Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-05-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Just read through it (slowly catching up with e-mails, sorry for all struts related delays). Looks good to me and the clean up of the website will be a great step forwards. I always found it very confusing Cheers! On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > I have added a point about

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-05-25 Thread Lukasz Lenart
I have added a point about Website cleanup with some explanation: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WW/Struts+Next I thought we will be able to start with plan soon but right now the main obstacle are recently discovered security vulnerabilities :\ Anyway, the plan is still valid :-)

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-05-16 Thread Lukasz Lenart
The plan updated again :-) https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WW/Struts+Next Anyway I would like to stabilise the current 2.3.x branch, solve security issue in pipeline and then start with the plan :-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ 2013/4/26 Lukasz Lenar

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-26 Thread Ganesh Babu
Even I like the package structure . I vote for it Sent from My Blackberry® @ Tata Docomo -Original Message- From: Lukasz Lenart Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:06:43 To: Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 2013/4/18 Paul Benedict : > I know it's a bit contentious, but I would really

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-26 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/4/18 Paul Benedict : > I know it's a bit contentious, but I would really like the package name to > be org.apache.struts3 so that people migrate from struts 1 progressively. i > am actually in the process of doing this now with struts 2.3 (1000 some > actions) and it's a life-saver. It will ta

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-18 Thread Paul Benedict
> Remove deprecated APIs > Switch to Java 1.6 > Rename XWork packages to org.apache.struts.xwork > Prepare the first release > > Plan for Struts 3: > Rename Struts 2 packages to org.apache.struts > > >

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-18 Thread Lukasz Lenart
Good point! Plan for Struts 2.5: Request Git repo from INFRA Import project Remove deprecated plugins Drop support for Struts 1 (remove plugin) Remove deprecated APIs Switch to Java 1.6 Prepare the first release Plan for Struts 3: Rename XWork packages to org.apache.struts.xwork Rename Struts 2

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-18 Thread Rene Gielen
> Rename XWork packages to org.apache.struts.xwork > Prepare the first release > > Plan for Struts 3: > Rename Struts 2 packages to org.apache.struts What is the added value to expect Struts users to go through the pain of package renaming two times within a foreseeable time period? How about this big

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-18 Thread i...@flyingfischer.ch
Rename XWork packages to org.apache.struts.xwork Prepare the first release Plan for Struts 3: Rename Struts 2 packages to org.apache.struts Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-17 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/4/18 Johannes Geppert : > Hi, > >> Switch to Java 1.6 > when starting a new major release why not start with Java 7? > I mean Java 6 is already in the end of life cycle. :-) Good question :-) But I think there are users which migrated to Java 6 already and they don't have a plans to migrate t

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-17 Thread i...@flyingfischer.ch
plan :D Plan for Struts 2.5: Request Git repo from INFRA Import project Remove deprecated plugins Drop support for Struts 1 (remove plugin) Remove deprecated APIs Switch to Java 1.6 Rename XWork packages to org.apache.struts.xwork Prepare the first release Plan for Struts 3: Rename Struts 2

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-17 Thread Konstantin Priblouda
: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 Hi, > Switch to Java 1.6 when starting a new major release why not start with Java 7? I mean Java 6 is already in the end of life cycle. :-) Johannes # web: http://www.jgeppert.

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-17 Thread Johannes Geppert
> A new plan :D > > Plan for Struts 2.5: > Request Git repo from INFRA > Import project > Remove deprecated plugins > Drop support for Struts 1 (remove plugin) > Remove deprecated APIs > Switch to Java 1.6 > Rename XWork packages to org.apache.struts.xwork > Pr

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-04-17 Thread Lukasz Lenart
A new plan :D Plan for Struts 2.5: Request Git repo from INFRA Import project Remove deprecated plugins Drop support for Struts 1 (remove plugin) Remove deprecated APIs Switch to Java 1.6 Rename XWork packages to org.apache.struts.xwork Prepare the first release Plan for Struts 3: Rename Struts

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/3/19 Rene Gielen : > +1 for removing anything deprecated and unmaintained Argh ... but can it be version 2.4.x/2.5.x? Or should we wait till 3.x ? ;-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ - To unsu

