Agree with Nick,
Stephane,
Its time to take the next step. If you have the infrastructure, start doing
something and show it to different communities. If people like your project
then they will join you.
I am following this thread from the beginning and was +ve at the start. Now
its your divisive
+1
Thank you Mark.
EdB
On Friday, February 27, 2015, Kessler CTR Mark J
wrote:
> Maybe another solution would be to move this to the users list if this
> thread needs to keep going. They will keep the non sdk development
> discussion out of Dev and people can still participate on the Users
Maybe another solution would be to move this to the users list if this thread
needs to keep going. They will keep the non sdk development discussion out of
Dev and people can still participate on the Users list.
-Mark
known about any of these had it not been for the discussion in this
>> thread.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: omup...@gmail.com [mailto:omup...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> OmPrakash Muppirala
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Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:33 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Stephane Beladaci (Flexengineer) <
adobeflexengin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Erik,
What is your problem exactly? You are th
at the
> truth was not broadly understood about the technical details and so people
> piled onto flash because Jobs told them too.
>
> Thank you choir! :)
>
> David
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Stephane Beladaci (Flexengineer)"
> To: dev@flex.a
ladaci (Flexengineer)"
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
Ok let's step back and have a look at this. First of all, I walked in a bit
too strong to begin with, that was on January 17th. I a
e conversation.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:37 PM, wrote:
> > > > > I really think Stephane makes some great points. It's a good idea
> > > though
> > > > to keep things constructive and on topic in regards to Flex too as
> Erik
> >
d a few times, what I've been pondering is possibly trying to cross
> > > compile one of the browser sources to as3. That way we could leverage
> all
> > > of the good things about the web standards within a flex or air app.
> Some
> > > of the built in HTML vi
I agree with Erik on that note.
As a PMC member, I do not have have any problems with adiscussion of
creating an open source Flash Player on this dev list. However, I don't
think this thread has been about in quite a while.
On 2/26/2015 2:44 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
[...] So what it is, a
Guys, guys, please play nice. In the end I think we all want the same thing.
aYo
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From: Erik de Bruin
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:44 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
>
> [...] So what it is, am I an obstacle to the Apache Foundation gra
Hi Stephane,
Erik is simply asking for things to stay on topic. I agree. Most of us have
been quiet, because we don’t have much to say on the topic.
While futuristic predictions of technology might be interesting, they are very
much OT.
If you have things to discuss which are productive and ca
>
> [...] So what it is, am I an obstacle to the Apache Foundation grand plan
> to hijack Flex to JS?
Basically, my 'problem' is unfounded, incendiary and frankly paranoid
statements like the one above. As a guest on this Apache forum, why would
you say something like that and then expect not to
: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:33 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Stephane Beladaci (Flexengineer) <
adobeflexengin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Erik,
>
> What is your problem exactly? Yo
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Stephane Beladaci (Flexengineer) <
adobeflexengin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Erik,
>
> What is your problem exactly? You are the only one complaining, the
> discussion is actually picking up, several participants reminded you that
> this discussion has its place here.
Erik,
What is your problem exactly? You are the only one complaining, the
discussion is actually picking up, several participants reminded you that
this discussion has its place here. So what it is, am I an obstacle to the
Apache Foundation grand plan to hijack Flex to JS? Or is it just that you
d
I would say it is the topic Flash V.S. JS, it will never end until we split
into two groups where people can have their own belief.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> Stephane,
>
> Between Ray Kurzweil and Larry Flint you've gone off topic far and long
> enough. I don't see
Stephane,
Between Ray Kurzweil and Larry Flint you've gone off topic far and long
enough. I don't see how reiterating the same 'industry observations' over
and over will bring your suggested "The Player" product any closer.
This forum is dedicated to discussions about issues related to the
develo
Yeah, well when I told Larry Flynt in 2001 that some new social media
was going to take the porn industry down he kinda laugh at me. Until
the 2007 crash, the first time it ever happened (technology taking a
25% to 50% bite on their market that is, instead of the other way
around with every new tec
With the own respect, Stephane, sometimes reading your comments I find you
dreaming and dreaming, but not on earth...
2015-02-26 5:09 GMT-03:00 Stephane Beladaci :
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Carlos Velasco <
> carlos.velasco.bla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What I was trying to point is: Fl
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Carlos Velasco <
carlos.velasco.bla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What I was trying to point is: Flash Player is not an Adobe's bussiness
> core tool right now, and depending absolutely from a company which is not
> investing hard on it is the way to certain death, maybe
The LORD will give strength unto his people; the LORD will bless his people
with peace.
I will say the prayers for you.
