Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Frank, Thanks for the response, but I find that idea more creative and less clear. I don't know if there is a good answer here. I suppose another solution would be to say if you're in 1.3, all 1.3 libraries are compatible; any feature that requires more than one dependency to upgrade in tandem, mu

Re: [VOTE] Struts Shale v1.0.1 Quality

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Re: [VOTE] Struts Shale v1.0.1 Quality

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Re: [VOTE] Struts Shale v1.0.1 Quality

On 3/20/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sorry for the late response and the bad news ... -1 on this because the > > sql-browser sample is not included in the shale-framework-1.0.1 artifact, > > and running "ant download-dependencies release" therefore fails to execute > > corr

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Wendy, that's what I needed to hear. So far, I haven't heard any -1 > type objections, so I'll take your advice > and try the reorg on that other svn site. > > When I have it working correctly, I suppose I'll call for the vote. This > wo

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Paul Benedict wrote: > Agreed. How does anyone feel about this philosophy, which I see > can solve this problem: On any GA release of a subproject, the version > number of Struts is incremented, and all the jars are upgraded to the > next version number? The biggest benefit is that a struts-1.3.5.

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Re: [VOTE] Struts Shale v1.0.1 Quality

On 3/20/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 3/19/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 3/19/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Once you have had a chance to review this test build, please respond > > > with a vote on its quality: > > > > > > [X]

svn commit: r387384 - /struts/shale/trunk/build.xml

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Re: [VOTE] Struts Shale v1.0.1 Quality

On 3/19/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/19/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Once you have had a chance to review this test build, please respond > > with a vote on its quality: > > > > [X] Alpha > > [ ] Beta > > [ ] General Availability (GA) > > My vote is for Alph

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Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

>> Throw in several jars each with several versions each, and a user >> wanting to upgrade just enough to get one specific feature, but not to >> all the newest jars, and you can understand where the confusion can >> come from. Agreed. How does anyone feel about this philosophy, which I see can so

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Looking at iBatis JPetStore right now. I am curious, were BeanAction and ActionContext ever suggested to Struts trunk? They seem unneeded in 1.3 version, but 1.2.x could (can?) benefit from these classes. Javadoc dates BeanAction with March 2004, that is two years ago, when 1.3 was just taking sh

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Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we are seeing based on previous activity that the new > subprojects didn't facilitate easier releases and more activity, but rather > complicated our > build and release processes. I don't have a problem with anything anyone wants to do h

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Nathan Bubna wrote: heh. who ever heard of a quick Struts release? now you're just talking nonsense. ;-) but seriously, this is totally unrealistic. the different projects will overlap in their various states of readiness/buginess and the next GA release of any of it must wait until all of i

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > compatibility is not that difficult to maintain in reality. > > for project developers there are just 3 simple rules to follow: > - no point release (1.3.1 to 1.3.2) should ever break a working, > outward facing API > - all minor versions (1.3

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Paul Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do see benefit in having the struts-taglibs (and actions) being their > own release because there are some very minor enhancements > that don't really require a new action framework release. > For instance, Struts 1.2.5 added the errorStyle a

Re: Applying Annotations to Struts (Re: [OT] What can I do?)

Believe it or not, Beehive (http://beehive.apache.org) has been applying Java 5 annotations to Struts 1.1 / 1.2 for a couple of years. So, there's another existence proof that this is possible and can even make things easier. :) We've done this in a sub-project of Beehive called NetUI. Cert

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Craig McClanahan wrote: I've looked at DWR some, but the guys here that did the initial research on AJAX frameworks liked DOJO better. Doesn't mean DWR is in any way "bad", mind you ... just that we chose differently. Interestingly, I'll be playing with Dojo all this week :) At a 30,000 foot

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

I do see benefit in having the struts-taglibs (and actions) being their own release because there are some very minor enhancements that don't really require a new action framework release. For instance, Struts 1.2.5 added the errorStyle and errorStyleClass attributes, which probably could have bee

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nathan Bubna wrote: > > there have been VelocityStruts users eager for the Struts tags to be > > separated from the core for a long time. there's plenty of people > > using Struts without the tags. > > I didn't know that, thanks for pointi

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Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > Common in the future? That's the plan ... it's especially designed for > > folks who want to create the server side of AJAX interactions, plus > people > > who want to write AJAX-enabled components. The power

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Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Nathan Bubna wrote: there have been VelocityStruts users eager for the Struts tags to be separated from the core for a long time. there's plenty of people using Struts without the tags. I didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out. Do the tags being there hinder those users in any way thou

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Craig McClanahan wrote: Common in the future? That's the plan ... it's especially designed for folks who want to create the server side of AJAX interactions, plus people who want to write AJAX-enabled components. The power of expression evaluation, plus the "basic dependency injection" capabili

Re: Applying Annotations to Struts (Re: [OT] What can I do?)

From a workload point of view it wouldn't have made sense for me to go down the Java 1.4 annotations route to begin with. What would now make it quite difficult to do ex-post is because other Java 5 features are used in lots of places (e.g. lots of for ... loops), generics, etc - I pretty muc

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > For Shale, at least, I would *not* advocate eliminating separate JAR files. > > There are optional features of Shale that themselves have their own > > dependencies, and it would be a burden on all Shale users if

Re: Applying Annotations to Struts (Re: [OT] What can I do?)

Joe Germuska wrote: I haven't had a chance to look at Phil's work yet, but would just point out that it's possible to use annotations without requiring Java 5. That may not be an itch Phil wants to scratch, but worth keeping in mind unless there are other aspects which also require Java 5. I

Re: [OT] What can I do?

