Re: on "meritocracy"

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:52 PM Joan Touzet wrote: > "Wade Chandler" wrote: > > On one hand an organization “can” actively keep > > people out based on personal attributes; intentional negative & bad; > > don’t see this here; if you do, please give direct links; most will > > certainly see that

Re: on "meritocracy"

"don’t see this here" - that's the root of the problem. I was the point of contact for the Code of Conduct for three years. I can assure you the problem exists, in some cases in very extreme ways. You might not see it (perhaps it's not in your projects) or perhaps you are blind to it (that's

Re: on "meritocracy"

"Wade Chandler" wrote: > On one hand an organization “can” actively keep > people out based on personal attributes; intentional negative & bad; > don’t see this here; if you do, please give direct links; most will > certainly see that the same. Naming and shaming in a public forum isn't a good

Re: on "meritocracy"

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Naomi Slater wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 13:14, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> >>> but in practice, this isn't true. and our committer demographics >>> demonstrate this >> >> Then those PMCs have a f'ed up definition and measure of merit. >> > > but this

Re: on "meritocracy"

I'll expand a little on "simple infra request" as I'm not sure if Griselda knows how to make the simple request. Short version open a ticket against INFRA at https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa Longer answer: https://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact

Re: on "meritocracy"

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:25 PM Griselda Cuevas wrote: > > Thanks everyone for the encouragement and recognition. > > I'm happy to work on the Jira board this weekend. Can I just start a new > one on my personal account and add people to it? or does someone need to > create it under an Apache

Re: on "meritocracy"

Thanks everyone for the encouragement and recognition. I'm happy to work on the Jira board this weekend. Can I just start a new one on my personal account and add people to it? or does someone need to create it under an Apache account? - If the later, can someone create it and give me admin

Continuing conversation on Apache Swag

Hi ComDev & Sharan, As per our last convo [1] on an Apache swag, we mentioned that we'd discuss a solution for a possible Apache Swag Store. I'd like to follow up on that

Re: on "meritocracy"

I don't find this off-topic. I am grateful for this profile of Drupal, which I otherwise would not have been exposed to. Thanks Justin! I want to bring the main section headers and key items (curated by me) of the Drupal article on list for ease of reading and archival. Apologies for redundancy

Re: Google Season of Docs 2019

Is this taken care of? Did ASF apply? Is there anything more that I could help with at all? I would also be happy to review anything. Kenn On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 3:14 AM Sharan Foga wrote: > Hi Dinesh > > It's great to hear that the Apache Cassandra community is keen to be > involved with

Re: on "meritocracy"

Hi Griselda, I was thinking along similar lines: measuring where we are, setting goals, making policy, putting together a team to make it happen. I love your enthusiasm and hope we can actually create something great from your ideas. Just as we recognized the value in a fund-raising group,

Re: on "meritocracy"

Hi, Slightly off topic but relevant. One think we could do is look at other foundations and communities and see what they have done that has worked for them. I come across this interesting artifice this morning [1]. Note it includes the steps that community took to build a diverse community,

Re: on "meritocracy"

+0.999 (I think this is a great idea, and I'd love to be a part of it, contribute with my insights from the various under-represented categories I fall into and mistakes I've learned over the past years, but unsure how much time I can devote at present). It will be an interesting journey, and

Re: on "meritocracy"

Sign me up as well. I assume there will be some announcement of the mailing list or jira board here? Interested in observing where ASF goes on the meritocracy thread, interested in actively contributing where I can on diversity efforts. Kenn On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 10:57 Bertrand Delacretaz

Re: Help us understand the effects of developers' personality on collaboration in OSS development

I'm not aware of them asking. And they hit one of my $dayjob accounts.  I am guessing they bought/scraped a list from the archives. Regards, KAM On 3/29/2019 12:34 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: > Did they even ask us to help put them in touch with people? > > How did they pick who they were going to

Re: on "meritocracy"

Hi, On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 6:13 PM Joan Touzet wrote: > ...I think Bertrand here has the > lead since he's working on the website refresh Not really, I helped update a small part of apache.org for the 20th anniversary but that's it. However, if we can come to a consensus about that needs

Re: on "meritocracy"

agreed with Joan I would like to be a part of the "meritocracy" conversation as it moves under Bertrand's initiative. where do I sign up for that? I would also like to contribute to the D work/initiative/committee Sam said: "I'm impressed with the detail, and with the speed with which you

Re: on "meritocracy"

> TL;DR: identify a list of tangible deliverables, and I'll help you > make it happen. In the interest of not losing sight of the meritocracy debate, along with the D work (which I'm happy to engage on, someone sign me up), we need to actually solve the original "meritocracy" problem. I proposed

Re: on "meritocracy"

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 12:29 PM Griselda Cuevas wrote: > > Yes! This is exciting. I'd like to be part of the mailing list [snip] > If you like it, I'm happy to create a Jira board to track efforts. I'm impressed with the detail, and with the speed with which you provided it. And I very much

