Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Brian White
> > Why change the version numbering scheme? It is a small change, it makes > > sense for marketing reasons, it is easy to do, and there was no reason not > > to do it. We're not holding up releases because of it. > > I suppose all 67 megs in bo-updates is being held there for some other > reason?

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Brian White
> >> >my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the > >> >project with donations. I have just bought 2 "Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's" > >> >from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the > >> >Debian project. > >> > >> And since I am in such a pi

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Rick Hawkins
john wrote, > This is the part that baffles me. Do you really believe that users who > won't buy 1.3.1 because 1.3.2 is out will buy 1.3 revision 1 after 1.3 > revision 2 comes out? actually, yes. I know the schemes are identical, but I think that "revision" off to the side doesn't sound as m

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 13:41:07 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > If you do not think that the discussion came to a conclusion > (BTW, Bruce did shift from his original proposal), then the proper > forum is debian-devel. I did not see your s=comments there. Nobody is > squashing dissent. All we are

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:32:30 +0800, Dima wrote: >OK Dave, here's a fresh one for you: remember LiGNUx? Here's what >made him do that: > >> Note that FSF is the same kind of corporation, a non-profit with a 501(c)3. And? -

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:12:48 CDT, Rick Hawkins wrote: > >Dave Cinege wrote, > >> Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US is now >> asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, while it is in the >> US. > >this is not true, in any sense of the word. The dif

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Michael Hill
On Aug 21, 10:04pm, David Puryear wrote: > Since this is going around in a "circle," please lets all drop it. > Has anyone else noticed a lot of noise on this list lately from people with technical questions? Would it be too much to ask for them to move to their own list? -- Michael Hill Toront

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Britton
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote > > Rev each change and I'm happy enough to be quite. This is the only reason I > > started yelling, I still feel it is a good one. > > Yes, well, I'm suggesting you should shut up regardless. Everyone could stop beati

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"john" == john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: john> I understand that. I understand what they are and what they do. john> What I do not understand is why you think that a newbie who just john> installed 1.3 and has gone to the ftp site to upgrade it will be john> able to make any sense out of

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread john
Bruce writes: > Hamm and Bo are code-names. I understand that. I understand what they are and what they do. What I do not understand is why you think that a newbie who just installed 1.3 and has gone to the ftp site to upgrade it will be able to make any sense out of names like bo-updates. IMHO

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Clint" == Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> A while ago we held a vote on the leadership of the project. The >> developers strongly rejected the idea of a "Roman Senate" where all >> decisions would be voted upon. They prefered to have an elected >> executive and ratified me to Cl

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dima
OK Dave, here's a fresh one for you: remember LiGNUx? Here's what made him do that: > Note that FSF is the same kind of corporation, a non-profit with a 501(c)3. :) -- Dimitri emaziuk at curtin dot edu dot au Please CC to me when replying to Usenet or a list -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAIL

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Rick Hawkins
Dave Cinege wrote, > Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US is now > asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, while it is in the US. this is not true, in any sense of the word. The difference between debian unincorporated or incorporated makes absol

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Clint Adams
> A while ago we held a vote on the leadership of the project. The developers > strongly rejected the idea of a "Roman Senate" where all decisions would be > voted upon. They prefered to have an elected executive and ratified me to As did I. However, I think it's slightly stretching the point to

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Paul Serice
> >The presence of developers and servers in Germany does not limit the > >ability of the American legal system to reach the developers in the > >U.S. So, yes, despite developers in Germany, the government is, and > >always has been, involved. Think of the loop-hole if all you had to > >do was se

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> keep their stock up to date. >> AFAIK, people do _work_ on this _product_ in their free time. I >> don't feel to have any moral right to tell them, how they should >> spend it. Dave> When they are acting as the official Debian entity you

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Ben Gertzfield
> "Joost" == Joost Kooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joost> The point I am trying to make is mostly to tell some nice Joost> folklore. But hey, don't you folks see the analogy * porn Joost> <--> ms apps * ? This is the funniest thing I've ever heard. -- Brought to you by the

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Joost Kooij
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Dave> If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings > Dave> CD-Rom, they could get back to simply working towards the > Dave> orginazation of a quality product. Thats their purpose as far > Dave> as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers can k

