Re: Question to all candidates: registering Debian as an organization

2022-03-21 Thread Gard Spreemann
Bill Allombert writes: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 09:41:49AM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: >> Currently, the Project has no legal standing of its >> own, meaning that within any legal context, there is no Project. > > Indeed, it is a great feature of Debian that it is not bound to any >

Re: Question to all candidates: registering Debian as an organization

2022-03-21 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 09:41:49AM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: > Currently, the Project has no legal standing of its > own, meaning that within any legal context, there is no Project. Indeed, it is a great feature of Debian that it is not bound to any particular juridiction, it only exists

Re: Question to all candidates: registering Debian as an organization

2022-03-21 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2022-03-21 09:41, Christian Kastner wrote: > Currently, the Project has no legal standing of its > own, meaning that within any legal context, there is no Project. You > can't donate to Debian, you donate to some other organization (SPI). The > DPL can represent the Project only formally, as

Re: Question to all candidates: registering Debian as an organization

2022-03-21 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2022-03-20 13:10, Felix Lechner wrote: > I'm sorry no one has gotten back to you so far. I do not know which > ideas Jonathan Carter and Brian Gupta (copied as a courtesy) have been > pursuing. > > My own thinking on this point is also evolving, as detailed below. I > copied Christan Kastner

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Gunnar Wolf wrote on 20/03/2022 at 17:44:44+0100: > Felix Lechner dijo [Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 06:49:50AM -0700]: >> Hi Gunnar, >> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:47 PM Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> > >> > This year I think I will break my usual >> > practice, and vote a certain DPL candidate below NotA

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-20 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Jonathan, On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 11:09 AM Jonathan Carter wrote: > > How would you gauge that, Felix? It's impractical to have a vote every > time a decision is to be made, which is why voters want to know how a > potential DPL would make choices so that they can make an informed > choice on

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-20 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Richard, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 7:53 PM Richard Laager wrote: > > This is a complex topic, but in broad strokes, the concept of having > more people involved seems reasonable to me. But I fear that the idea > and the reality may be different. How do you plan to find all the people > to sit

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Felix Lechner dijo [Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 06:49:50AM -0700]: > Hi Gunnar, > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:47 PM Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > > This year I think I will break my usual > > practice, and vote a certain DPL candidate below NotA :-\ > > With that statement, you potentially committed two >

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-20 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Tiago, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 7:56 PM Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: > > I have to say I feel really troubled by reading this. It's hard to believe > that > a candidate for DPL addresses a legitimate and quite sensitive question with > such a rhetorical passive-aggressive borderline-bullying

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-20 Thread Taowa
Felix Lechner, 2022-03-20 09:50 -0400: > Hi Gunnar, > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:47 PM Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > > This year I think I will break my usual > > practice, and vote a certain DPL candidate below NotA :-\ +1 > With that statement, you potentially committed two >

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-20 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
> That is a big gray area, but restrictions exist in > the US [3] The Hatch Act only applies to Employees of the United States Federal Government from engaging in political activity using their official position (in the case of a regular, and not restricted federal employee). You can't engage in

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-20 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Gunnar, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:47 PM Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > This year I think I will break my usual > practice, and vote a certain DPL candidate below NotA :-\ With that statement, you potentially committed two infractions—depending on where you live. First, revealing a vote is widely

Re: Question to all candidates: how is Debian doing?

2022-03-20 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 17/03/22 at 16:54 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > As someone who used to care a lot about Debian, but who hasn't been able > to pay much attention to the project lately, I was wondering: On 17/03/22 at 13:57 -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:52 PM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >

Re: Question to all candidates: registering Debian as an organization

2022-03-20 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Bill, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 1:50 PM Bill Allombert wrote: > > Could someone explain what does that mean ? I'm sorry no one has gotten back to you so far. I do not know which ideas Jonathan Carter and Brian Gupta (copied as a courtesy) have been pursuing. My own thinking on this point is

Re: Question to all candidates: how is Debian doing?