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Rene Gielen
+1 for removing anything deprecated and unmaintained Am 18.03.13 15:04, schrieb Paul Benedict: > Yes, S3 should be a clean break from anything deprecated. Remove anything > no longer supported. > > Paul > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/3/18 Paul Benedict : > Oh, I see what you mean. Sure, why support something you already have a > replacement for? Just take it out of the build and move them to an "extras" > distribution for others to get -- they should no longer come as part of the > standard distribution. Good point, extra

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Paul Benedict
Oh, I see what you mean. Sure, why support something you already have a replacement for? Just take it out of the build and move them to an "extras" distribution for others to get -- they should no longer come as part of the standard distribution. BTW... Right now, the plugins are part of S2 releas

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/3/18 Paul Benedict : > Ah, that wouldn't be nice to Struts 2 users :-) Just let Struts 2 be as it > is. Perhaps add notes to the documentation and call it quits for those > plugins. Yes I know, but with S2 versioning policy in place it should be already S4. What I mean is that the plugin will

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Paul Benedict
Ah, that wouldn't be nice to Struts 2 users :-) Just let Struts 2 be as it is. Perhaps add notes to the documentation and call it quits for those plugins. Paul On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > 2013/3/18 Paul Benedict : > > Yes, S3 should be a clean break from anything depr

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/3/18 Paul Benedict : > Yes, S3 should be a clean break from anything deprecated. Remove anything > no longer supported. But I would like to do it before we start with S3, to be precise :-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ ---

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Dave Newton
+1 On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Paul Benedict wrote: > Yes, S3 should be a clean break from anything deprecated. Remove anything > no longer supported. > > Paul > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier >wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Lukasz Lenart > > wrote:

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Paul Benedict
Yes, S3 should be a clean break from anything deprecated. Remove anything no longer supported. Paul On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Lukasz Lenart > wrote: > > As S1 is going to be emeritus soon, what do you think about removing > >

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > As S1 is going to be emeritus soon, what do you think about removing > the Struts 1 plugin from Struts 2? Also we could remove other > deprecated plugins like Dojo, Zero Configuration and JSF? +1 It was yesterday when I was looking at them

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-18 Thread Lukasz Lenart
As S1 is going to be emeritus soon, what do you think about removing the Struts 1 plugin from Struts 2? Also we could remove other deprecated plugins like Dojo, Zero Configuration and JSF? Thus would be covered in 2.4.x release and with cleaned a bit code base we could switch to Git and start work

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-06 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/3/6 Paul Benedict : > Sorry, new STRUTS JIRA project. Exactly :-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: d

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-06 Thread Paul Benedict
Sorry, new STRUTS JIRA project. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Paul Benedict wrote: > I wouldn't want to archive the old struts 1 ticket (i.e., hide them in > jira). But consider creating a new STRUTS JIRA ticket for 3 and forward, > keep WW for 2.x, and STR 1.x > > Paul > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 20

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-06 Thread Paul Benedict
I wouldn't want to archive the old struts 1 ticket (i.e., hide them in jira). But consider creating a new STRUTS JIRA ticket for 3 and forward, keep WW for 2.x, and STR 1.x Paul On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > 2013/3/5 René Gielen : > > The most important steps are to publ

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-06 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/3/5 René Gielen : > The most important steps are to publicly announce EOL and mark resources as > attic. Yes, we should say that this is the end and go forward. Basically I would like to have just one project - Struts - as the website, in JIRA, as a Twitter tag and so on. I think there is no

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-06 Thread Brian Holzer
Fair enough, I'm hopeful as well that the docs will still be available. I realize there hasn't been a release in ages, but I always assumed that if there was a security issue that it would be patched. If someone wants to migrate they could use some version of Struts2 2.? to slowly migrate piec

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread René Gielen
The most important steps are to publicly announce EOL and mark resources as attic. - René Paul Benedict schrieb: >That's good to know, Dave. I had some question on the meaning of >"support" >-- development, hosting, etc. If it's just stopping development, which >was >my hope, that's a fine c

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Paul Benedict
That's good to know, Dave. I had some question on the meaning of "support" -- development, hosting, etc. If it's just stopping development, which was my hope, that's a fine choice.. But since there isn't any on-going development of S1 anyway, stopping it is a benign task. :-) On Tue, Mar 5, 20

