[history] The first cocoon web site

2005-07-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
http://web.archive.org/web/19991012034854/java.apache.org/cocoon/index.html This is close to be 6 years ago. It seems s far away, technologically speaking, there wasn't even ant nor tomcat around! Makes you wonder what it will be 6 years from now... -- Stefano.

Re: svn commit: r224461 - /cocoon/trunk/gump.xml

2005-07-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: joerg Date: Sat Jul 23 05:18:39 2005 New Revision: 224461 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=224461view=rev Log: fixing and synchronizing Cocoon's gump descriptor in gump and Cocoon trunk Modified: cocoon/trunk/gump.xml Upayavira, what happened

Re: [RT] Goals for the next major release of Cocoon

2005-07-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: == Intro == This is not really an [RT] but a summary of a discussion that we (Gianugo, Upayavira, Reinhard, Daniel, Alfred, Bertrand, Marcus, Carsten, Giacomo, Sylvain and Torsten) just had at the Blockathon. See also

Re: gump.xml location

2005-07-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Upayavira wrote: I've just had chats with Stefan Bodewig and Leo Simons from Gump, about the location of the gump.xml file. At the moment, they've got a _copy_ of our gump.xml in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/gump/metadata/project/cocoon.xml which is far from preferable. Here's what we

Re: Cocoon Gump descriptor is now in Gump's SVN

2005-07-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi, after we've migrated Gump's metadata over to svn as well, there shouldn't be any need to keep the Cocoon descriptor inside of the cocoon tree. I've just committed , | Added: | gump/metadata/project/cocoon.xml | - copied unchanged from r216130,

Re: Cocoon Gump descriptor is now in Gump's SVN

2005-07-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi, after we've migrated Gump's metadata over to svn as well, there shouldn't be any need to keep the Cocoon descriptor inside of the cocoon tree. I've just committed , | Added: | gump/metadata/project/cocoon.xml | - copied

Re: [vote] Give Max Pfingsthorn temporary and restricted commit privileges to our code repository

2005-07-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Upayavira wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: As you all know, Max Pfingsthorn is one of our Google Summer of Code students and he will work on the implementation of the cforms library. In order to make his life and the life of his two mentors (Sylvain and I) easier, I want to give him

Re: Google SoC - CForms project

2005-06-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 27 juin 05, à 09:47, Max Pfingsthorn a écrit : ...I got this from google this weekend, seems like I'm going to spent some time on CForms this summer ;).. Welcome Max - looking forward to this development, and all the best for your exams! Welcome on board!

Re: [Ann/RFC] Sitemap Blocks

2005-06-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Give me a 3 lines description of where to start looking and I'll get going. A good starting point is the BlocksManager and sitemap component configurations in the test cases: src/test/org/apache/cocoon/test/components/blocks/BlocksManagerTestCase.xconf. all right,

Re: [Ann/RFC] Sitemap Blocks

2005-06-20 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Yey!! Daniel, you rock! Thanks so much for your continuous work on this! Thanks :) See my comments inlined. Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: snip/ The super block of a block is identified by /wiring/block/connections/connection

[vote] gump-related stuff

2005-06-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
We should try to make it easier for gump to work with us. Our build system is a little hacky in that regard since it uses partial gump information to build cocoon. Gump strongly suggests people to move their gump descriptors over to the gump repository, so that all apache committers have access

Re: [PATCH][Gump] your definitions break Gump builds

2005-06-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's not a matter of being annoyed enough (we are already!), it's the fact that cocoon needs that file at build time

Re: [PATCH][Gump] your definitions break Gump builds

2005-06-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've committed this patch to Cocoon trunk. Many thanks. I presume that is the correct place. Until the Cocoon project is annoyed enough by our patches and moves the descriptor over to Gump land, I

Re: [PATCH][Gump] your definitions break Gump builds

2005-06-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's not a matter of being annoyed enough (we are already!), it's the fact that cocoon needs that file at build time. Hmm, so why don't you realize that you have a typo in it for many days? Like when