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Brandon Mitchell
First let me say Bruce, you've done a great job in the past, and I realize it's been no easy task. You've taken a lot of uncalled for flack recently, mostly due to misconceptions and pointless debates. When the time comes, I hope you decide to continue as the project leader. On Fri, 22 Aug 19

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Joost Kooij
Bruce Perens wrote: > > You could try lobbying Guy Maor (gently, please). But there has to be a > date beyond even updates for an old release get purged. We want the mirror > space for more current stuff, and with $4 CDs nobody has much of an excuse > for missing upgrades any more. What are the

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:12:59 -0400 (EDT), Dale Scheetz wrote: > > >On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > > > >> It's not about .1 R1, or Asub1, to the 2nd power of 4. > >> It's about something that is frozen, actully staying frozen. > >> If the disc

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On 21 Aug 1997 23:28:31 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >George Bonser writes: >> I think the idea is, you buy the 1.3 CDROM and pick up the revisions from >> the net. >> ... >> In this way, if a distribution goes defunct and is replaced, only the >> X.x-updates directory needs to be left around f

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread john
George Bonser writes: > I think the idea is, you buy the 1.3 CDROM and pick up the revisions from > the net. > ... > In this way, if a distribution goes defunct and is replaced, only the > X.x-updates directory needs to be left around for people that might want > to update a disk that is a couple o

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Bruce Perens
George B.: > I suppose that my point was that after a distribution "expires" from the > ftp site, if the updates directory could remain, a person with an older > cdrom could still possibly update to a newer version. If they have an X.x > cdrom, they select X.x-updates then upgrade to the current s

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:52:43 +0200, Ciccio wrote: >> If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, >> they >> could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality >> product. >> Thats their purpose as far as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD ma

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Ciccio
> The new version naming scheme and control is based on politics and not > technical reasons. Until now, I didn't notice any decrease in functionality. > If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, they > could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Lindsay Allen
Bruce, On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clint Adams) > > Did I miss the developer vote on the version numbering scheme change? > > A while ago we held a vote on the leadership of the project. The developers > strongly rejected the idea of a "Roman Senate" wher

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Bruce Perens
From: George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > maybe debian should just > put the updates in a directory called 1.3-updates and not use symlinks to > point updates packages to the updates from the base 1.3 tree. Guy Maor, the person who does the work of maintaining the archive, rejected the above schem

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Bruce Perens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > And choosing a simple, consistent, and comprehensible release naming scheme > is such an issue. Hambone, bopeep, 1.3.1, and now revision 2... all > very confusing. > I've been trying to convince the people in the seul project to use Debian: > they think Debian is flaky.

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Paul Wade wrote: [snip] > Then they should have been reversed. If they were done in error, where was > the warning message to prevent people from using the 'bad' Debian? Once again, our regular archive maintainer, who is not paid for his time, is on vacation. You sure want t

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Bruce Perens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clint Adams) > Did I miss the developer vote on the version numbering scheme change? A while ago we held a vote on the leadership of the project. The developers strongly rejected the idea of a "Roman Senate" where all decisions would be voted upon. They prefered to have an

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Paul Wade
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Paul Wade wrote: > > > Good point, John. It seems that the sugar-coated explanation still doesn't > > taste very good. Hey, users who are listening - Debian 1.3.3 is out but > > it's still called 1.3.1 so nobody who buys those

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Paul Wade wrote: > Good point, John. It seems that the sugar-coated explanation still doesn't > taste very good. Hey, users who are listening - Debian 1.3.3 is out but > it's still called 1.3.1 so nobody who buys those CD sets will feel > inferior? We need someone with a Ph.D.