Re: on "meritocracy"

+0 - as in I support this but don’t have time to do so directly. I will support any surveys or discussions that might come to the Incubator or any of the PMCs of which I’m a member. Regards, Dave > On Mar 29, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Griselda Cuevas wrote: > > Yes! This is exciting. I'd like to be

Re: on "meritocracy"

Hi Griselda, I'd like to help out on the contributor survey. Dinesh On Mar 29, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Griselda Cuevas wrote: Yes! This is exciting. I'd like to be part of the mailing list, and I agree that when there's a product encoded in the efforts. the cadence become stronger. Here's my

Re: on "meritocracy"

I'm a +1 for this, and I'd like to help out as well. Best, Myrle On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 5:29 PM Griselda Cuevas wrote: > Yes! This is exciting. I'd like to be part of the mailing list, and I agree > that when there's a product encoded in the efforts. the cadence become > stronger. > > Here's

Re: on "meritocracy"

If you need volunteers, please count me in as well. Thanks, Aizhamal On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:33 AM Ross Gardler wrote: > I'm in > > Get Outlook for Android > > > From: Sam Ruby > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:07:59 AM > To: Apache

Re: Help us understand the effects of developers' personality on collaboration in OSS development

Did they even ask us to help put them in touch with people? How did they pick who they were going to email? Can anyone take point in contacting their IRB and, well, not to put a too fine a point on it: ratting them out? This certainly was done without approval. And I don't know how they

Re: on "meritocracy"

I'm in Get Outlook for Android From: Sam Ruby Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:07:59 AM To: Apache Community Dev Subject: Re: on "meritocracy" On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:37 AM Griselda Cuevas wrote: > > Another thing we should consider is

Re: on "meritocracy"

Yes! This is exciting. I'd like to be part of the mailing list, and I agree that when there's a product encoded in the efforts. the cadence become stronger. Here's my proposed list of deliverables by work stream: *Diagnostic* 1) Revamp the 2016 contributor survey 2) Launch 2019 Survey (I can do

Re: on "meritocracy"

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:37 AM Griselda Cuevas wrote: > > Another thing we should consider is creating a D council, PMC, working > group (or something alike) for the ASF, and I'd love to be part of it. > > Now, I have to share my feelings with discussions on this list. Sometimes I > struggle to

Re: on "meritocracy"

Apologies. At least the first sentence, and first half of the second is true. Catching up on a long thread and obviously being lost in who said what. Back to the main point of the thread : We should be aware that human nature means we recognize and reward behavior that looks like our own

Re: on "meritocracy"

Oh I forgot to mention that I just concluded a research on user personas & journeys for potential OSS contributors. The objective was to identify the information needs *they* have and what are the characteristics of effective documentation that would entice them to cross the chasm and actually

Re: on "meritocracy"

I'd like to help with the research. I could help to: a) Identify a consultant to work on this, and b) lead the research representing the ASF. Here are my credentials: I'm a latin woman, working actively on bringing awareness of Open Source to Latin America. I'm planning a conference for 1000

Re: on "meritocracy"

On 3/28/19 11:28 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: Naomi, you are showing great tenacity and patience here. I fully support your goals, but I do worry that demanding the foundation "police" these things by forcing people to behave in a way you find acceptable is counter-productive. FWIW, Pierre

Re: on "meritocracy"

in your email, you say that we have made a lot of progress. but I disagree. we have made *some* progress. and that progress is good. but it is nowhere near enough. and I don't intend to stop complaining I am extremely grateful to every person who has helped us make that progress. but as Rich

Re: Help us understand the effects of developers' personality on collaboration in OSS development

Same.  Very frustrating.  These self-serving spams have burned my interest in helping anyone to do legitimate research with our assistance. On 3/29/2019 5:33 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > JFYI - And it look like they may of just spammed a whole lot of people. I > just got an unsolicited

Re: Establishing an Events PMC?

I applaud this idea and fully support it! I also note that it is extremely smart to document what didn't work, as well as what did, w/ ComCon and how Events will be different. Way too often we do these reboots by the seat of our pants. This is the way to do it.

[jira] [Commented] (COMDEV-313) HTTP/3 for Apache Tomcat: DTLS support for JSSE+OpenSSL

[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-313?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel=16804834#comment-16804834 ] Mark Thomas commented on COMDEV-313: Experience with GSoC tells me that a successful student needs to

Re: on "meritocracy"

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Naomi Slater wrote: > > I'd argue that it's actually the failure of the foundation. we're > responsible for instilling the "apache way", so we're responsible for its > shortcomings. and our diversity stats *do* reveal some pretty large > shortcomings > > to

Re: Help us understand the effects of developers' personality on collaboration in OSS development

Hi, JFYI - And it look like they may of just spammed a whole lot of people. I just got an unsolicited email from them. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands,