Martin Read:
1. The init daemon should fork exactly once; in the child it should
> exec another program, while the parent (PID 1) does nothing except
> reap zombies.
> 2. As (1), except that if the initially-forked child process exits,
> PID 1 should repeat the fork and exec-in-child procedure.
Hi,
Jerry Stuckle writes:
> On 11/16/2014 10:29 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>>> So why, instead of spending all this time on a new init system didn't
>>> developers already familiar with sysvinit work on it? Systemd wasn't
>>> one person alone.
>>
>> Presumably nobody
Dne, 16. 11. 2014 21:06:09 je Tanstaafl napisal(a):
On 11/16/2014 6:40 AM, Klistvud wrote:
> As a further example, the former udev (prior to being merged into
> systemd) has already been forked and could/will serve us well for
> years to come. And so on.
Is eudev in the debian sources?
Or do y
On 11/16/2014 10:29 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>> The problem here is lack of time and/or skills. I would love to help,
>> but I already have my plate full. Additionally, I've done device
>> drivers and applications, but never dealt with init systems. There
>>
On 11/16/2014 6:40 AM, Klistvud wrote:
> As a further example, the former udev (prior to being merged into
> systemd) has already been forked and could/will serve us well for
> years to come. And so on.
Is eudev in the debian sources?
Or do you mean another fork?
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 06:08:48PM +, Martin Read wrote:
> On 16/11/14 17:33, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> >Are you aware that this is the approach that systemd and upstart have
> >taken, right?
> >
> >1) Both systemd (PID1) and upstart are drop-in replacement for the good
> >old SysVinit as the
Le 16/11/2014 19:22, Patrick Bartek a écrit :
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Klistvud wrote:
>
>> Dne, 21. 10. 2014 04:06:23 je Marty napisal(a):
>>> On 10/20/2014 03:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
systemd, I wonder... What is a better a
Le Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:08:48 +,
Martin Read a écrit :
> On 16/11/14 17:33, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> > Are you aware that this is the approach that systemd and upstart
> > have taken, right?
> >
> > 1) Both systemd (PID1) and upstart are drop-in replacement for the
> > good old SysVinit as
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Klistvud wrote:
> Dne, 21. 10. 2014 04:06:23 je Marty napisal(a):
> > On 10/20/2014 03:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
> >> systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't
> >> be sysvinit.
>
> W
On 11/16/2014 at 12:33 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> Le Sun, 16 Nov 2014 13:53:24 +, Nuno Magalhães
> a écrit :
>
>> On 2014-11-16 11:40, Klistvud wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Reviving the existing init systems. Modernizing them, making
>>> them into true, interchangeable drop-in replacements of eac
On 16/11/14 17:33, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
Are you aware that this is the approach that systemd and upstart have
taken, right?
1) Both systemd (PID1) and upstart are drop-in replacement for the good
old SysVinit as they both support the common "standard" that are LSB
scripts (A really good sha
Le Sun, 16 Nov 2014 13:53:24 +,
Nuno Magalhães a écrit :
> On 2014-11-16 11:40, Klistvud wrote:
> > 1. Reviving the existing init systems. Modernizing them, making them
> > into true, interchangeable drop-in replacements of each other,
> > which do the task assigned, and do it well. Each of t
On 16/11/14 11:40, Klistvud wrote:
1. Reviving the existing init systems. Modernizing them, making them
into true, interchangeable drop-in replacements of each other, which do
the task assigned, and do it well. Each of them accomplishing at least
the common subset of tasks an init system is suppo
Hi,
Jerry Stuckle writes:
> The problem here is lack of time and/or skills. I would love to help,
> but I already have my plate full. Additionally, I've done device
> drivers and applications, but never dealt with init systems. There
> would be a big learning curve. And then there is the poli
On 11/16/2014 6:40 AM, Klistvud wrote:
> Dne, 21. 10. 2014 04:06:23 je Marty napisal(a):
>> On 10/20/2014 03:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
>>> I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
>
> Why not?