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:30:52 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: >> >The government has always been involved. In general though, it is >> >> With the developers and servers in Germany? nl? > >The presence of developers and servers in Germany does not limit the >ability of the American legal system to reach

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Paul Wade
On 21 Aug 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dale Scheetz writes: > > Each revision will be properly noted. > > > We aren't doing this for the benefit of CD makers. This is for the > > benefit of the end user (remember them?) who needs to be able to go to a > > local retailer and purchase the Debian

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On 21 Aug 1997 16:08:05 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > There are no fewer release. All releases are numbered (with > revisions, not point versions). Technically, the two schemes are the > same. Mr Cinege has escalated a percived, non-technical difference > into a jihad. No I'm talking ab

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:12:59 -0400 (EDT), Dale Scheetz wrote: >On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > >> It's not about .1 R1, or Asub1, to the 2nd power of 4. >> It's about something that is frozen, actully staying frozen. >> If the disc says 1.3.1, I should be able crccheck the whole damn th

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread David Puryear
Since this is going around in a "circle," please lets all drop it. Thanks, David On 21-Aug-97 "Dave Cinege" wrote: ---cut--- Oh boy...is this going in a circle... ---cut--- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread john
Dale Scheetz writes: > Each revision will be properly noted. > We aren't doing this for the benefit of CD makers. This is for the > benefit of the end user (remember them?) who needs to be able to go to a > local retailer and purchase the Debian distribution. If the CD > manufacturer is forced to

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Clint Adams
> And the people who contribute to it should decide the > direction in which it goes. Did I miss the developer vote on the version numbering scheme change? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hi, just my two cents... Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : For those who care, the old scheme was to have revisions : called 2.0.1 etc, the new scheme calles them revisions. : old new : === === : 2.0.02.0 : 2.0.1

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Michael Hill
Just wanted to say that I'm glad to be able to contribute the $5, delighted to have access to the developers, generally pleased with the spelling on the list, and although I may not agree with it, I'll defend Dave's right to be bounced. I'd like to direct my user-vote in favour of good behaviour s

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Rick Hawkins
> > They could have not followed anything past the guy that caused it. > > Now they can. > With all due respect, I think you have it backwards. Now, the > corporation protects not just those beyond the guy that caused the > problem. It even protects that particular guy. you are correct. Howev

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Paul Wade
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > From: Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I suppose all 67 megs in bo-updates is being held there for some other > > reason? > > I had a phone conversation with Guy Maor. He says he'll make the release > next week. He says he has no problem with the versio

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I think while the current 1.3.1 was being created, there was an error, making 1.3.1 replace (instead of add a few packages to) 1.3. That, though regrettable, shall not be repeated. As to bug fixed in bo-updates, they have not yet been released, they are in the test phase, a

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I suppose all 67 megs in bo-updates is being held there for some other > reason? I had a phone conversation with Guy Maor. He says he'll make the release next week. He says he has no problem with the version numbering scheme. He was not waiting for me. He says

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hi guys, I agree with donations and the incorporation. I've seen some messages in this thread that attributes to me some sentences I did not say, like this one: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : Dave> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote:

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Paul Wade
It sounds so good, but where is the clear admission that the 1.3.1 on ftp is not the same as the CD? It should be at least 1.3.1 r2 by now. The consumer should be able to quickly visit ftp.debian.org before he hands money to a retailer for a product. Expecting a software buyer not to do that is ta

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Paul Serice
> >The government has always been involved. In general though, it is > > With the developers and servers in Germany? nl? The presence of developers and servers in Germany does not limit the ability of the American legal system to reach the developers in the U.S. So, yes, despite developers in Ge

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Paul Wade
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > Why change the version numbering scheme? It is a small change, it makes > sense for marketing reasons, it is easy to do, and there was no reason not > to do it. We're not holding up releases because of it. I suppose all 67 megs in bo-updates is being hel

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, This is a silly argument. And the person conducting the other end has managed to annoy a number of people who actually contribute to the project, and hasd decended to profanity, so this is my last word on the matter. For those who care, the old scheme was to have revisions

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Bruce Perens
> (anyone else thinking of Natasha and Boris?). I was thinking of Ren and Stimpy, or maybe Itchy and Scratchy :-) Lots of people were calling for us to "get real" rather than just be a "toy distribution". A few people resent the baggage that comes with that. The solipsist craves a world with no l

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Bruce Perens
Gee, calm down a bit please, Dave. Where has the money gone? So far, it's mostly been into the bootstrap expenses of a non-profit. This was something like $400 for incorporation, and $2000 for the IRS 501(c)3. Once the 501(c)3 is completed, U.S. citizens who donate to Debian can write off their do

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread mdorman
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote > Rev each change and I'm happy enough to be quite. This is the only reason I > started yelling, I still feel it is a good one. Yes, well, I'm suggesting you should shut up regardless. Mike. -- Don't touch that! It's the History Eraser Button -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FR

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > It's not about .1 R1, or Asub1, to the 2nd power of 4. > It's about something that is frozen, actully staying frozen. > If the disc says 1.3.1, I should be able crccheck the whole damn thing > against the > master 1.3.1 dist, and have it come up clean.

