Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-07 Thread BCS
Hello Roman, I guess you and I have massively different opinions on this because I see it exactly the other way. Still, every time two or more people decide to answer to the same message, they inadvertently create new thread branches. The linear mode prevents each reply from becoming it's o

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-07 Thread Roman Ivanov
On 2/6/2010 10:33 PM, Walter Bright wrote: > Roman Ivanov wrote: >> In a tree-like forum, a discussion can be extended at any point, and the >> bigger the thread grows, the more points there are. It's more difficult >> to keep track of, and it's /much/ more difficult to see the "current" >> state o

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread BCS
Hello Roman, I disagree: Here is why. A linear thread extends only at one point - messages are added at the end. I see this as a down side. That is because having messages only added at the end means that the only information I get aside from the content is chronological order. I can't see

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Walter Bright
Roman Ivanov wrote: In a tree-like forum, a discussion can be extended at any point, and the bigger the thread grows, the more points there are. It's more difficult to keep track of, and it's /much/ more difficult to see the "current" state of an entire discussion that you haven't read from the s

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Roman Ivanov
On 2/6/2010 5:33 PM, Walter Bright wrote: > Yigal Chripun wrote: >> On 06/02/2010 23:42, Walter Bright wrote: >>> Yigal Chripun wrote: Walter, Please take a look at FUDForum. >>> >>> I did, thanks for the reference. I think reddit blows it away for user >>> interface. Fudforum has the usual pr

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Walter Bright
retard wrote: Any hacker can write a bot that posts spam on net. So they invented CAPTCHA. Agreed, there's spam on newsgroups, too. I guess the largest reason why these newsgroups have avoided all that is because Walter has his private nntp server and nntp isn't widely used anymore. We get sp

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread retard
Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:08:16 -0500, Roman Ivanov wrote: > On 2/5/2010 11:52 AM, retard wrote: >> The sad fact is that web forums are more or less a poor copy of the >> good old usenet newsgroups. The new format requires more bandwidth and >> server capacity > > That's a questionable statement. Yes,

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
retard wrote: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:20:51 +, BCS wrote: Hello Gareth, I actually like the newsgroup format (more than modern web forums) now that I've gone to the trouble of setting up Thunderbrid but I guess they did put me off initially. Well, that's one data point for you. I've said

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Lars T. Kyllingstad
Roman Ivanov wrote: On 2/5/2010 11:52 AM, retard wrote: The sad fact is that web forums are more or less a poor copy of the good old usenet newsgroups. The new format requires more bandwidth and server capacity That's a questionable statement. Yes, in a forums you re-download the same posts s

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Walter Bright
Yigal Chripun wrote: On 06/02/2010 23:42, Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: Walter, Please take a look at FUDForum. I did, thanks for the reference. I think reddit blows it away for user interface. Fudforum has the usual problem with web forums of using too much vertical space, meanin

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Roman Ivanov
On 2/5/2010 11:52 AM, retard wrote: > The sad fact is that web forums are more or less a poor copy of the > good old usenet newsgroups. The new format requires more bandwidth and > server capacity That's a questionable statement. Yes, in a forums you re-download the same posts several times. How

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread BCS
Hello Walter, And if the throttle got stuck, I just step on the clutch & brake. BFD. I was once chatting with some guys building a race car: in that class you were required to have a gas peddle that had a toe strap and a push/pull cable so, even if the throttle return spring got stuck, you c

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 06/02/2010 23:42, Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: Walter, Please take a look at FUDForum. I did, thanks for the reference. I think reddit blows it away for user interface. Fudforum has the usual problem with web forums of using too much vertical space, meaning you have a hard time

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread BCS
Hello Walter, And if the throttle got stuck, I just step on the clutch & brake. BFD. I was once chatting with some guys building a race car: in that class you were required to have a gas peddle that had a toe strap and a push/pull cable so, even if the throttle return spring got stuck, you c