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Dave Newton
I don't think anybody was talking about removing all traces of it, just making the lack of support official. Dave

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Paul Benedict
Coincidentally, there is an active vote going on in Maven land to desupport Maven 1. It won't be final until tomorrow, I believe, but it was gotten overwhelming votes. I don't think we need any announcement to desupport Struts 1. However, we shouldn't wipe Struts 1 off the site. Every company I've

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Wendy Smoak
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Brian Holzer wrote: > Hi all, >If you drop support for S1, what about those people still using S1? > I'm guessing there are a lot of them out there. I'd argue that it really hasn't been supported for some time now. I suppose if there were some horrible securit

Re: Drop Struts 1 Support? Was: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Rene Gielen
It seems to be quite obvious that we don't have enough volunteers willing to support Struts 1 in an effective way. As long as this does not change, we can't call Struts 1 a supported product any more. That said, I'm aware that there are a lot of people out there still using Struts 1. I think the c

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Dave Newton
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Brian Holzer wrote: >If you drop support for S1, what about those people still using S1? > I'm guessing there are a lot of them out there. > There are, but there are very, very few releases of S1 at this point, and few people with a need to upgrade past whateve

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/3/5 Don Brown : > All support for Struts 1 meant, afaik, is the ability to deploy > side-by-side. We used a different Java package to allow the code to > co-exist, however, the proposal as I understand it is to go back to > org.apache.struts Yes, just to have one package org.apache.struts an

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/3/5 Brian Holzer : > Hi all, >If you drop support for S1, what about those people still using S1? > I'm guessing there are a lot of them out there. Truly said, S1 is dead, I don't know how to prepare a release, I don't know the code base, there was no single commit since I have joined the

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/3/5 Paul Benedict : > Question on the fourth version point: I don't think the four points plays > all that nicely with maven. They are strictly 3 with anything else being a > lexicographic ordering. I know we created the 4th point for emergency patch > releases, but in practice, how is it any

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Don Brown
All support for Struts 1 meant, afaik, is the ability to deploy side-by-side. We used a different Java package to allow the code to co-exist, however, the proposal as I understand it is to go back to org.apache.struts Don On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Brian Holzer wrote: > Hi all, >If y

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Brian Holzer
Hi all, If you drop support for S1, what about those people still using S1? I'm guessing there are a lot of them out there. Brian >>> Lukasz Lenart 3/5/2013 2:22 PM >>> Hi, I have few additional thoughts about S3 and the future. First with should drop support of S1 and use simple Struts as

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Paul Benedict
I have no problem with dropping support for S1. :-) Question on the fourth version point: I don't think the four points plays all that nicely with maven. They are strictly 3 with anything else being a lexicographic ordering. I know we created the 4th point for emergency patch releases, but in prac

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2013-03-05 Thread Lukasz Lenart
Hi, I have few additional thoughts about S3 and the future. First with should drop support of S1 and use simple Struts as a project name - no more Struts2, Struts3, Struts4, ... Simple Struts and version 3.0.1, 4.1.0.1, etc. We should just keep support for one version back, so when we release 3.x,

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-12-19 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/12/19 : > By support for bean validation did you mean to provide it with core or by > some sort of plugin. Plugin is a better option as always :-) -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ - To unsubscribe, e-

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-12-19 Thread umeshawasthi
By support for bean validation did you mean to provide it with core or by some sort of plugin. Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Lukasz Lenart Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:28:09 To: Struts Developers List Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" Subject: Re

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-12-19 Thread Lukasz Lenart
This is already done with new filters https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/S2WIKI/Better+filter+strategy Regarding OSGi there is a plugin already which fills the requirements, but it seems to be not used, just one issues was requested as I remember https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/displa

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-17 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/12/6 Christian Grobmeier : > There are some minor things I found: > > - the develop branch needs to be used in CI. Not a big deal, but somehow we > need to tell it the CI Yes, you can - there is option branches to build > - what about feature branches? Should they all go remote? When are the

