Till Kamppeter wrote:
Mike Shaver wrote:
The requirements are probably something like "work everywhere that Firefox works, and don't suck".
We have a user-experience lead whom I love too much to copy on this thread, but
his time is currently best spent on things other than designing our
On 12/14/05, Ryan Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... I intend to continue
> using Gnome, and I'd like to tell you why: it uses 50MB less memory than
> KDE.
And I'll keep using LWM because it uses 99.5% less memory than Gnome :-)
Gnome on fc3 seems to be taking 108MB of RSS, whereas:
[EMAI
Mr. Waugh:
Having recently read about Mr. Torvalds's comments on the KDE vs. Gnome matter, I found the thread and drilled down into it a bit. It seems to me that the features that Torvalds and others are complaining about are trivial at best, while the complaints themselves are bloated. I intend
michael chang wrote:
>>I read often "Manual Duplex" in consumer printer advertizing. And that
>>means usually that the software coming with the printer has such a
>>manual duplex wizard. If we provide it from the OS or from the desktop,
>>we can say "Duplex on every printer, either manual or automa
On 12/14/05, Till Kamppeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> michael chang wrote:> >
On 12/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >> >>>What about
a "manual duplex wizard" instead of/in addition to odd/even?> >>>With pictures,
like one sometimes finds in Windows printer drivers.> >>>
michael chang wrote:
> On 12/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>>What about a "manual duplex wizard" instead of/in addition to odd/even?
>>>With pictures, like one sometimes finds in Windows printer drivers.
>>
>>Do people really still bother with manual duplex printing tha
Martin Konold wrote:
Am Dienstag, 13. Dezember 2005 20:49 schrieb Jon Walker:
Jon,
resonate with everyone here is that conflict resolution should be done
by a group that DOES NOT contain representatives of the various projects
but rather the beneficiaries i.e. users and ISVs (and/or whoeve
Hey,
On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 17:00 +, Mike Shaver wrote:
> Consider this an open invitation for someone to come forward with a
> proposal, plan, and patch for the Unix printing experience on Firefox.
> It's been an under-owned area, though I think at various times Marco
> Pesetti, Chrises Lahey
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 12:12, Timothy D. Witham wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 03:40 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Then you are missing the point. One thing about enterprises is that
> > > they really want to be able to configure systems the way that they want
> > > to use them.
> >
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Martin Konold wrote:
>
> Using SIGIO is often a suitable solution if you want to avoid the complexity
> of threads. I use it rather often in order to make legacy software more
> responsive and in order to add some asynchronous behaviour.
Sure. And it's a perfectly fine ca
On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 16:22 +0100, Martin Konold wrote:
> Keith: I can assume that in the case of congestion it is not really
> desireable
> to inform all clients about every small mouse movement. I can imagine that it
> is useful to introduce a more relaxed semantic when congestion(*) happens.
Hubert Figuiere wrote:
Not that I advocate to put video drivers in the kernel
Framebuffer drivers are, what's more interesting is why aren't these
drivers used more for display stuff? Aren't framebuffers well suited or
what?
O. Wyss
--
Application guidelines: http://freshmeat.net/pr
Till Kamppeter wrote:
Michael Sweet wrote:
Tomasz Janowitz wrote:
Hi.
-> Michael Sweet - very good points!
I would add:
1) The 'current page' option should be there in a print dialog (next
to 'all' ?)
Agreed.
2) The same with print to file.
Actually, I like what KDE does - "Print to
Mike Shaver wrote:
> The requirements are probably something like "work everywhere that Firefox
> works, and don't suck".
>
> We have a user-experience lead whom I love too much to copy on this thread,
> but his time is currently best spent on things other than designing our Unix
> printing d
Linus Torvalds wrote:
The fact is, developers don't know what their users are going to need.
That's a very fundamental issue in any software engineering. The other,
almost as fundamental issue, is that asking users is usually not very
productive either, because (a) different users will give yo
Michael Sweet wrote:
> Tomasz Janowitz wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> -> Michael Sweet - very good points!
>>
>> I would add:
>
>
>> 1) The 'current page' option should be there in a print dialog (next
>> to 'all' ?)
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>> 2) The same with print to file.
>
>
> Actually, I like what KDE
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 17:29, Martin Konold wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 12:22 schrieb Tomasz Janowitz:
>
> Hi,
>
> > unfortunately I find both have become a bit "top heavy" and seem
> > sluggish on older equipment often found in schools and non-for-profit
> > organizations.
>
> I
The requirements are probably something like "work everywhere that Firefox
works, and don't suck".
We have a user-experience lead whom I love too much to copy on this thread, but
his time is currently best spent on things other than designing our Unix
printing dialog.
Consider this an open i
Mike Shaver wrote:
> On 12-Dec-05, at 8:33 PM, Till Kamppeter wrote:
>
>> And we all were of the opinion that
>> the GNOME printing dialog (and also the printing dialogs of Firefox and
>> Thunderbird) needs improvement.