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-Original Message-
From: Stephane Beladaci
To: dev
Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
Oops, wrong link... here it is, Top tech CEOs advocate Flash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CwI227m-
Oops, wrong link... here it is, Top tech CEOs advocate Flash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CwI227m-hs
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Stephane Beladaci
wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:07 AM, wrote:
>> Keep in mind though that Adobe is still investing in flash and air. They are
>> jus
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:07 AM, wrote:
> Keep in mind though that Adobe is still investing in flash and air. They are
> just focused on gaming.
I agree, this is one of the strategic moves I applauded Adobe for.
There are very specific strategic interest in this focus on gaming:
1/ it keeps t
Actually there are new statistics released by Adobe, and some more
that are coming up in a few days as part of an official update of the
Flash roadmap. Check my note and you will realize that if someone has
to catch up, it is neither Adobe more the Flash developer, not even
AS3. Go find 2.5 billion
From: Carlos Velasco
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
What I was trying to point is: Flash Player is not an Adobe's bussiness
core tool right now, and depending absolutely from a company which is
I don't agree you Gary. If you have a soccer team to fight the Champions
League every year, and by the way possibly win 2-3 cups every year too...
Staying alive at the bottom of the first division is not to be doing it
very well.
I think they really don't know or value what they have at their hand
I think Adobe is doing very well working on Flash Platform, even bullied by
Apple all the way down here:
https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/release-note/fp_16_air_16_release_notes.html
The problem however, there are not enough applications based on Flash
Platform can convince the majority that
What I was trying to point is: Flash Player is not an Adobe's bussiness
core tool right now, and depending absolutely from a company which is not
investing hard on it is the way to certain death, maybe not today, not
tomorrow, let's see in a couple of years.
Open sourcing the player is their decis
1) System like Flash can't be done by opensource community, and every
system comes to this complex, will have the same problem, HTML/JavaScript
do much worse, because they have more debt to pay off, for example,
websites made in 1999.
2) Every big bully wants to have there own environment, develope
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Angelo Anolin wrote:
> With most enterprise (MS on .NET, Google on Angular, Facebook on React), I
> think it should just follow that Adobe perhaps start the process of having
> Flash open sourced so that all possible enhancements and security patches
> it needs can
I meant Flex 2 (not 1.5), AS3 was developed for the purpose of
supporting Flex 2 and was released as beta for that purpose. A year or
two later, AS3 become available for timeline based Flash animation.
This marked the clear distinction between Flash prior to
AS3/Flex/Flash Player 9 and after. Jobs
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Carlos Velasco
wrote:
> I think the flex framework and universe needs to pass a rebranding process
> to separate itself from the Adobe products past and future destiny. I mean,
> it is no more an Adobe product, but a new one with its own lifecycle... So,
> moving t
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Carlos Velasco
wrote:
> I think the flex framework and universe needs to pass a rebranding process
> to separate itself from the Adobe products past and future destiny. I mean,
> it is no more an Adobe product, but a new one with its own lifecycle... So,
> moving t
age all
> > of the good things about the web standards within a flex or air app. Some
> > of the built in HTML views have a lot of limitations so this might allow
> > for reusing a lit of the existing code out there, or combining project
> > assets into a single codebase.
&
as
> of yet.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stephane Beladaci
> > To: dev
> > Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 1:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
> >
gt;
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephane Beladaci
> To: dev
> Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
>
> I understand the possible distraction from the objective of the
> mailing lis
ng project assets into a single codebase.
I've done some initial work on it but don't have anything completed as of yet.
David
-Original Message-
From: Stephane Beladaci
To: dev
Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent
this could allow all of that content to
>>> be played on iPads or etc then I'm sure it would help out.
>>>
>>> No one seems to care about all the other proprietary runtimes out there, or
>>> Apple's closed environment, or Android or anything else b
ink there have been a bunch of swf players
>> out there for years right? But if this could allow all of that content to be
>> played on iPads or etc then I'm sure it would help out.
>>
>> No one seems to care about all the other proprietary runtimes out there, or
>> Appl
t;
> No one seems to care about all the other proprietary runtimes out there, or
> Apple's closed environment, or Android or anything else being closed in
> varying forms, or that whole Mozilla DRM plugin or etc.
>
> David
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Fro
:) ya I know, I'm just saying Flash always seems to get extra scrutinized
> unfairly when it shouldn't really matter.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Chiverton
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: "T
:) ya I know, I'm just saying Flash always seems to get extra scrutinized
unfairly when it shouldn't really matter.
-Original Message-
From: Tom Chiverton
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent
On 17/02/15 15:49, f...@dfguy.us wrote:
No one seems to care about all the other proprietary runtimes out there, or
Apple's closed environment, or Android or anything else being closed in varying
forms, or that whole Mozilla DRM plugin or etc.