2022-03-20 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 16:54:54 +0100 Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > How is Debian doing currently? Working steadily as well as before, and providing better quality in testing/unstable than ever (stable is also better of course). As usual, more packages in each releases. > What are the recent

Re: Question to all candidates: Code of Conduct and Community Team - how do you feel about them?

2022-03-20 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:34:03 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > We've had the Code of Conduct for about eight years now and the Community Team > for about as long. There are still significant differences about how some > people feel about them, despite the Code of Conduct having been adopted

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-20 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 08:19:28 -0400 Molly dB wrote: > I don't think it's exactly a term limit problem. In November, there was > an email to debian-private about a small team handling some legal work > (also mentioned in Jonathan's email). I want to know about how a new > DPL would take over

Question to all candidates: Code of Conduct and Community Team - how do you feel about them?

2022-03-19 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
All, We've had the Code of Conduct for about eight years now and the Community Team for about as long. There are still significant differences about how some people feel about them, despite the Code of Conduct having been adopted by the Project as a whole. How do _you_ feel about the Code of

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-19 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2022/03/18 20:08, Felix Lechner wrote: Which would you be prepared to provide as DPL? > Whichever the members perceive as proper. How would you gauge that, Felix? It's impractical to have a vote every time a decision is to be made, which is why voters want to know how a potential DPL

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Tiago Bortoletto Vaz dijo [Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:56:15PM -0400]: > > > If a Debian contributor > > > was being harassed due to their involvement with the project, what > > > responsibilities do you think the project would have to them? > > > > Did the project provide assistance to you, and do

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Molly dB
> My response was directed at the questions Molly had posed, namely > whether (1) contributors should be defended against third-party > copyright claims or (2) whether contributors should be offered > financial assistance when pursuing harassment claims in court. As far as I'm aware, I didn't

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 05:23:42PM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi Molly, > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 5:42 AM Molly dB wrote: > > > > If a Debian contributor > > was being harassed due to their involvement with the project, what > > responsibilities do you think the project would have to them?

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Richard Laager
On 3/18/22 10:23, Felix Lechner wrote: I hope instead to devolve the concentration of power from my office into an open and transparent system of boards and commissions This is a complex topic, but in broad strokes, the concept of having more people involved seems reasonable to me. But I fear

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Molly, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 5:42 AM Molly dB wrote: > > If a Debian contributor > was being harassed due to their involvement with the project, what > responsibilities do you think the project would have to them? Did the project provide assistance to you, and do you worry that the

Re: Question to all candidates: registering Debian as an organization

2022-03-18 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 05:30:30PM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: > Jonathan has already addressed this in his platform, acknowledging Brian > Gupta's 2020 campaign focus on this, so this is mostly a question for > Hideki and Felix: > > What is your position on registering Debian as an

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Steve, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:12 AM Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Which do *you* perceive as proper? > > Come on, please stop evading the question. Thank you for your persistence, but I already answered that question. [1] Kind regards, Felix Lechner [1]

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:08:33AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: >Hi Steve, > >On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:48 AM Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> Which would you be prepared to provide as DPL? > >Whichever the members perceive as proper. Which do *you* perceive as proper? Come on, please stop evading

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Steve, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:48 AM Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Which would you be prepared to provide as DPL? Whichever the members perceive as proper. Kind regards, Felix Lechner

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Ross, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:42 AM Ross Vandegrift wrote: > > As DPL, you may confront issues which are not wise to handle > transparently. This could be due to negative social consequnces, legal > advice, etc. You answer makes me concerned that you intend to either: > - refuse to work

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:43:49AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: >Hi Steve, > >On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:19 AM Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> Hmmm.. Do you not feel that project should stand with and support >> contributors facing harassment because of their work in Debian? > >Are you asking for

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Steve, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:19 AM Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Hmmm.. Do you not feel that project should stand with and support > contributors facing harassment because of their work in Debian? Are you asking for empathy or for financial assistance? Kind regards, Felix Lechner

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 08:23:12AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 5:42 AM Molly dB wrote: > > > > I'd like to hear about where you draw the line between individual > > issues and community wide issues. To use an example of copyright > > claims: Would it be Debian's