Hi,
Nuno Magalhães writes:
> On 2014-11-16 11:40, Klistvud wrote:
>> 1. Reviving the existing init systems. Modernizing them, making them
>> into true, interchangeable drop-in replacements of each other, which do
>> the task assigned, and do it well. Each of them accomplishing at least
>> the com
On 2014-11-16 11:40, Klistvud wrote:
> 1. Reviving the existing init systems. Modernizing them, making them
> into true, interchangeable drop-in replacements of each other, which do
> the task assigned, and do it well. Each of them accomplishing at least
> the common subset of tasks an init system
Dne, 21. 10. 2014 04:06:23 je Marty napisal(a):
On 10/20/2014 03:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
Why not? I do not see sysvinit -- or any other legacy init s
On 11/13/2014 3:42 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 13 nov 14, 11:28:57, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
>> Yes, apparently because someone actively sabotaged any possibility of
>> OpenRC being considered by giving improper bad information on how to use
>> it...
>
> OpenRC was "represented" by its Maintain
On Jo, 13 nov 14, 11:28:57, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
> Yes, apparently because someone actively sabotaged any possibility of
> OpenRC being considered by giving improper bad information on how to use
> it...
OpenRC was "represented" by its Maintainer in the init debate (Thomas
Goirand). Are you saying
On 11/13/2014 10:53 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 08 November 2014 15:31:02 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
>> Andrei Popescu:
>>> Quote from above, with added emphasis:
>> >> Upstart was the only *real* contender to systemd *at the time* of
>> >> the evaluation for the Technical Committ
On Saturday 08 November 2014 15:31:02 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Andrei Popescu:
> > Upstart was the only realcontender to systemd at the time of the
> >
> > evaluation by the Technical Committee, but it has or is being
> > replaced by systemd everywhere.
>
> Tanstaafl:
> > And why was OP
Andrei Popescu:
Upstart was the only realcontender to systemd at the time of the
> evaluation by the Technical Committee, but it has or is being
> replaced by systemd everywhere.
Tanstaafl:
And why was OPenRC not acontender?
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
Your question takes a falsehood as its
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
Contrastingly, the people who were propounding OpenRC at the time
> provided a good example of how NOT to go about doing so. Their
> several mistakes are worth learning from.
Tanstaafl:
Not sure I understand what you are saying here...
>
> Are you saying that some
On Vi, 24 oct 14, 09:49:46, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Andrei Popescu:
> >Upstart was the only real contender to systemd at the time of the
> > evaluation by the Technical Committee, but it has or is being
> > replaced by systemd everywhere.
>
> Tanstaafl:
> >And why was OPenRC not a con
On 10/24/2014 4:49 AM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
wrote:
> Tanstaafl:
>> And why was OPenRC not a contender?
> Your question takes a falsehood as its premise. It actually was,
> contrary to what M. Popescu dismissively stated. Several members of the
> technical committee took it and tried to
On 10/23/2014 4:10 PM, koanhead wrote:
> I propose OpenRC, having recently tried it. So far I'm liking how it
> works, and it solves most of the problems I had with sysvinit. It's not
> a replacement for PID1, and is supposed to be compatible with arbitrary
> PID1 programs (sysvinit, sytemd, runit
Andrei Popescu:
Upstart was the only real contender to systemd at the time of the
> evaluation by the Technical Committee, but it has or is being
> replaced by systemd everywhere.
Tanstaafl:
And why was OPenRC not a contender?
Your question takes a falsehood as its premise. It actually wa
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, koanhead wrote:
> On 10/20/2014 04:00 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
> > systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't
> > be sysvinit.
> >
> > Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is after all 20 ye
On 10/20/2014 04:00 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
> I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
>
> Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is after all 20 years old. It's been
> patched and bolted onto and jur
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 05:27:45AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ok, let's start with:
> - it's the rare desktop that has a fiber channel interface
snip
It's a rare server, too.