I do !
It's why organisations like GNU, EFF, Free
whole Mozilla DRM plugin or etc.
David
-Original Message-
From: Tom Chiverton
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
I think The Register's angle is the Adobe implementation of the Flash
runt
I think The Register's angle is the Adobe implementation of the Flash
runtime is bad and full of security issues.
In theory Shumay runs in the JavaScript sandbox, so inherits all the
protections and 'many eyes' of previous work on securing it.
When was the last time there was a off-by-one arbit
plementation?
David
-Original Message-
From: Tom Chiverton
To: dev@flex.apache.org, adobeflexengin...@gmail.com
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
On 17/01/15 23:46, Stephane Beladaci wrote:
> I am preparing to make a
On 17/01/15 23:46, Stephane Beladaci wrote:
I am preparing to make a case for the development of a new independent
Flash Player for desktop and mobile browsers. I
Did you contact the team at Mozilla working on this ?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/16/mozillas_flashkiller_shumay_appears_in_
s
>> surprising.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Fréderic Cox"
>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 9:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
#x27;s
> surprising.
>
> David
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Fréderic Cox"
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
>
> That is a great document Jude
>
&
Flash, that's surprising.
David
-Original Message-
From: "Fréderic Cox"
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
That is a great document Jude
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:54 AM, jude wro
That is a great document Jude
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:54 AM, jude wrote:
> I came across some more misinformation and decided to keep a document of
> rebuttals and other info to refer back to when attempting to educate
> people. I've posted it here,
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UYbS1
I came across some more misinformation and decided to keep a document of
rebuttals and other info to refer back to when attempting to educate
people. I've posted it here,
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UYbS1t6FInwqC1luYceYLzXDnQJe3L0DSQFi7KlIa5g/edit?usp=docslist_api
I'm trying to keep it unb
>
> This is not an official Adobe answer as I am not and have never been on
> the player team, plus Adobe has a policy of not releasing staffing
> numbers.
Noted, and agreed... that is why I am getting those number using other
methods :)
> Nick may have been right at one point in time when ther
>
> Things don't often go that way with software development, more people
> doesn't necessarily mean less time, there are tasks that cannot be done in
> parallel or by more than one person. Also, there are certain things in
> development where automatic testing is not 100% possible or worth the tim
Hi Nicolas,
Thanks for the insight on the team composition. I have a few questions or
answers below. Feel free to reach out directly if you prefer, my email is
steph...@beladaci.com. I think the discussion is very relevant to Flex but
it seems to annoy some people. Also for the record, I keep my s
Well said Carlos.
-Original Message-
From: Carlos Velasco [mailto:carlos.velasco.bla...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:41 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
Let me say a couple of things:
- First, n
This is not an official Adobe answer as I am not and have never been on
the player team, plus Adobe has a policy of not releasing staffing
numbers. Nick may have been right at one point in time when there was no
Adobe AIR and the Player only had to work on Mac and Windows without GPUs,
but OTOH, I
>
> So, I understand based on Hector's feedback that it is not trivial and
> might take years. I did not expect it to be trivial, but we surely do not
> have years. What we could have is 4000 developers working on it. We could
> spend 6 months working with the best scientists in education to develo
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Stephane Beladaci <
adobeflexengin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Meantime, do someone know
>
> 1/ how many developers were working on the Flash player at the peak of the
> engineering team in term of size? In other words, what was the maximum
> number of tech workers wo
There are a lot of high skilled people working on this project. Please show
them a bit of respect and stop wasting their time with this kind of talk.
I don't want to interfere with what you have to say, but I strongly oppose to
the way you say it.
Find yourself someone to help you and stay of
> Pick your side wisely, because I will keep you accountable for your choices
> and the way you dealt with me today.
A personal threat? Really? On a public mailing list, no less.
Good luck finding people who will work with you if that is the way you
deal with the ones that have the audacity not t
Let me say a couple of things:
- First, no need for hates / haters here. If Erik is so concerned in
getting FLEX into JS world, though I think it is not the best place to go,
why shouldn't he go that path and what gives you the chance to talk him
that way?.
- Second, I think you Stephane lost man
I hope you do realize you are the only one opposing the discussion I
started and your second agenda is so grossly driving the way you handle
this, I am actually embarrassed for you.
Pick your side wisely, because I will keep you accountable for your choices
and the way you dealt with me today. I h
Alright Erik, thank you for confirming my concern regarding the fact that
Apache is no longer a good match for Flex. I started feel your change of
direction already a while ago.