Re: [OT] Determining the similarity between a pair of texts

2005-06-15 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Peter Hunsberger wrote: On 6/15/05, Ugo Cei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Il giorno 15/giu/05, alle 16:32, Tony Collen ha scritto: snip/ Actually, what I am trying to come up is an algorithm for determining whether two texts refer (more or less) about similar subjects. Eee, then you may

Re: [OT] Determining the similarity between a pair of texts

2005-06-15 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 15/giu/05, alle 18:27, Stefano Mazzocchi ha scritto: I've been working on this for the past few months. There is no clearcut solution, but using LSI is probably the best approach for the above LSI == ? latent semantic indexing As for string distance, you might

Re: [osgi] Package structure

2005-06-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 10 juin 05, à 18:23, Daniel Fagerstrom a écrit : ...I will be offline the comming week (sailing). Feel free to finish the OSGi stuff while I'm away ;) hmmm...this OSGI stuff is cool, but if we have a choice, I'd rather go sailing ;-) Which, in fact, I did

Re: [VOTE] Document Editors, and a new Committer

2005-06-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Nathaniel Alfred wrote: -Original Message- From: Upayavira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Juni 2005 11:52 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Document Editors, and a new Committer On this basis, I'd like to propose Helma Van Der Linden as a Cocoon committer, and

Re: [Ann/RFC] Sitemap Blocks

2005-06-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Yey!! Daniel, you rock! Thanks so much for your continuous work on this! See my comments inlined. Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: I have added a first, hopefully working, version of the sitemap aspect of real blocks to the trunk. No functionality to get components (not even VPCs) yet from the

Re: Block builder and deployer

2005-05-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David Casal wrote: That's what I'm after. So you see a roadmap whereby first you work on easy kernel installation -then- play semantics. Correct. The other way around would make the goal even harder to bootstrap. No advancement in an open source software happens if you don't capture some

Re: Block builder and deployer

2005-05-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David Casal wrote: Do you see a point where they'll be able to put together semi-complex webapps in LEGO style? Dude, can you read? http://cocoon.apache.org/ [very first paragraph] :-) [nobody is responding because that's like asking: do you see a future of open source for this project? WTF

Re: [PlanetCocoon] 4 new ideas to discuss on Planet Cocoon

2005-05-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sebastien Arbogast wrote: 2005/5/24, Gerald Aichholzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Sebastien, Sebastien Arbogast wrote: you can see the aliased edges in the letters a, b, o and c. This is causing a very blurry presentation when viewing in normal size. It rather looks like ClearType is on. I

Re: Planet Cocoon license and reuse of docs

2005-05-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Unico Hommes wrote: BTW. Where *is* Linotype? I found this http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=110705988801725w=2 but looking at http://simile.mit.edu/ I can't seem to find it. Linotype in the 2.1 branch seems to be somewhat broken. on betaversion.org svn I host the version that

Re: Mailing list statistics

2005-05-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Mark Leicester wrote: Sorry, that link again is: http://www.planetcocoon.com/hof Mark, are you aware of http://cocoon.apache.org/mail/dev/ ? -- Stefano.

Re: Mailing list statistics

2005-05-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: On 18 May 2005, at 04:58, Mark Leicester wrote: I've installed a Hall of Fame module into PlanetCocoon. This module summarises activity on the site: active users, active commenters, popular content, etc. It's not exact, but it gives an idea of mailing list traffic. I say

Re: Mailing list statistics

2005-05-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Jorg Heymans wrote: Hi Mark, Mark Leicester wrote: I've been thinking about incentives for community members. The main community incentive - beyond sharing the fruits of our labour - is committership. That goal is a long way off for a newbie. I have wondering about the possibility of setting other

Re: Mailing list statistics

2005-05-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: So we need other kinds of indirect measurements. Some of them are in Stefano's agora, such as the variety of people one talks to, which shows some level of community implication. I spent months trying to visualize a community in a way that was not subjectively polarized

Re: Mailing list statistics

2005-05-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Linden H van der (MI) wrote: I'm interested in hearing why you think that committership is *the* incentive for people to contribute? Same here. I may not be a representative of the average user population, but I don't WANT committership until I'm fully convinced that I can submit something