>
>
> Before Firefox 1.0, there was much kerfuffle over this, and out of t
Kurt Pfeifle wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 December 2005 01:33, Till Kamppeter wrote:
>
>
>>Frederic told that the options from the PPD file are intentionally mot
>>listed in the printing dialog, the usability team of GNOME was against
>>listing these options. They clutter the dialog and can be more con
Curtis Hovey wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 10:02 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
>
>
>>>Today I talked with Frederic Crozat, GNOME packager/maintainer and
>>>desktop developer here at Mandriva, and David Barth, vice president for
>>>engineering, about the development of the printing dialogs in GNOM
Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 12:22 schrieb Tomasz Janowitz:
Hi,
> unfortunately I find both have become a bit "top heavy" and seem
> sluggish on older equipment often found in schools and non-for-profit
> organizations.
I am not willing to accept this often repeated point without actual number
Am Dienstag, 13. Dezember 2005 20:49 schrieb Jon Walker:
Jon,
> resonate with everyone here is that conflict resolution should be done
> by a group that DOES NOT contain representatives of the various projects
> but rather the beneficiaries i.e. users and ISVs (and/or whoever else is
> a benefici
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Keith Packard wrote:
>
> > Quite frankly, the simplest solution by far would be that X used a real
> > thread for mouse handling (and possibly other things, but mouse screen
> > updates really do tend to be special. I don't think X uses signals for
> > anything else than
On 2005-12-14, Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --===080417869966452615==
> Content-type: text/plain
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>
> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 07:53 +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
>> Combine this with the increasing BSOD-type behaviour of the kernel after
>> 2.2 (
Murray Cumming wrote:
> I don't remember any such discussion, though I could be wrong. I think
> it's highly unlikely. It's more likely that the GNOME print system was
> difficult to do and started out with something simple. And it hasn't had
> much attention lately while we've waited for other par
Havoc Pennington wrote:
> I'm just suggesting that if you wanted to talk to people about this
> it'd be good to cook up some details. What kinds of things can
> printers do? What kinds of users use those things or buy those
> printers? How do those things fit in to the person's work or fun?
> Desig
Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 07:38 schrieb Linus Torvalds:
Thread Hijacking ahead
Hi Linus,
thanks for starting a technical discussion to help to solve the issues with
the responsiveness of the Linux Desktop. For the near and mid-term future
this means an X11 based desktop.
Actually I
On 2005-12-14, Hubert Figuiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not that I advocate to put video drivers in the kernel
The kernel should include whatever is required to reliably switch video
modes, or, to otherwise reset things so that virtual consoles can be
switched without relying on the hung X
On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 07:53 +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> Combine this with the increasing BSOD-type behaviour of the kernel after
> 2.2 (much of which may be related to the pursuit of "desktop performance"
> which, of course, includes BSOD emulation), and still after 15 or so years,
> not having
Daniel F Moisset wrote:
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 11:32 -0800, Alex Graveley wrote:
Hi,
Carl Worth wrote:
> PS. These side threads are entertaining, but I do hope we also get
> back to Till's original list and we can all work together on designing
> a good print dialog.
To this effect, here are
On 14/12/05 02:53 am, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> and still after 15 or so years,
> not having display drivers in the kernel, thus allowing X to put the
> system in a state where it only responds to the reset button from the
> console.
Shall I mention that the last time my PowerBook have had a kernel
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 11:32 -0800, Alex Graveley wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Carl Worth wrote:
> > PS. These side threads are entertaining, but I do hope we also get
> > back to Till's original list and we can all work together on designing
> > a good print dialog.
>
> To this effect, here are the mockup
Am Dienstag, 13. Dezember 2005 17:40 schrieb Jeff Waugh:
Hi Jeff,
> This is incorrect. As mentioned at the DTL meeting, a Siemens study from a
> few years back demonstrated that duplicated interfaces result in decreased
> user acceptance and increased training costs; while your software may look
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 17:14 -0500, Leon Shiman wrote:
> we did this openly in x.org in 1999/2000. those documents might be a good
> place for a sublist to start.
what documents? i don't see anything on the MAS site. and i've never
seen anything from x.org about this. URL ?
--p
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Tomasz Janowitz wrote:
Subject:
Re: [Usability] Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME
(Summit mockups)
From:
"Piotr R. Sidorowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:15:46 -0500
To:
Tomasz Janowit
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Hello,
All are excellent points. What I would like to see is a sensible paper
size selection, based on timezone settings perhaps. It is a safe bet
that for US and Canada the default setting should be Letter, for Europe
likely A4,
Hi Paul,
Thanks to taking the initiative to get this rolling, here is my feedback
on your items. As a general comment I think a lot of the problems with
linux Sound and Video not 'just working' can found in the kernel layer
with bad and inconsistently behaving drivers as one point.
(Luckily we hav
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 22:38 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> Now it's not idle any more. The "select()" will have exited, but X now has
> an agenda: it needs to inform all the clients that the mouse has moved.
> That basically ends up looping over the internal X client list, and for
> each cli
Le mardi 13 décembre 2005 à 02:33 +0100, Till Kamppeter a écrit :
> Frederic told that the options from the PPD file are intentionally mot
> listed in the printing dialog, the usability team of GNOME was against
> listing these options. They clutter the dialog and can be more confusing
> than usef
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 07:47:44AM +0100, Martin Konold wrote:
> (I have to admit that I fully forgot about all those folks not using Linux
> Desktops but are forced to use either web bases mailers or Windows. Sorry for
> the ignorance)
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