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi Felix, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 08:23:12AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > >The harassment case is easily distinguished in that (1) the victim >seeks to initiate legal action instead of needing help with a defense, >and (2) the project's survival is not at risk—unless the victim sues >Debian as

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Molly, On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 5:42 AM Molly dB wrote: > > I'd like to hear about where you draw the line between individual > issues and community wide issues. To use an example of copyright > claims: Would it be Debian's responsibility if someone raised a > copyright claim against an

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Molly dB
Hi Felix, I'd like to ask a tangential question. I'd like to hear about where you draw the line between individual issues and community wide issues. To use an example of copyright claims: Would it be Debian's responsibility if someone raised a copyright claim against an individual for their

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-18 Thread Molly dB
Hi Hideki, I don't think it's exactly a term limit problem. In November, there was an email to debian-private about a small team handling some legal work (also mentioned in Jonathan's email). I want to know about how a new DPL would take over this specific issue and manage future legal issues.

Re: Question to all candidates: registering Debian as an organization

2022-03-17 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, > What is your position on registering Debian as an organization? Positive (currently). > I'm curious as to (1) what you think of the idea in general, and (2) > insofar you think this is a good idea, to what extent you'd consider > pursuing it during your term(s). Reading Jonathan's

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-17 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 10:57:59 -0400 Molly dB wrote: > In November 2021, it was discussed in debian-private that a team from > Debian had been working with a lawyer for a while. (Not sharing > details: issues remain ongoing.) How would you transition into taking > on this particular

Re: Question to all candidates: how is Debian doing?

2022-03-17 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Lucas, On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:52 PM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Interesting. What would be the composition, roles, duties of that > Strategy Council ? Like all committees and boards I envision, the Strategy Council should have at least five but no more than twelve members. I personally

Re: Question to all candidates: how is Debian doing?

2022-03-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Thanks for you answers On 17/03/22 at 09:50 -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > If elected, I hope to form a Strategy Council that will re-evaluate as > well as expand on those answers, and have solutions ready at all > times. Interesting. What would be the composition, roles, duties of that Strategy

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-17 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Molly, On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 10:49 AM Molly dB wrote: > > If you feel like it's appropriate, I'd appreciate hearing more details > on debian-private. Since Jonathan wrote that advances are imminent, I unfortunately do not think it's appropriate for us to discuss it any further, in any

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-17 Thread Molly dB
Hi Felix (and others), If you feel like it's appropriate, I'd appreciate hearing more details on debian-private. Cheers, Molly On Thu, 2022-03-17 at 09:16 -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi Molly, > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:15 AM Molly dB wrote: > > > > In November 2021, it was discussed in

Re: Question to all candidates: registering Debian as an organization

2022-03-17 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Christian, On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 9:48 AM Christian Kastner wrote: > > What is your position on registering Debian as an organization? > > I'm curious as to (1) what you think of the idea in general, and (2) > insofar you think this is a good idea, to what extent you'd consider > pursuing it

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-17 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Molly On 2022/03/17 16:57, Molly dB wrote: In November 2021, it was discussed in debian-private that a team from Debian had been working with a lawyer for a while. (Not sharing details: issues remain ongoing.) How would you transition into taking on this particular responsibility and similar

Re: Question to all candidates: how is Debian doing?

2022-03-17 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Lucas, On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:55 AM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > How is Debian doing currently? We do what we have always done, but the world is changing around us. > What are the recent successes I might have missed? We are quirky, but very much alive! > Where did we fail or

Question to all candidates: registering Debian as an organization

2022-03-17 Thread Christian Kastner
Jonathan has already addressed this in his platform, acknowledging Brian Gupta's 2020 campaign focus on this, so this is mostly a question for Hideki and Felix: What is your position on registering Debian as an organization? I'm curious as to (1) what you think of the idea in general, and (2)

Re: Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-17 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Molly, On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:15 AM Molly dB wrote: > > In November 2021, it was discussed in debian-private that a team from > Debian had been working with a lawyer for a while. (Not sharing > details: issues remain ongoing.) How would you transition into taking > on this particular

Question to all candidates: how is Debian doing?