Re: Mailing list statistics

2005-05-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Antonio Gallardo wrote: On Mie, 18 de Mayo de 2005, 8:20, Stefano Mazzocchi dijo: http://cocoon.apache.org/mail/dev/ Can someone tell why the 1st 2 files are not .gziped? Too small. Can't see any other reason. historical... and nobody managed to get

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: On 12 May 2005, at 17:21, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: But it's also true that editing xml files in a svn repository sucks as an editing tool. Using wiki (or daisy or other solutions) is much better. I like the notion of daisy - forrest - out makes very good sense. It does, yet

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Steven Noels wrote: ... What do people think? I think that we need people that write documentation, not a tool. I can hardly disagree more. I wrote my blog *before* I wrote its posts. Without it, I could have written them by hand, but god, that always made me go nah.

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sebastien Arbogast wrote: I think that we need people that write documentation, not a tool. I can hardly disagree more. I wrote my blog *before* I wrote its posts. Without it, I could have written them by hand, but god, that always made me go nah. MDR ! This discussion is really funny. No offense

Re: Community health

2005-05-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2005 10:56, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: So, stop wasting your words ranting and tell me how you would solve the problems we have if you had commit access. Although I sympathize with your situation, but the 'tone' is a bit harsh, wouldn't you say. FYI, approx

Re: Cocoon documentation (was: RE: Community health)

2005-05-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Linden H van der (MI) wrote: As explained in a private mail to Sebastien, I've taken up the http://www.cocoondev.org/handbook site that Steven graciously set up for me. I intend to work on the mid-level tutorial that was the initial goal for the Cocoon In Action project. Doing it in Daisy is much

Re: Expert pre-defined/community post-defined? [WAS: Community health]

2005-05-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Mark Leicester wrote: I think you are right, I probably have dismissed the existing stuff a bit early. In that case, I pledge to keep in touch with the current effort. I certainly value ongoing dialogue. However, I wonder out loud: should we be putting documentation behind the barrier of

Re: Expert pre-defined/community post-defined? [WAS: Community health]

2005-05-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sebastien Arbogast wrote: Such management tools should allow people that have the responsibility to validate and publish content on the website to quickly grasp the job they have to do. For example, I may want to have a quick look at all changed documents that have the forms flowscript or sitemap

Re: Community health

2005-05-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Mark Leicester wrote: I want to adopt some community health indicators. Does anyone have any prior knowledge in this field? Oh man, stay away from there, it's a mine field :-) http://nagoya.apache.org/~stefano/ -- Stefano.

Re: Community health

2005-05-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Mark Leicester wrote: On 11 May 2005, at 13:10, Ross Gardler wrote: Mark Leicester wrote: Hello everyone, I've been looking at various statistical representations of community activity: GMANE: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.text.xml.cocoon.devel http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.text.xml.cocoon.user Vadim:

Re: Community health

2005-05-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Mark Leicester wrote: Hi Sebastien, Goodness me. There's plenty of strength of feeling expressed in this email. I'm grateful to you for talking this way. I think my motivation for working on spreadcocoon and planetcocoon comes from a similar place so perhaps I can empathise. I've been thinking

Re: Community health

2005-05-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sebastien Arbogast wrote: It already applies here. Where do you think I learnt it ;-) It is the conspet of lazy consensus Upayavira was referring to. Well then obviously it's not always as efficient as expected :-P Or once more it's not enough... Of course is not enough. If everything was enough,

Re: Removing @author tags

2005-05-02 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 1 mai 05, à 22:46, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...So, I think it's really time to do some cleanup and remove these tags everywhere... Fine with me IIRC Bertrand ran a script to extract the current tags to build a credits file. Bertrand, any

Re: [VOTE] Removing author tags

2005-05-02 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, We discussed more that one year ago the removal of @author tags in our source files (see [1] and [2]) but although the consensus was to remove them, we never actually did it. Now most if not all new classes added since then have no @author tag, leading to a strange

Re: [VOTE] Time format for access time.