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread BCS
Hello Walter, BCS wrote: If D were to quit providing a NNTP interface, I'd loose interest in participating in these discussions. Heck, (HINT, HINT, HINT) the fact that Tango has a forum rather than a news group is half or more of the reason I don't use it. I love the news interface, too, and

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Walter Bright
Yigal Chripun wrote: Walter, Please take a look at FUDForum. I did, thanks for the reference. I think reddit blows it away for user interface. Fudforum has the usual problem with web forums of using too much vertical space, meaning you have a hard time keeping track of where you are in a thr

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Walter Bright
dsimcha wrote: == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article dsimcha wrote: == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article I love the news interface, too, and see no reason to give it up. But the web forums have their advantages, too. That's why I'd lik

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Roman Ivanov
On 2/6/2010 10:21 AM, dsimcha wrote: > == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article >> dsimcha wrote: >>> == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article I love the news interface, too, and see no reason to give it up. But the web forums have their

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Steven E. Harris
Yigal Chripun writes: > Walter, Please take a look at FUDForum. It's a web forum with NNTP > support built in. This mailing list is also hosted as a newsgroup on Gmane as gmane.comp.lang.d.general¹ which you can read via NNTP and a Web-based interface. Footnotes: ¹ http://dir.gmane.org/gm

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread dsimcha
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article > dsimcha wrote: > > == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article > >> I love the news interface, too, and see no reason to give it up. But the > >> web forums have their advantages, too. That's why I'd like to

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 06/02/2010 15:23, Lutger wrote: On 02/06/2010 01:58 PM, Yigal Chripun wrote: ... Also, I've found a simple NNTP server written in python that has modular back-end support so it can be set-up to provide a bi-directional NNTP interface for various web forums. What is the name / link? Thank

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Lutger
On 02/06/2010 01:58 PM, Yigal Chripun wrote: ... Also, I've found a simple NNTP server written in python that has modular back-end support so it can be set-up to provide a bi-directional NNTP interface for various web forums. What is the name / link? Thanks

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-06 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 06/02/2010 05:11, Walter Bright wrote: BCS wrote: If D were to quit providing a NNTP interface, I'd loose interest in participating in these discussions. Heck, (HINT, HINT, HINT) the fact that Tango has a forum rather than a news group is half or more of the reason I don't use it. I love th

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread Bane
Walter Bright Wrote: > dsimcha wrote: > > == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article > >> I love the news interface, too, and see no reason to give it up. But the > >> web forums have their advantages, too. That's why I'd like to have a > >> system that is accessible from b

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread Walter Bright
dsimcha wrote: == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article I love the news interface, too, and see no reason to give it up. But the web forums have their advantages, too. That's why I'd like to have a system that is accessible from both. Post on the web forum, and it is al

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread dsimcha
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article > I love the news interface, too, and see no reason to give it up. But the > web forums have their advantages, too. That's why I'd like to have a > system that is accessible from both. Post on the web forum, and it is > also posted

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread Walter Bright
retard wrote: It's interesting to see that even though modern web page/app developers have spent enormous effort on usability issues, techies still don't like it. The sad fact is that web forums are more or less a poor copy of the good old usenet newsgroups. The new format requires more bandwid

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread Walter Bright
BCS wrote: If D were to quit providing a NNTP interface, I'd loose interest in participating in these discussions. Heck, (HINT, HINT, HINT) the fact that Tango has a forum rather than a news group is half or more of the reason I don't use it. I love the news interface, too, and see no reason

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Nick Sabalausky wrote: > - Actual user accounts. Anonymous reading/posting is great, and many web > forums can still do that anyway, but they can also have real user accounts > to, for example, prevent posters from pretending to be someone else. I > rather like user profiles, too (although they'

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"BCS" wrote in message news:a6268fffef38cc745343a81...@news.digitalmars.com... > Hello Gareth, > > >> I actually like the newsgroup format (more than modern web forums) now >> that I've gone to the trouble of setting up Thunderbrid but I guess >> they did put me off initially. >> I had the same