Nearly all of our physical servers are VM hosts, onto which we fit around 100
VMs. Physical servers are at best <5% of
On 22/10/14 21:23, Rusi Mody wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:20:05 PM UTC+5:30, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>>> On 21/10/14 15:10, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
> Are you guys just having fun talking past each other?
I can only speak for myself -
On 22/10/14 20:51, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 05:27:45AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
>> - when's the last time you saw a desktop or laptop with an IPMI BMC
>> (or for that matter, had a BMC infected by a virus - not pretty)
>> (note: if you don't kn
On 22/10/14 20:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 21/10/14 15:10, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Scott Ferguson wrote:
Good question Patrick - top posted as I'm referring to the Subject.
On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> After much vitriolic gnashing of t
On 22/10/14 19:05, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 13:04:26 +1100
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
>
>>
>> P.S. I have been told that one major distro does (or is attempting to
>> do) just that - separate into a 'server' and a 'desktop' distribution.
>>
>>
>
> What, like Windows?
No.
A Linux distro
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Jimmy, I wrote to you off list, and you put my personal reply on the list.
Please don�t do that. I mean personal replies as personal replies.
I think I am not interested into digging into this topic further anyway.
No problem and sorry as I did not realize you wher
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 12:34:16 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 11:37:51 schrieben Sie:
> >>> Its Jessie/Sid that are under some circumstances difficult to use
> >>> without
> >>> systemd. As to my current knowledge one of the circumstan
On 10/22/2014 12:17 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014, 19:49:43 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop?
Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why?
Just wondering.
See above and unl
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 11:37:51 schrieben Sie:
Its Jessie/Sid that are under some circumstances difficult to use without
systemd. As to my current knowledge one of the circumstances is an
installed GNOME desktop.
I install using the Debian-Live-KDE-iso(another
On Mi, 22 oct 14, 08:44:02, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/21/2014 4:21 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Upstart was the only real contender to systemd at the time of the
> > evaluation by the Technical Committee, but it has or is being replaced
> > by systemd everywhere.
>
> And why was OPenRC not a co
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Hi Jimmy,
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 09:17:16 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014, 19:49:43 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop?
Or something that fulfills both sc
Hi Jimmy,
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 09:17:16 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014, 19:49:43 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
> >>> So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop?
> >>> Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And w
Patrick Bartek wrote:
After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is after all 20 years old. It's been
patched and bolted onto and jury-rigged to get it to do things
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014, 19:49:43 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop?
Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why?
Just wondering.
See above and unless you are a tester or developer you may want
Peter Nieman wrote:
On 21/10/14 21:08, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:49 +0200
Raffaele Morelli wrote:
Using systemd since 2014-08-09 with no issues.
Good for you. Let's see if you have no issues 2016-08-09, if Red Hat
wins its war against Linux.
Not qui
On 10/21/2014 4:21 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> Upstart was the only real contender to systemd at the time of the
> evaluation by the Technical Committee, but it has or is being replaced
> by systemd everywhere.
And why was OPenRC not a contender?
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On 21/10/14 21:08, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:49 +0200
Raffaele Morelli wrote:
Using systemd since 2014-08-09 with no issues.
Good for you. Let's see if you have no issues 2016-08-09, if Red Hat
wins its war against Linux.
Not quite sure I'd go that f
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:20:05 PM UTC+5:30, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > On 21/10/14 15:10, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >> Scott Ferguson wrote:
> >>> Good question Patrick - top posted as I'm referring to the Subject.
> >>> On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> A
Hi.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 05:27:45AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
> - when's the last time you saw a desktop or laptop with an IPMI BMC
> (or for that matter, had a BMC infected by a virus - not pretty)
> (note: if you don't know what BMC stands for, then go away and le
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 21/10/14 15:10, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Scott Ferguson wrote:
Good question Patrick - top posted as I'm referring to the Subject.