2005-05-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: This is only related to the time format in the access output. Currently we use: Processed by Apache Cocoon 2.1.8-dev in 3.612 seconds. Processed by Apache Cocoon 2.1.8-dev in 3 milliseconds. New format (an ISO8601-like): Processed by Apache Cocoon 2.1.8-dev in

Re: [RT] Cocoonlet

2005-04-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 27 avr. 05, à 16:41, Daniel Fagerstrom a écrit : ...Then we need a name for sitemap blocks. I propose to call them cocoonlets... Frankly, I don't like the name - most of these -let names sound bad to me. But I don't think the names

Re: [RT] Cocoonlet

2005-04-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Our current (controversial ;) ) plan is to consider the sitemap and the component aspect of the original block proposal as separate concerns and (at least initially) solve them separately. I propose less controversial plan. As the first step,

Re: [RT] Cocoonlet

2005-04-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Our current (controversial ;) ) plan is to consider the sitemap and the component aspect of the original block proposal as separate concerns and (at least initially) solve them separately. I propose less controversial

Re: [PROPOSAL] Download of jars with Maven ant tasks

2005-04-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Reinhard Poetz wrote: Leszek Gawron wrote: Torsten Curdt wrote: Would it be legally acceptable to link also to non-Apache licensed stuff? (Provided it is made available in a repository somewhere.) IANAL ...but I reckon that should be ok. Problem is - mocks are still not ok ...so it does not buy

Re: error.log

2005-04-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Leszek Gawron wrote: creating a single cocoon.log is a good idea. Still it was very good to have a separate error.log. It is really annoying to search the file for ERROR string. Is anybody against reintroducing error.log? I am, just change the log level or use tail -f cocoon.log | grep ERROR --

Re: [PROPOSAL] Download of jars with Maven ant tasks

2005-04-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ralph Goers wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: Leszek Gawron wrote: Torsten Curdt wrote: Would it be legally acceptable to link also to non-Apache licensed stuff? (Provided it is made available in a repository somewhere.) IANAL ...but I reckon that should be ok. Problem

Re: New JCR block

2005-04-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, I just committed a new JCR block. This block provides two features: a Repository component, and a jcr: protocol. Awesome news! The Repository component is nothing more than the standard javax.jcr.Repository interface

Re: [PROPOSAL] Download of jars with Maven ant tasks

2005-04-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Some time ago, it was noted that the usage of a jar download and handling mechanism would greatly help Cocoon, because it makes it easy to share jars and to download only the ones needed. Ivy was proposed as a possible solution, but I suggested

Re: New JCR block

2005-04-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, I just committed a new JCR block. This block provides two features: a Repository component, and a jcr: protocol. Awesome news! The Repository component is nothing more than the standard javax.jcr.Repository interface, but provides a way to centrally define how to

Re: [VOTE RESULTS] Alfred Nathaniel as committer

2005-04-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Nathaniel Alfred wrote: I counted eighteen +1s and no other votes, welcome Alfred! -Bertrand With my account in the works, it's time to introduce myself. I am team leader of Internet Service Development at SWX Swiss Exchange. Our business unit SWX e-Services (current staff 18, half of them

Re: Transparent and automatic AJAX support for CForms

2005-04-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Michael McGrady wrote: SNIP On 4/21/05, Sylvain Wallez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (stupid Struts people that think the whole world reads their articles and mailing lists) /SNIP What I like most about your writing, Sylvain, is your almost poetic innate sense of assonance. The article was quoted by

Re: Transparent and automatic AJAX support for CForms

2005-04-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Michael McGrady wrote: SNIP On 4/21/05, Sylvain Wallez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (stupid Struts people that think the whole world reads their articles and mailing lists) /SNIP What I like most about your writing, Sylvain, is your almost poetic innate sense of assonance

Re: Transparent and automatic AJAX support for CForms

2005-04-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Michael McGrady wrote: Well, my real interest was in letting Frank Zammetti on the Struts list know about the work on Cocoon. I did not know I had to be real careful to make sure that Sylvain's sense of under-privilege was not hurt. I did not even notice he was part of the equation, frankly. I