I'll definitely take a look at this - should be possible to have consistency with the annotations as long as they are covering the same use cases. Phil Don Brown wrote: Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the WebWork guys have been doing something similar: http://www.opensymphony

Re: [OT] What can I do?

It will be very shortly. I am waiting for the project approval to go through on java.net, which will hopefully be pretty quick. I'll make an announcement then. I haven't made any announcements on the user mailing list. I'll do so when I've got the source (and a binary) ready on Java.net. Phi

Applying Annotations to Struts (Re: [OT] What can I do?)

At 9:15 AM -0800 3/20/06, Craig McClanahan wrote: On 3/20/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ted, In response to your comment: "The original Struts Action codebase suffers from design deficiencies that would take some effort to remedy." This may be true, but I don't believe that i

Re: [OT] What can I do?

On 3/20/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the WebWork guys have been > doing something similar: > http://www.opensymphony.com/webwork/wikidocs/J2SE%205%20Support.html > > It'd be nice if we could come up with a common set of annotations shared >

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You know, I was looking at the Struts front page a few minutes ago, > >> specifically the "Extensions", which are the seven dwarfs IIRC. The > one

Re: [OT] What can I do?

Is Strecks open to the public, now? There was the advance notice on dev@, but has there been an announcemen to user@ yet? -Ted. On 3/20/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ted, > > In response to your comment: > > "The original Struts Action codebase suffers from design deficiencies > tha

Re: [OT] What can I do?

On 3/20/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/20/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ted, > > > > In response to your comment: > > > > "The original Struts Action codebase suffers from design deficiencies > > that would take some effort to remedy." > > > > This may be

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Craig McClanahan wrote: On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You know, I was looking at the Struts front page a few minutes ago, specifically the "Extensions", which are the seven dwarfs IIRC. The one that sticks out for me as a "problem", if that's the right word, is the JS

Re: [OT] What can I do?

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the WebWork guys have been doing something similar: http://www.opensymphony.com/webwork/wikidocs/J2SE%205%20Support.html It'd be nice if we could come up with a common set of annotations shared by both Action 1 and 2 (possibly Shale) along the lines of

Re: [OT] What can I do?

On 3/20/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ted, > > In response to your comment: > > "The original Struts Action codebase suffers from design deficiencies > that would take some effort to remedy." > > This may be true, but I don't believe that it is a completely lost cause. > The work tha

Re: [OT] What can I do?

Excellent, thank you Craig! Frank Craig McClanahan wrote: On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That all sounds good Ted, thanks for writing this! Just to be clear, *anyone* can write such a proposal and call for a vote, it doesn't have to be a committer or PMC member, corr

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You know, I was looking at the Struts front page a few minutes ago, > specifically the "Extensions", which are the seven dwarfs IIRC. The one > that sticks out for me as a "problem", if that's the right word, is the > JSP Taglib. I sus

Re: [OT] What can I do?

Ted, In response to your comment: "The original Struts Action codebase suffers from design deficiencies that would take some effort to remedy." This may be true, but I don't believe that it is a completely lost cause. The work that I have been doing with Struts Java 5 extensions proves (to me a

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Craig McClanahan wrote: In the Struts 1.x world, the same kind of argument applies to struts-el.jar(only needed if you are on a < JSP 2.0 platform) and struts-faces.jar (only needed if you are using JSF components in a Struts based application). +1 As I mentioned, I'm proposing each extension

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Thanks Wendy, that's what I needed to hear. So far, I haven't heard any -1 type objections, so I'll take your advice and try the reorg on that other svn site. When I have it working correctly, I suppose I'll call for the vote. This would be a significant change, and honestly, I thought there'

Re: [OT] What can I do?

On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That all sounds good Ted, thanks for writing this! Just to be clear, > *anyone* can write such a proposal and call for a vote, it doesn't have > to be a committer or PMC member, correct? I understand only those > people can cast binding

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

Craig McClanahan wrote: For Shale, at least, I would *not* advocate eliminating separate JAR files. There are optional features of Shale that themselves have their own dependencies, and it would be a burden on all Shale users if everything was combined into one JAR file. As Ted mentioned earlier

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/20/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this proposal more or > less do away with the idea of offering finer grained jar files? I think the separate jars are still a good idea, so that developers can choose what they want to inclu

Re: [Proposal] Consolidate extras, EL, taglibs, and faces under 'action' (was Maven groupId and svn repo structure)

On 3/19/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > I can certainly buy into release consolidation along these four > paths. That > > being said, separating the source artifacts (and the binary jar files > that > > result from them) is still useful in terms of

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Re: [OT] What can I do?

That all sounds good Ted, thanks for writing this! Just to be clear, *anyone* can write such a proposal and call for a vote, it doesn't have to be a committer or PMC member, correct? I understand only those people can cast binding votes (which would be ironic: the proposal writer couldn't cas

Re: [OT] What can I do?

What is the basis for saying "[b]oth ASF and Apache Struts are standard-bearers"? What does this mean and what is the import, for both ASF and Apache Struts, separately? This is not a challenge or anything like that but a sincere request for clarification. What is a "standard-bearer". Are you sa

[OT] What can I do?

In the midst of a recent mosh-pit thread, someone asked "What can I do to change the direction of the Apache Struts project?" The answer would be to summarize the concerns raised in the thread and create a coherent proposal that lays out another course. (An obvious place to do that would be the A