On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
I wonder... What is a better
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 13:04:26 +1100
Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
> P.S. I have been told that one major distro does (or is attempting to
> do) just that - separate into a 'server' and a 'desktop' distribution.
>
>
What, like Windows? I think that really is the point that is being
made, that Window
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:41:21 -0700
Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
> > > systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative?
On 21/10/14 15:10, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> Good question Patrick - top posted as I'm referring to the Subject.
>>
>> On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
>>> I wonder... What is a better alternat
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
> > systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative?
>
> * Nosh
> * Runit
> * Upstart
> * S6
> * Probably more I don't know
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user
> > desktop? Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why?
>
>
> One of the difficulties is that there is no clear distin
Rob Owens:
I'm not sure what is meant by "nobody has taken ownership of the
> 'request for package' bug". If that's something that needs to be
> done, tell me what is required and I'll see if I can do it.
It is Debian bug #763499, for reference.
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On Ma, 21 oct 14, 15:38:46, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ludovic Meyer wrote:
>
> >For example, spotify decided to switch to Ubuntu rather than keeping Debian,
> >and
> >if you look around, they are not the only ones.
>
> And you're attributing that to Debian dragging its feet on systemd?
>
> As I r
Ludovic Meyer wrote:
For example, spotify decided to switch to Ubuntu rather than keeping Debian, and
if you look around, they are not the only ones.
And you're attributing that to Debian dragging its feet on systemd?
As I recall, the explicit reason Ubuntu finally decided to adopt systemd
w
Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:49 +0200
Raffaele Morelli wrote:
Here are some interesting things one should be aware of before
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
We've all read that. My favorite Poettering manifesto is the one where
he talks of systemd subsum
- Original Message -
> From: "Jonathan Dowland"
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:00:21AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > I'm not sure what is meant by "nobody has taken ownership of the 'request
> > for
> > package' bug". If that's something that needs to be done, tell me what is
> > required
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:02:38AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote:
> There are other choices to
> - do nothing as weve done for 20 years
> - do it now
>
> In particular, one can take a holistic view: not just Stable -> Jessie,
> but rather Stable -> Jessie -> Jessie+1
>
> and work out the least disrupt
Steve Litt writes:
> Let's say that, in six months from now, Debian's uselessd package is
> ready for prime time. Would there be any reason some enterprising
> person couldn't simply copy it to another repository (hopefully a
> trusted one), so that people could add that repository and thus
> insta
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 02:46:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:12:17 +0200
> Ludovic Meyer wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 09:34:48PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> > > Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > >
> > > > After much vitriolic gnash
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:49 +0200
Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> Here are some interesting things one should be aware of before
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
We've all read that. My favorite Poettering manifesto is the one where
he talks of systemd subsuming packaging sy
You guys can count on me to help testing uselessd in Debian/Ubuntu! I would
like to participate.
On 21 October 2014 16:02, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:11:32 +0100
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Please do not top-post.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:27:34AM -0200,
On Tue, 10/21/14, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: If Not Systemd, then What?
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2014, 1:02 PM
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:11:32 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:27:34AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
>
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:11:32 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please do not top-post.
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:27:34AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> > If uselessd provides ONLY a new init, based on CGroups and lots of
> > cool ideas from systemd itself, then, it worth trying it!
On 10/21/2014 01:03 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014, 19:49:43 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop?
Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why?
Just wondering.
See above and unless you are a tester or d
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:00:21AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> I'm not sure what is meant by "nobody has taken ownership of the 'request for
> package' bug". If that's something that needs to be done, tell me what is
> required and I'll see if I can do it.
There is a bug, it's currently a "request
On 2014-10-20, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
Oh shit.
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- Original Message -
> From: "Jonathan Dowland"
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:27:34AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> > If uselessd provides ONLY a new init, based on CGroups and lots of
> > cool ideas from systemd itself, then, it worth trying it! Just for
> > fun...