Re: [CocoonInAction] 2 new articles

2005-04-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Erik Bruchez wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: o We do strongly believe that the XML pipeline language in OPS beats the ... out of Cocoon pipelines ;-) Oh, that's a bold statement :-) Yes ;-) eheh, one step up and two step back. Your pipeline language feels turing complete (haven't

Re: [CocoonInAction] 2 new articles

2005-04-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Erik Bruchez wrote: [snip] I don't believe the comparison can be all wrong, or even all unfair, even if there is certainly subjectivity in it, and even if we mainly mention OPS's strengths rather than weaknesses. Well, tell you what: rule number one of any CTO/CIO is never to believe in what a

Re: [CocoonInAction] 2 new articles

2005-04-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: A fast checking to the matrix in: http://www.orbeon.com/community/cocoon Antonio: enough. Let's move on. -- Stefano.

[RT] what about cocoon on a diet?

2005-04-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
I just hit a limitation of cocoon that I never thought I would encounter on a server framework: it's too big! We (at MIT) are implementing a pretty complex web application for RDF search and browse interface (Longwell) and I'm about to start the work to support our work done on RDF

Re: [lepido] squatting Cocoon's wiki

2005-04-15 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, The Lepido project is in the proposal phase at Eclipse, and during that phase the only provided resource is a newsgroup. We need however to setup plans, feature list, participants, etc. That's why I kindly ask the Cocoon developers if we can create a few pages for

Re: Java components in blocks

2005-04-15 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 14 Apr 2005, at 13:32, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: snip/ After having read your mails I agree that we at least for the time being, should consider component management with classloader isolation, a separate concern. By _assuming_ independence between blocks and component

Re: Java components in blocks

2005-04-15 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ralph Goers wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: For the portal block, which I still don't know that much about, I would assume that it would become a number of components with some kind of dependency description for each and a block with sitemap functionality and a list on what components it depend

Re: Java components in blocks

2005-04-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: IMO, we should start simple and add functionality when needed. Remove things is much harder. Also even if we chose to go for alternative 4. an important message from Pier that we should take into account is that component exposure adds complexity. So if we go that way, we

Re: Directory structure of blocks

2005-04-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 11 Apr 2005, at 15:50, Reinhard Poetz wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Ok, I had some remembrance that we had decided to have a particular directory structure on the COBs, but I couldn't find any documentation on that, do you have any link or example? no. But AFAIK there

Re: Directory structure of blocks

2005-04-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Geoff Howard wrote: On Apr 12, 2005 2:33 AM, Reinhard Poetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Antonio Gallardo wrote: Is posible to change the name from: block.xml - cob.xml ATM everything is possible ;-) I see the analogy to WEB-INF/ -- web.xml. IMHO this is to keep the same name and avoid confusions.

Re: Directory structure of blocks

2005-04-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ralph Goers wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: Thanks Geoff and Vadim as we already had a vote, we should respect the result and have following intra-block file-system structure: -- [cocoon block] [DIR] | +-- COB-INF [DIR] +--

Re: Manually specifying a mounted sub sitemap's context

2005-04-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: On Apr 11, 2005 5:44 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, look at you: sitemap via webdav? via JCR170? what's next? SOAP? what about describing the sitemap in LDAP directly, you could use netinfo to edit it! hmmm, no, wait, what about sitemap via email

Re: svn commit: r161067 - cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/src/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/pipeline/AbstractProcessingPipeline.java

2005-04-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: While we're talnking about exceptions, what about NOT logging a stacktrace whenever no sitemap match is found? With the current behavior, we get a stacktrace, for example, everytime a browser requests /favicon.ico, which happens quite frequently. Can't we just log a one-line

Re: Manually specifying a mounted sub sitemap's context

2005-04-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Jochen Kuhnle wrote: Hi Sylvain, I agree that generated sitemaps are a somewhat more sophisticated use of Cocoon. However, I think it is a nice feature to have. My main reason for this is that I want to hide the nuts and bolts of sitemaps from site maintainers and just want to give them a

Re: Manually specifying a mounted sub sitemap's context

2005-04-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Reinhard Poetz wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: So, if you think there is a functionality missing in the sitemap, propose a way to fix it, don't propose a way for you to route around it. I agree with Stefano. And AFAIU the problem that has led to this discussion will go away with real blocks