2022-03-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, As someone who used to care a lot about Debian, but who hasn't been able to pay much attention to the project lately, I was wondering: How is Debian doing currently? What are the recent successes I might have missed? Where did we fail or under-perform? Which big challenges do you see

Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

2022-03-17 Thread Molly dB
Hi Candidates, I'm excited that you all are running and appreciate your willingness to take on this responsibility. In November 2021, it was discussed in debian-private that a team from Debian had been working with a lawyer for a while. (Not sharing details: issues remain ongoing.) How would you

Re: Question to all candidates: Monthly "Bits from the DPL"

2022-03-17 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Hideki, On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:28 AM Hideki Yamane wrote: > > And for that, I want **YOU** (contributors) to tell current situations. > I want to know, I want to hear, I want to talk with YOU (for the project > and me :) Your desire to engage with your future constituents embodies the

Re: Question to all candidates: rotation on positions of power

2022-03-17 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, > What do you think of the reform of the Technical Committee that > introduced a limit to the time people can serve in, and would you > consider applying a similar policy to other positions of power in > Debian? I'm sorry, but could you explain "what do you want to improve with a term

Re: Question to all candidates: Monthly "Bits from the DPL"

2022-03-17 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, > I would like to know what is the stance of the 3 candidates on producing > monthly "Bits from the DPL" reports on their activities. > > I like them very much and I think they are a great way to keep us all > informed of what the DPL has been doing. Yes indeed. It's important for the

Re: Question to all candidates: rotation on positions of power

2022-03-16 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Charles On 2022/03/16 14:28, Charles Plessy wrote: thank you for running ! I have a question for you (and only you). Yay, thanks for the question! What do you think of the reform of the Technical Committee that introduced a limit to the time people can serve in, and would you consider

Re: Question to all candidates: Monthly "Bits from the DPL"

2022-03-16 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Louis-Philippe On 2022/03/16 20:12, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: I would like to know what is the stance of the 3 candidates on producing monthly "Bits from the DPL" reports on their activities. I like them very much and I think they are a great way to keep us all informed of what the

Re: Question to all candidates: Monthly "Bits from the DPL"

2022-03-16 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Louis-Philippe, On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:12 AM Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > > I would like to know what is the stance of the 3 candidates on producing > monthly "Bits from the DPL" reports on their activities. > > I like them very much and I think they are a great way to keep us all >

Re: Question to all candidates: rotation on positions of power

2022-03-16 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Ansgar, On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 10:12 AM Ansgar wrote: > > You only mention delegates which have a formally easy way to get > replaced: the project leader can just do so. I limited my statement to delegates because my constitutional powers end there. For other matters, I would be an advocate

Question to all candidates: Monthly "Bits from the DPL"

2022-03-16 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
Hi, I would like to know what is the stance of the 3 candidates on producing monthly "Bits from the DPL" reports on their activities. I like them very much and I think they are a great way to keep us all informed of what the DPL has been doing. They do take time to produce though and some DPLs

Re: Question to all candidates: rotation on positions of power

2022-03-16 Thread Ansgar
Hi Felix, On Wed, 2022-03-16 at 09:45 -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 5:28 AM Charles Plessy > wrote: > > > > What do you think of the reform of the Technical Committee that > > introduced a limit to the time people can serve in, and would you > > consider applying a

Re: Question to all candidates: rotation on positions of power

2022-03-16 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Charles, On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 5:28 AM Charles Plessy wrote: > > What do you think of the reform of the Technical Committee that > introduced a limit to the time people can serve in, and would you > consider applying a similar policy to other positions of power in > Debian? I am a big fan

Re: Question to all candidates: rotation on positions of power

2022-03-16 Thread Ansgar
On Wed, 2022-03-16 at 21:28 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > I have a question for you (and only you). I'll ignore that ;-) > What do you think of the reform of the Technical Committee that > introduced a limit to the time people can serve in This was already introduced years ago:

Question to all candidates: rotation on positions of power

2022-03-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi all candidates, thank you for running ! I have a question for you (and only you). What do you think of the reform of the Technical Committee that introduced a limit to the time people can serve in, and would you consider applying a similar policy to other positions of power in Debian? Have

Re: Question for all candidates: Sam's non-platform: Delegates

2020-03-18 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM Sean Whitton wrote: > > Hello, > > In his non-platform, Sam wrote > > If I were running as DPL, figuring out how to do a better job of > managing delegations, respecting both the current delegates and the > needs of the project, would be my priority for

Re: Question for all candidates: Sam's non-platform: Delegates

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/18 19:33, Sean Whitton wrote: > In his non-platform, Sam wrote > > If I were running as DPL, figuring out how to do a better job of > managing delegations, respecting both the current delegates and the > needs of the project, would be my priority for the next year. I >

Question for all candidates: Sam's non-platform: Delegates

2020-03-18 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, In his non-platform, Sam wrote If I were running as DPL, figuring out how to do a better job of managing delegations, respecting both the current delegates and the needs of the project, would be my priority for the next year. I hope that the candidates who step forward

Re: Question to all candidates: In eight years...

2012-03-31 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 07:27:55PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: this is the echo of a question asked two years ago in the 2010 campaign. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/03/msg00057.html “In ten^Weight years I'd like Debian...”: - to be backed by a massively diverse community, even

Question to all candidates: In eight years...

2012-03-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Dear candidates, this is the echo of a question asked two years ago in the 2010 campaign. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/03/msg00057.html In addition, do you see major changes happening in the recent or next years, and how do you think Debian should react to them ? Have a nice day,

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-11-18 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:12, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: Do you have concrete suggestions for her on how it should be working? I know that the FreeBSD community has experimented with paid development for FreeBSD in the past; the first such attempt was done by Poul-Henning

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:57:38AM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: Hello dear candidates, Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge to do more every year? As Marge also

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ Apologies for this late/out of time answer, I'll try hard to make this the last time I bother the -vote-rs :-) ] On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:57:38AM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops,

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-02 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 06:39:46PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: I'm not sure why you think so, but I do acknowledge that this is a hard thing to implement. Not wishing to oversimplify, this kind of strategy carries a high risk of conditioning the horse to walk *only* if there's a

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-02 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
Hello, [switching to debian-project] On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 09:57 +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge to do more every year? This first

Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
Hello dear candidates, Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge to do more every year? What would you do about it, as a DPL? Thanks to each one of you for being candidate.

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-04-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 06:47:53AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: Agreed, but would you agree that it is a core part of the role of the DPL/2IC, or indeed any mediator, to provide at least basic status and progress info to the project as a whole? Yes, absolutely. Beside this specific case---which

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be wrote: Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge to do more every year? There are two important things involved:

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:24:14AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: One important example is fixing bugs. Developers spend quite a lot of time fixing bugs, and most of the time you don't need to be a DD to fix those bugs, anybody can help out fixing more bugs. Another example is the

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:57:38AM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT a écrit : Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge to do more every year? What would you do about it, as a DPL? Hi

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 01:34:02AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:57:38AM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT a écrit : Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Marcelo E. Magallon mmaga...@debian.org wrote:  Simple question: How?  (in case it's not clear: since you seem to think it's part of  the DPL's responsabilities, how do you plan to attract people to  help with these things?) I do not think it's part of the

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:00:29PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: I do not think it's part of the DPL responsibilities. I do think that it's something that Debian needs and that doing it with the DPL hat on is going to make it easier, it's not a requirement (most stuff that DPL candidates

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Marcelo E. Magallon mmaga...@debian.org wrote:  You say it would be easier if you were DPL.  Why do you think  this is the case? It is inevitable that people will take you more seriously when you are the appointed leader than if you are just a random developer.