>
> I think it's an i
Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:12:17 +0200
Ludovic Meyer wrote:
* Upstart
no longer developped, and suffer from several bugs, go read the
tech-ctte debate.
I read it, and if Upstart problems were the most distressing thing in
that debate, I'd be a happy man. If Upstart is no long
On 10/20/2014 10:36 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ
wrote:
> 1- Fork udev (out from systemd's tree or before it got merged / engulfed);
Maybe Gentoo's eudev would be a good place to start with that.
I also don't see why OpenRC isn't on the list of obvious choices. It is
the default in Gentoo and has been fo
On 10/20/2014 3:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
> I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
>
> Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is after all 20 years old. It's been
> patched and bolted onto and jur
On 21/10/14 at 09:41am, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:18:49AM +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> > Here are some interesting things one should be aware of before
> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
> >
> > Read enough about but still haven't read someth
Hi Raffaele,
Am Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2014, 10:18:49 schrieb Raffaele Morelli:
> Here are some interesting things one should be aware of before
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
>
> Read enough about but still haven't read something really valuable against
> systemd from e
On Ma, 21 oct 14, 00:10:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> Um, yes, there is. Typically different hardware (headless for starters),
> storage area networks, clusters, high availability, as well as different
> role, and so forth.
I have a Raspberry Pi serving my domain (DNS + WWW). As far as I'm
conc
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:18:49AM +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> Here are some interesting things one should be aware of before
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
>
> Read enough about but still haven't read something really valuable against
> systemd from eg. Torvalds, E
Here are some interesting things one should be aware of before
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
Read enough about but still haven't read something really valuable against
systemd from eg. Torvalds, Eric Steven Raymond, etc... (if you do, post the
link)
I believe the main
Hi,
Please do not top-post.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:27:34AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> If uselessd provides ONLY a new init, based on CGroups and lots of
> cool ideas from systemd itself, then, it worth trying it! Just for
> fun...
I think it's an interesting project and I might contrib
Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014, 19:49:43 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
> > So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop?
> > Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why?
> >
> > Just wondering.
>
> See above and unless you are a tester or developer you may want to
> roll-b
That's true... Can't wait to try it!
If uselessd provides ONLY a new init, based on CGroups and lots of
cool ideas from systemd itself, then, it worth trying it! Just for
fun...
Systemd will be still around, acting only as udev, I know... But,
then, it will be more easy to live without it.
If th
On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:00:01 PM UTC+5:30, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 09:34:48PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
> > > I wonder... What
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:36:52AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> 2- Start testing uselessd;
You missed 'package uselessd' for Debian - not yet done.
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:12:17 +0200
Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 09:34:48PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
> > > systemd, I wonder... What is a bet
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 09:34:48PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
> > I wonder... What is a better alternative?
>
> * Nosh
So this one is fun, it is just a direc
Scott Ferguson wrote:
Good question Patrick - top posted as I'm referring to the Subject.
On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
Yes. Syvinit still wor
On 10/20/2014 12:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
sysvinit will do just fine until other init-systems can be developed and
installed from the repos.
Yes.
1- Fork udev (out from systemd's tree or before it got merged / engulfed);
2- Start testing uselessd;
3- Remove systemd from Debian sources, since it is uselessd now lol ;
I vote for upstart too (instead of uselessd), since I'm using without any
problems (and it is not trying to take over the wor
On 10/20/2014 03:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
One that doesn't divide the FOSS world. We have enough challenges
without that.
Yes. Syvinit still works
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
> I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
>
> Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is after all 20 years old. It's been
> patched and bolted on
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
Patrick Bartek wrote:
> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
> I wonder... What is a better alternative?
* Nosh
* Runit
* Upstart
* S6
* Probably more I don't know about.
> And it can't be sysvinit.
>
> Yes. Syvinit still
Good question Patrick - top posted as I'm referring to the Subject.
On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
> I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
>
> Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is aft
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