Re: [Ann/RFC] Virtual Sitemap Components

2005-04-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: map:transformers default=xslt map:transformer name=virtual2 src=org.apache.cocoon.transformation.VirtualPipelineTransformer map:source param=src2/ map:transform src=vpc-include.xsl

Re: [Ann/RFC] Virtual Sitemap Components

2005-04-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: map:transformers default=xslt map:transformer name=virtual2 src=org.apache.cocoon.transformation.VirtualPipelineTransformer map:source param=src2/ map:transform

Re: Manually specifying a mounted sub sitemap's context

2005-04-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Upayavira wrote: Antonio Gallardo wrote: On Lun, 11 de Abril de 2005, 8:09, Vadim Gritsenko dijo: Jochen Kuhnle wrote: map:mount src=usersitemap.xmap prefix=~{1}/ context=/home/{1}/pages// I'm +1 for this form; and IIUC Antonio has similar use case: same sitemap for different directories. Yep.

Re: Store implementations : work-dir, cache-dir?

2005-04-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, While trying to fix an annoying but in EHCacheStore when cocoon is reloaded, I found that all cache implementations accept parameters to specify if the cache should go to either cache-dir or work-dir. The question is: why oh why do we have a cache-dir setting if we

Re: [Ann/RFC] Virtual Sitemap Components

2005-04-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: I have continued Vadim's and Sylvain's work and added a first, hopefully working version of virtual sitemap components (VPCs) to the trunk. Awesome!!! You (and Vadim) rock! I'm a happy camper. Use === To use VPCs one define them in the components section in the sitemap,

Re: The value of src/core (or lack thereof)

2005-04-07 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, The src/core directory was initially created to clearly separate the development of ECM++ and ensure it had no dependencies of other parts of Cocoon. All went well until we added some fancy features like includes, variable expansion, etc, which led an increasing

Re: [RT] The block protocol

2005-04-06 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I disagree. You have a world-wide unique identifier (the URI) and a local name in a well isolated context, and a wiring table to glue these together (using the URIs) that's all you need. Consider the following case: One of my applications use

Re: [RT] The block protocol

2005-04-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: You probably meant here BlocksManager No I meant BlockManager. In my discussion I assumed that a BlockManager is responsible for the information within a block element in the wiring (http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/BlocksWiring) and that the BlocksManager correspond to

Re: [RT] The block protocol

2005-04-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Reinhard Poetz wrote: Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Portal block - requires MyProfile that implements profile Correction: - Requires implementation of profile interface. profile is implemented by MyProfile1,

Re: [RT] composition vs. inheritance in blocks

2005-04-04 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: As Stefano doesn't work fulltime at Cocoon anymore, the rest of us must take our reponsibilty and make shure that our individual ideas actually intgrates with others ideas and are benefical for Cocoon as a whole. Daniel, I have never worked fulltime on Cocoon and I have

Re: RFC-2396 (Was: Re: [RT] composition vs. inheritance in blocks)

2005-04-04 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: The only problem I have with block:super://blah.xml is that // in an URI indicates the start of the authority part, and this is defined as [EMAIL PROTECTED]:port, and no matter how you see it, block:...anything... _is_ a URI, and thus should follow its spec... Pier

Re: Cocoon Hackathon at ApacheCon

2005-04-02 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 1 Apr 2005, at 15:40, Torsten Curdt wrote: [X] there is a chance I gonna make it Same here. -- Stefano.