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-31 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Dear Margarita and Stefano, On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 04:03:00PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: [snip] On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 05:30:50PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [snip] Thank you for your replies. I am glad that you care about this issue, and have voiced your opinion on how to handle

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-31 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:27:00PM -0500, Kumar Appaiah a écrit : My question to you is, do you envision a role for the DPL in fixing such inadequate maintenance of important packages. Hello Kumar, for the moment, you have taken the way of the Technical Comitee, and this does not require the

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Kumar, On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:27:00PM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: Dear Candidates, First of all, I wish you all the very best for the elections! At the outset, this question is not meant to be inflammatory or to express ire at a particular individual or set of individuals involved;

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-31 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 02:57:59AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: One of the questions which I've not yet seen exactly in the discussions is on the transparency in the maintenance of non-core but important packages, such as python, wherein the maintenance of the package and policy (till a

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-31 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Dear Charles, On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:23:25AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: for the moment, you have taken the way of the Technical Comitee, and this does not require the intervention of the DPL. Asking the TC to solve a disagreement between two parties should be the occasion to write down

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-31 Thread Russ Allbery
Kumar Appaiah a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in writes: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 02:57:59AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I don't wish to comment on the specific case of python packaging. There's been lots of things going on there, and though some of it was in public, the thread you point to clearly

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 08:05:40PM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 02:57:59AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: One of the questions which I've not yet seen exactly in the discussions is on the transparency in the maintenance of non-core but important packages, such as

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-31 Thread Frans Pop
Wouter Verhelst wrote: Discussing problems in public works very well if two people like eachother. If they don't, however, you get two people cursing at eachother. Now there are some people who really don't mind doing that in public; but when things get messy, not being messy out in the open

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-31 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 06:47:53AM +0200, Frans Pop a écrit : Also, it has been claimed we cannot provide any information because discussions are in private [1]. Do candidates agree to that, or do they think that a DPL should make clear to parties in advance that the project will be kept

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-30 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi all, the question of the core infrastructures is difficult and very important. Le Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber a écrit : Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the fact that

Re: Question to all Candidates: Who would you vote for?

2010-03-30 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:09:43AM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl a écrit : Suppose that you would not run for DPL: Who would you vote and why? Hi Alexander, I would vote for Stefano, because the impressive determination he puts in his RC-bug of the day marathon suggest that he would do a

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
(And to answer to the comment ‘you do not need to be DPL for doing this’, that is true, but if I make a bad score at this election, I will conclude that there are not many persons interested in what I propose anyway, and will save everybody's time by not discussing them further in the

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-29 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:03:00AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : I find that attitude problematic. When electing a DPL we get a package deal. Some of each candidates ideas are liked by some/many, others disliked by some/many. It would be a shame to throw out good ideas with bad ones. Le Mon,

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-29 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Kumar Appaiah a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in wrote: My question to you is, do you envision a role for the DPL in fixing such inadequate maintenance of important packages, or are you of the opinion that is it up to the affected Debian community to stop whining and

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-28 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org [100327 06:17]: I think that the ‘RPM hell’ that you used to comment my propositions is more related to a situation when independant distributions are using the same package format, than when a distribution offers multiple repositories that obey to a policy

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-28 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:27:00PM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: First of all, I wish you all the very best for the elections! Hi Kumar, thanks a lot! This has led some parts of the community (Debian Python, in this case) to knock the doors of the tech-ctte[1] (recommended reading, unless you

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-28 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 16:51, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: ... unfortunately some of the involved parties did not reply to the offer. Not some, just one: the Python maintainer. (as said in the bug log.) Regards, -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website:

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-28 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Dear Zack, Thanks for the response. On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 04:51:52PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: My question to you is, do you envision a role for the DPL in fixing such inadequate maintenance of important packages, or are you of the opinion that is it up to the affected Debian

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-28 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 09:59:08AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: The method adopted for resolution of this conflict has, for better or for worse, happened behind-the-scenes. Now, some in the project feel that this is the best way to avoid a conflagration of sorts, but others feel that this back

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-28 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 01:15:47PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : I don't understand what cloud computing has to do with your idea of using package priorities to release differently different sub-systems within Debian. I'm well aware that we are currently lagging behind in the race for

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