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:52:36 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: >> The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still >> beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The >> project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the >> world. Why the US government sudden

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:44:11 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote >>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote I don't see the need. >>>Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes >>>you disagr

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:05:09 +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: >> >On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can >> >contribute money. >> >> To who? Am I a part of Debian.org? Do I have a vote.even if I maintain >> 50 >> packages?? > >Do you maintain even one? N

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On 21 Aug 1997 13:23:32 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >Hi, >>>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Dave> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > > >Dave> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive >Dave> cash donations. What expenses does it

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Paul Serice
> The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still > beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The > project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the > world. Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have > no idea. Why does Debian ne

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
The discussion is funny but inappropriate, but I think this is just what Dave wanted. However: On Aug 21, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > You are perfectly free to start your own distribution of > Linux, you and all other ``anarchists

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread mdorman
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote >On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote >>>I don't see the need. >>Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes >>you disagree with. These decisions have been made. The time for >>discussion

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: > > >Dave Cinege wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > >> > > >On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can > >contribute money. > > To wh

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:20:36 -0400 (EDT), Will Lowe wrote: >On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > >> If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, >> they >> could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality >> product. >> Thats their purpose

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dave> The new version naming scheme and control is based on politics Dave> and not technical reasons. But it is not technically inferior to the previous naming convention in any way. Dave> If the orginization were not invloded in

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. > Your own comment insults your intellegence (what little I have seen) far more than Behan. Try a comment with more thought involved, Dwarf P.S. I've never understood why that particular phrase

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dave> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: Dave> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive Dave> cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your Dave> books public Bruce? Pers

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:11:16 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: >Okay, I'm not sure where we disagree then. You admit that "In most cases it >won't even be feasible", but this also means that in some cases, it would >be feasible. Could be...could. >Why not give that option to people? Just wondering.

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote >> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >> >One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be >> >tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status >

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Marc W. Brooks
At 02:56 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: >On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:19:55 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: >>What about people who would like to donate with the tax write off? Why >>should that avenue be blocked because it won't help everyone involved? As >>long as it does not actually hinder people,

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > > >In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: > >> >Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion s

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:19:55 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: >At 02:00 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: >>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >> >>> >>>One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be >>>tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to ge

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: >> >> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: >> >Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply >> >because you can't have things your way. Venting t

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Rick Hawkins
> >One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be > >tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status > >with the US IRS first. > Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. and of what harm? if there's enough interest from ou

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: > >Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply > >because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by > >trying to imply that donated money is somehow bein

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: >Dave Cinege wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: >> >> >my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the >> >project with donations. I have just bought 2 "Official Debian 1.3.1 CD'

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Will Lowe
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, they > could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality > product. > Thats their purpose as far as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers > can > kee

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread mdorman
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > >One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be > >tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status > >with the US IRS first. > Why? Of what intestest is that to the p

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Marc W. Brooks
At 02:00 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: >On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > >> >>One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be >>tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status > >Why? Of what intestest is that to the people

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > >One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be >tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status >with the US IRS first. Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. H

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:57:33 +0200, Ciccio wrote: >> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses > >What's going wrong now? > >I'm using debian quite heavily, and nobod

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Ciccio
> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > > >> > >> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash > >> donations. What expenses What's going wrong now? > does > >> it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? > > > >Check the donations page. It

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Behan Webster
Dave Cinege wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > > >my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the > >project with donations. I have just bought 2 "Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's" > >from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > > >> > >> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash > >> donations. What expenses > does > >> it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? > > > >Check t

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >> >> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash >> donations. What expenses does >> it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? > >Check the donations page. It will show what has been collected. The only

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > > >my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the > >project with donations. I have just bought 2 "Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's" > >from LSL and I chose the product

Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: >my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the >project with donations. I have just bought 2 "Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's" >from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the >Debian project.