Re: [RT] composition vs. inheritance in blocks

2005-04-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Concerning the skin I find it somewhat burocratic to need to define a new block for beeing able to extend it but I'm ok with it for the time beeing, we will see when we start to use the things. Cool. What I would prefer would be to do something like: MyPortal Sitemap

Re: [RT] composition vs. inheritance in blocks

2005-03-30 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: [snip] Can you describe how you would prefer to adress the building a webapp from several blocks scenario that I described above. Daniel, you are asking for two things: 1) the existence of a super() equivalence in the block protocol 2) the introduction of multiple

[RT] composition vs. inheritance in blocks

2005-03-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: But if we step up from the technical details, the main reason that I want multiple inheritance is that I want to make it easy to build webapps by extending and partly overiding a couple of orthogonal blocks. When you build your webapp block it might extend e.g. a

Re: [RT] composition vs. inheritance in blocks

2005-03-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: snip/ I don't like multiple inheritance and this is not just because I learned OOP thru java, but because every single time I wish I had multiple implementation inheritance in java I found a way to go around the problem

Re: [RT] composition vs. inheritance in blocks

2005-03-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: damn, hit sent too early. If you *don't* care for reusability, then it's true that multiple implementation inheritnace can serve as a cheaper form of composition. For the majority of Cocoon users I would assume that blocks that are possible to extend and override is

Re: [RT] composition vs. inheritance in blocks

2005-03-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Peter Hunsberger wrote: I would go a little further and say that I believe inheritance is useful only when used as a 'cascading' mechanism, in any other sense is harmful: composition should be used instead. Why so? It's extremely hard to design for inheritance, a lot easier to design for

Re: Experimental per-sitemap reloadable classloader

2005-03-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Torsten Curdt wrote: Torsten Curdt wrote: The only thing missing is the automatic reload of classes (you still need to touch the sitemap, which I sometimes forget), Nah... almost there. Will finish that up over Easter. Tadaaa! :) ...ok - now if you use the classpath directive the

Re: Experimental per-sitemap reloadable classloader

2005-03-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: So I wrote in 2.2 an experimental per-sitemap classpath that allows each sitemap to define its own specific classpath for the components defined by map:components. The syntax is as follows (the sitemap is in src/webapp hence

Re: Experimental per-sitemap reloadable classloader

2005-03-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: So I wrote in 2.2 an experimental per-sitemap classpath that allows each sitemap to define its own specific classpath for the components defined by map:components. The syntax is as follows (the sitemap is in src/webapp hence the ../..). map:components map:classpath

Re: Couple of tests I ran on Cocoon, VMs and JDKs

2005-03-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: FYI, might be interesting for the Cocooners out there, as that's what I've tested. http://www.betaversion.org/~pier/wiki/display/pier/32+Versus+64 Interesting. It would also be kinda cool to have some other data in terms of concurrency, you are stressing with 10 threads,

Re: Supported and unsupported blocks

2005-03-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: If I have to choose between an abandoned one man show with full junit test support (whatever that means) and a block with an active community but no tests there would need to be *very* strong other advantages for the one man show, for me to even consider it. If there is

Re: Adding cocoon.suicide() to the FOM API.

2005-03-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, There are some flowscript use cases where we want to stop the current flowscript without creating a continuation, as we don't want to the user to go back to the script. An example is a login function where the caller function expects this function to exit only if

Re: Flowscript encoding weirdness and a solution

2005-03-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, I encountered some weird things with a flowscript containing strings with accented characters, saved in UTF-8. This is because the flow interpreter uses the platform's default encoding to read script files. And of course this default encoding isn't the same on

Re: [RT] Another step to blocks: Application container support

2005-03-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: At the last GT we agreed that our core should not depend on other projects, so we wrote our own container and did not use an existing one. We also said that on the application level, a user can use whatever container she wants on top of Cocoon. It seems that this is a good

Re: Flowscript encoding weirdness and a solution

2005-03-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Marc Portier wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, I encountered some weird things with a flowscript containing strings with accented characters, saved in UTF-8. This is because the flow interpreter uses the platform's default encoding to read script files

Re: Experimental per-sitemap reloadable classloader

2005-03-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, Having to often write quick prototypes with Cocoon, I have on my laptop one main Cocoon installation and a lot of subsitemap directories in various locations, all mounted into the main Cocoon using the mount-table matcher. That works fine

Re: [GUMP@brutus]: Project cocoon (in module cocoon) failed

2005-03-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Gump wrote: SNIP/ compile-mocks: SNIP/ [echo] Compiling Cocoon Core [javac] Compiling 32 source files to /home/gump/workspaces2/public/workspace/cocoon/build/cocoon/classes [javac] Compiling 536 source files to

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