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-06 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Rene Gielen wrote: > great and comprehensive writeup. Which brings me to what is really good > about not being the first time mover - being able to profit from other's > experiences. > > Unfortunately I have not so much more experience with GIT :-| Well, I tried t

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-06 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/12/6 Rene Gielen : > For migrating current SVN repo content to Git, Infra prefers to > completely move an existing Git mirror repo. As I see it, we should > migrate struts2.git and arguably struts-sandbox.git and let the other > parts reside in SVN with Git morring only. I didn't think about

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-06 Thread Rene Gielen
Christian, great and comprehensive writeup. Which brings me to what is really good about not being the first time mover - being able to profit from other's experiences. A nice glance into some Git-related discussions over at Incubator: http://markmail.org/message/6f7l3fjksjeem6li Wicket has full

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-06 Thread Rene Gielen
This is an excellent question and part of the discussion I wanted to start (but wasn't able to follow up so far in the last busy days) Given that we decide for Git: As for me, it makes absolutely no sense to have a common origin codebase split up into two repositories. If we vote for developing S

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-06 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > 2012/12/6 Christian Grobmeier : >> Would be glad to look at your repos on github. >> >> One question: are we going to fix issues in Struts 2.x on SVN or are >> we going to have everything on GIT then? >> In the git-brnaching-model link I see

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-06 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/12/6 Christian Grobmeier : > Would be glad to look at your repos on github. > > One question: are we going to fix issues in Struts 2.x on SVN or are > we going to have everything on GIT then? > In the git-brnaching-model link I see one development branch. I think > we would need a develop2x, d

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-06 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > 2012/11/28 Dave Newton : >> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >>> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ >> >> https://github.com/nvie/gitflow >> >> Yeah, I like the workflow quite a bit, although I'

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-06 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/12/6 Lukasz Lenart : > The idea looks pretty nice, as we don't have a Git repo yet, I'm going > to fork struts2 on the GitHub and try to play a bit - especially with > release process Updated the plan with links about Git flow https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WW/Struts+3 Regards

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-12-06 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/28 Dave Newton : > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ > > https://github.com/nvie/gitflow > > Yeah, I like the workflow quite a bit, although I've only used it on a > couple of smallish projects. The idea l

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-29 Thread Umesh Awasthi
I was looking for this page from some time, since read about *Reworked localization* there Do any one have idea about it? Thanks Umesh On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Lukasz Lenart > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I found that [1], what d

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > Hi, > > I found that [1], what do think about the proposed proposals ? > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/S2WIKI/Proposals Definitely the OSGi thing would draw some attraction. I like this proposal. If users are not *forced

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-29 Thread Lukasz Lenart
Hi, I found that [1], what do think about the proposed proposals ? [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/S2WIKI/Proposals Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-un

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Christian Grobmeier
__ >> From: Rene Gielen >> To: Struts Developers List >> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:58 AM >> Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 >> >> Konstantin, >> >> you make a valid point that JSR 330 by itself is no solution to ou

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-11-28 Thread Dave Newton
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ https://github.com/nvie/gitflow Yeah, I like the workflow quite a bit, although I've only used it on a couple of smallish projects. Dave

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-11-28 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > 2012/11/28 Rene Gielen : >> Moving development to the Git infrastructure ASF / Infra now provides is >> *not* a no-brainer, and it requires a little bit more than just a few +1s :) >> >> Let's step back, hold breath, and dive into serious dis

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/28 Chris Pratt : > Would it be possible to write the internal code to use the JSR-330 API and > supply Guice as the default, rather than tying the system directly to > Guice? It seems like there would be an advantage to allowing the internal > and external injections to potentially share a

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/28 Dave Newton : > We'll always rely on external libraries--and as has been mentioned, > our core competency isn't DI frameworks, nor should it be. Always something new :-) > I'm not sure an XML config layer would be that difficult to build, but > even if it is, wouldn't it be preferable

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Chris Pratt
to change the internal DI facility -- which is working beautifully > -- > >> merely for the sake of changing seems to be an unnecessary risk. > >> > >> > >> My two cents. > >> > >> Jeff > >> > >> > >> _

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Dave Newton
We'll always rely on external libraries--and as has been mentioned, our core competency isn't DI frameworks, nor should it be. I'm not sure an XML config layer would be that difficult to build, but even if it is, wouldn't it be preferable to use a substantially more-mature DI implementation, which