Good luck killing Flex with JS.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:09 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> >> Now, since this forum is
>> Now, since this forum is dedicated to the development of Apache Flex,
>> can you maybe come to the point and discuss development related
>> issues?
>
> I take your point, but I can't think of a better forum to have this
> discussion on that we could suggest it be moved to.
One of these come to
On 20/01/15 07:07, Erik de Bruin wrote:
Now, since this forum is dedicated to the development of Apache Flex,
can you maybe come to the point and discuss development related
issues?
I take your point, but I can't think of a better forum to have this
discussion on that we could suggest it be move
So, I understand based on Hector's feedback that it is not trivial and
might take years. I did not expect it to be trivial, but we surely do not
have years. What we could have is 4000 developers working on it. We could
spend 6 months working with the best scientists in education to develop
specific
If the discussion is not about what I cannot do, but rather what I can and
how yes I would love to.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> > What we need is an independent Flash player.
>
> OK. You have made your case, and then some.
>
> Now, since this forum is dedicated to th
> What we need is an independent Flash player.
OK. You have made your case, and then some.
Now, since this forum is dedicated to the development of Apache Flex,
can you maybe come to the point and discuss development related
issues?
Thanks,
EdB
--
Ix Multimedia Software
Jan Luykenstraat 27
@Jeffry, I do not think anyone in the company outside of the board had
anything to do with killing the player on Android. It was making no sense
for a good reason, there was no sense for it. I am making a case for the
very credible possibility that the whole thing has been a conspiracy
between Adob
Hector, you just point to another major issue with open source software,
One day down the road, in two weeks, two months or two years that guy and
his buddies who started the project walk out.The project cannot be pushed
forward by a distributed community and its contribution based on per hour
free
@Tom, I see your point and anticipate many others. We have the choice to be
part of the problem or the solution. Let's say there is a show blocker, a
piece of proprietary technology that we cannot engineer ourselves. I have
two answer to that. First, I see a huge PR campaign to tell the world "see,
On 1/19/2015 3:45 AM, jude wrote:
I'm also very upset at Adobe
CEO and the Adobe evangelists who made the decision for millions of
developers to remove Flash from Android (and slow Flash development
tremendously)
In fairness; I do not think Adobe Evangelists were involved in the
decision in a
On 19/01/15 09:52, Héctor A wrote:
I didn't mention Gnash because in some areas it seems to be behind
Lightspark and it seems development on it stopped years ago.
Yes, that was my point :-)
LightSpark doesn't look that active either.
But good luck !
Tom
I didn't mention Gnash because in some areas it seems to be behind
Lightspark and it seems development on it stopped years ago.
2015年1月19日月曜日、Tom Chiverton>さんは書きました:
> I wish you well, but the idea has been tried a number of times before, and
> because it wasn't able to use the Adobe Flash hardwa
I wish you well, but the idea has been tried a number of times before,
and because it wasn't able to use the Adobe Flash hardware abstraction
layer to access accelerated / battery optimised decode and display,
never mind video DRM, they tended to top out around compatibility with
Flash Player v
+1 I have been very angry about it as well. I'm also very upset at Adobe
CEO and the Adobe evangelists who made the decision for millions of
developers to remove Flash from Android (and slow Flash development
tremendously). They didn't consult the community of developers, businesses
and startups wh
@Carlos, I think we have to be careful with the open source term. I think
the independent aspect is the key, as like I said earlier in the
conversation the small piece of the Flash platform that is proprietary is
the very reason why browser vendors have not be able to cripple Flash, have
not been a
I've always said that having an open source virtual machine to stand FLEX
is the good way forward, so... At least interested in knowing more about
the project.
2015-01-18 14:39 GMT-03:00 Erik de Bruin :
> I applaud any new Open Source initiatives, and I think you are right
> to use this forum to
I applaud any new Open Source initiatives, and I think you are right
to use this forum to look for people willing to help you out. The Flex
community would greatly benefit from an Open Source player able to
playback SWF files.
I do however ask you to mind your language and temper the emotional
con
We would leverage and use the full extend of the open sources components of
the Flash Platform, and build the proprietary part of the player. It is
actually the key, without it it would be merely the same as open standards
and would fail for the same reasons HTML5 did. In order to run innovation
in
Well, even if you are fully aware of it, I'll just say that what you are
looking to make isn't something trivial, years of work. Maybe the best
option would be to use LightSpark as the starting point. As for people to
work on it, I'd say that trying to contact anyone who contributes or
contributed
Hi Flexers,
I am preparing to make a case for the development of a new independent
Flash Player for desktop and mobile browsers. I am presently working on
identifying the best candidates for what would be a dream team to develop a
complete Flash player with the same features and capabilities as Fl
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