ... http://www.ibiblio.

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread gene heskett
On 1/14/24 13:37, Felix Miata wrote: tomas composed on 2024-01-14 19:15 (UTC+0100): On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 12:33:39PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 12:04 (UTC-0500): # first put it where it is now & reboot #LABEL=homesde1 /mnt/homesde1 ext4 errors=remount-

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread gene heskett
On 1/14/24 12:34, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 12:04 (UTC-0500): # first put it where it is now & reboot #LABEL=homesde1 /mnt/homesde1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 2 ... I have not been able to use that last line as a target for rsync That's not unexpected. /mnt/ is in

Re: Fact finding / clarification [WAS Re: Re: smartctl cannot accessmy storage, need syntax help]

2024-01-14 Thread gene heskett
On 1/14/24 09:15, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 11:58:42AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: You now have a slow access to one/more of your RAID devices. Does he, though? I thought we had established some time late last year that his *symptom* (delayed startup of some application

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread gene heskett
On 1/14/24 07:42, David Christensen wrote: Re-ordered for clarity -- David. And snipped by Gene as I updated On 1/12/24 18:42, gene heskett wrote: I just found an mbox file in my home directory, containing about 90 days worth of undelivered msgs from smartctl running as root. Do you know h

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread Felix Miata
tomas composed on 2024-01-14 19:15 (UTC+0100): > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 12:33:39PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 12:04 (UTC-0500): >> > # first put it where it is now & reboot >> > #LABEL=homesde1 /mnt/homesde1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 2 >> ... >> > I have not

Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help

2024-01-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 12:33:39PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 12:04 (UTC-0500): > > > # first put it where it is now & reboot > > #LABEL=homesde1 /mnt/homesde1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 2 > ... > > I have not been able to use that last line as a target for rsync

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