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/28 Dave Newton : > IMO I'd rather see the internal mechanism be able to evolve and make use of > vetted improvements instead of remaining in the land of Guice of 5+ years > ago. Newer Guice has more capabilities. I thought (and still do) a lot about that and I'm not convinced to replace pr

Re: Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-11-28 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/28 Rene Gielen : > Moving development to the Git infrastructure ASF / Infra now provides is > *not* a no-brainer, and it requires a little bit more than just a few +1s :) > > Let's step back, hold breath, and dive into serious discussion about > that. I'm preparing a more detailed post, but

Git (Was: Plan for Struts 3)

2012-11-28 Thread Rene Gielen
Folks, I think right at this point we should fork discussion on methodology (Git) from new features as in the rest of this thread. Moving development to the Git infrastructure ASF / Infra now provides is *not* a no-brainer, and it requires a little bit more than just a few +1s :) Let's step back

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Rene Gielen
>> >>>> Perhaps I am too old and have been in the consulting business too long, >>>> but to change the internal DI facility -- which is working beautifully -- >>>> merely for the sake of changing seems to be an unnecessary risk. >>>> >>>> >

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Paul Benedict
> >>> >>> My two cents. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Rene Gielen >>> To: Struts Developers List >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:58 AM >>> Subjec

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Rene Gielen
ess too long, >> but to change the internal DI facility -- which is working beautifully -- >> merely for the sake of changing seems to be an unnecessary risk. >> >> >> My two cents. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> ________ >&g

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Dave Newton
: Rene Gielen > To: Struts Developers List > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:58 AM > Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 > > Konstantin, > > you make a valid point that JSR 330 by itself is no solution to our > problems with internal injection. As I tried to explain in another pos

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Jeff Black
: Struts Developers List Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:58 AM Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 Konstantin, you make a valid point that JSR 330 by itself is no solution to our problems with internal injection. As I tried to explain in another post to this thread, we have to differentiate between

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Rene Gielen
___ > From: Paul Benedict > To: Struts Developers List > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 > > Well I know that XWork had its only dependency injection support, but now > that Java has a standard dependen

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Rene Gielen
You have to differentiate between XWork's internal injection and the injection abstraction towards user code to support pluggable dependency injection implementations. The latter one we surely would not want to drop, and as a matter of fact we are already supporting JSR 330 with the Spring, Guice a

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Rene Gielen
'm with Dave when it comes >> to incorporating the version number in the package name. >> >> Just my two cents. >> >> >> >> ____________ >> From: Jeff Black >> To: Struts Devel

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-28 Thread Konstantin Priblouda
, 2012 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 Well I know that XWork had its only dependency injection support, but now that Java has a standard dependency injection mechanism, we should definitely go with that. Also it keeps on getting developed with each new EE so it's something we should su

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Paul Benedict
Well I know that XWork had its only dependency injection support, but now that Java has a standard dependency injection mechanism, we should definitely go with that. Also it keeps on getting developed with each new EE so it's something we should support as a first-class citizen. On Wed, Nov 28, 20

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/28 Paul Benedict : > What about dropping XWork injection support for JSR 330 (Commons DI)? You mean what we have now and use Guice as an internal DI mechanism ? Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Paul Benedict
What about dropping XWork injection support for JSR 330 (Commons DI)? On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > I've updated the plan :-) > > Request Git repo from INFRA > Import project > Remove deprecated plugins > Drop support for Struts 1 (remove plugin) > Remove deprecated API

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Lukasz Lenart
I've updated the plan :-) Request Git repo from INFRA Import project Remove deprecated plugins Drop support for Struts 1 (remove plugin) Remove deprecated APIs Switch to Java 1.6 Rename XWork packages to org.apache.struts.xwork Rename Struts 2 packages to org.apache.struts Prepare the first releas

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/28 Dave Newton : > Part of the question regarded org.apache.struts v. org.apache.struts2. > > I don't know how many (if any) conflicts there are. > > I'm not a fan of embedding version info in package names. I'd hate to > see org.apache.struts3, and IMO it'd be confusing to have Struts 3 >

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Dave Newton
he ability of Struts2 to work with previous >> Struts versions (Struts1) >> +1 for Matt >> >> Martin >> __________ >> Please do not alter or disrupt this transmission...Thank You >> > Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 >> > From: m...@raibledes

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Paul Benedict
rupt this transmission...Thank You > > Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 > > From: m...@raibledesigns.com > > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:59:51 -0700 > > To: dev@struts.apache.org; jeffrey.bl...@yahoo.com > > > > If it breaks backwards-compatibility, I'd suggest

RE: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Martin Gainty
You > Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 > From: m...@raibledesigns.com > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:59:51 -0700 > To: dev@struts.apache.org; jeffrey.bl...@yahoo.com > > If it breaks backwards-compatibility, I'd suggest not doing it. I've always > been impressed wi

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Matt Raible
Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 > > Is it really necessary to alter the package name? > > > > > From: Lukasz Lenart > To: Struts Developers List > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 5:35 AM >

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Jeff Black
50 PM Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 Is it really necessary to alter the package name? From: Lukasz Lenart To: Struts Developers List Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 2012/11/22 Dave Newton : > How useful is the Struts

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Jeff Black
Is it really necessary to alter the package name? From: Lukasz Lenart To: Struts Developers List Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Plan for Struts 3 2012/11/22 Dave Newton : > How useful is the Struts 1 plugin? It's mentio

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Paul Benedict
No, I support dropping the plugin. I was only echoing the previous point, which was the S1 plugin gives you very limited S1 reuse -- you get the actions but not the taglibs. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > 2012/11/27 Paul Benedict : > > Lukasz, you can... but the S1 plugin

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-27 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/27 Paul Benedict : > Lukasz, you can... but the S1 plugin allows people to forgo the S1 jar. You > don't gain much in terms of the presentation layer since you can't use the > S1 taglibs anymore, but the S1 action can still be called. So you mean we should keep support for S1 in S3 ? And u

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-26 Thread Paul Benedict
Lukasz, you can... but the S1 plugin allows people to forgo the S1 jar. You don't gain much in terms of the presentation layer since you can't use the S1 taglibs anymore, but the S1 action can still be called. Paul On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > 2012/11/26 Dave Newton :

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-26 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/26 Dave Newton : > I have no problem with that. (Obviously ;) > > IMO the S1 plugin was never anything more than a stopgap measure; > since JSPs had to be rewritten anyway it was more of a temporary > solution during migration. Really? I thought you can run S1 application with S2 just out

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-26 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/26 Ken McWilliams : > How hard would it be to "allow for" struts run time configuration? In > allowing for I mean having a registry for the configuration of interceptor > stacks, packages, actions... which the framework will allow for querying > and in the default case would be immutable bu

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-26 Thread Ken McWilliams
How hard would it be to "allow for" struts run time configuration? In allowing for I mean having a registry for the configuration of interceptor stacks, packages, actions... which the framework will allow for querying and in the default case would be immutable but would allow us to substitute in mu

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-26 Thread Dave Newton
I have no problem with that. (Obviously ;) IMO the S1 plugin was never anything more than a stopgap measure; since JSPs had to be rewritten anyway it was more of a temporary solution during migration. Dave On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > 2012/11/22 Lukasz Lenart : >> 201

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-26 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/22 Lukasz Lenart : > 2012/11/22 Dave Newton : >> How useful is the Struts 1 plugin? > > It's mentioned as a migration way for S1 projects, but we can drop > support for S1 in S3 Any thoughts? I'm almost sure that we should drop support for S1 in S3 and used org.apache.struts as a base pack

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-22 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2012/11/22 Dave Newton : > How useful is the Struts 1 plugin? It's mentioned as a migration way for S1 projects, but we can drop support for S1 in S3 Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ - To unsubscrib

Re: Plan for Struts 3

2012-11-22 Thread Dave Newton
How useful is the Struts 1 plugin? I'm not a big fan of the package name versioning. Dave (pardon brevity, typos, and top-quoting; on cell) On Nov 22, 2012 4:45 AM, "Lukasz Lenart" wrote: > 2012/11/22 Christian Grobmeier : > > Plugins would probably break. But they could break even when we sti

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