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread retard
Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:20:51 +, BCS wrote: > Hello Gareth, > > >> I actually like the newsgroup format (more than modern web forums) now >> that I've gone to the trouble of setting up Thunderbrid but I guess >> they did put me off initially. >> >> Well, that's one data point for you. >> >> >

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread BCS
Hello Gareth, I actually like the newsgroup format (more than modern web forums) now that I've gone to the trouble of setting up Thunderbrid but I guess they did put me off initially. Well, that's one data point for you. I've said it before, but I might as well say it again; I'm of the same

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-05 Thread Gareth Charnock
Mike Parker wrote: Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: I've thought about building such a system for these forums many times. Registration would not be required to post, but registering would enable features like voting on posts, establishing a profile, preferences, etc. That sounds a

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Daniel Keep" wrote in message news:hkcsrv$2qi...@digitalmars.com... > > > Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> "Bane" wrote in message >> news:hkbqtb$rl...@digitalmars.com... >>> Nick Sabalausky Wrote: >>> "Justin Johansson" wrote in message news:hka8ju$1as...@digitalmars.com... > Though, >

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Daniel Keep
Nick Sabalausky wrote: > "Bane" wrote in message > news:hkbqtb$rl...@digitalmars.com... >> Nick Sabalausky Wrote: >> >>> "Justin Johansson" wrote in message >>> news:hka8ju$1as...@digitalmars.com... Though, admittedly, these days I find it boring to always lose against modern ch

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Bane" wrote in message news:hkbqtb$rl...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky Wrote: > >> "Justin Johansson" wrote in message >> news:hka8ju$1as...@digitalmars.com... >> > Though, >> > admittedly, these days I find it boring to always lose against >> > modern chess programs. >> >> That's one of

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread BCS
Hello Nick, But then many of those people get confused and start thinking that means censorship isn't censorship unless it's specifically a government doing it, which of course is a load of bull. OK, then if you want to call other things censorship (and you may well be right to do so) I wil

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Justin Johansson
Bane wrote: Nick Sabalausky Wrote: "Justin Johansson" wrote in message news:hka8ju$1as...@digitalmars.com... Though, admittedly, these days I find it boring to always lose against modern chess programs. That's one of the big reasons I lost interest in multiplayer FPSes. Getting fragged every

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Patrick Byrne
On 03/02/2010 01:06, Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: As I said before, you must be a much more tolerant person than I am :) I have long experience with online flame wars. The only way to "win" at them is to not play. You are a webbudhist, Walter.

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Bane
Nick Sabalausky Wrote: > "Justin Johansson" wrote in message > news:hka8ju$1as...@digitalmars.com... > > Though, > > admittedly, these days I find it boring to always lose against > > modern chess programs. > > That's one of the big reasons I lost interest in multiplayer FPSes. Getting > fragg

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Mike Parker" wrote in message news:hkbcjd$33...@digitalmars.com... > dsimcha wrote: >> == Quote from Jeff Nowakowski (j...@dilacero.org)'s article >>> BCS wrote: Group = citizens of china controller = government of china for the case in question (this NG) group = pe

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Mike Parker" wrote in message news:hkbc7f$2b...@digitalmars.com... > Walter Bright wrote: >> Yigal Chripun wrote: I've thought about building such a system for these forums many times. Registration would not be required to post, but registering would enable features like vot

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Mike Parker
dsimcha wrote: == Quote from Jeff Nowakowski (j...@dilacero.org)'s article BCS wrote: Group = citizens of china controller = government of china for the case in question (this NG) group = people posting on NG controller = people in NG wanting someone banned. I see a difference The governmen

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Mike Parker
Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: I've thought about building such a system for these forums many times. Registration would not be required to post, but registering would enable features like voting on posts, establishing a profile, preferences, etc. That sounds awesome. Another useful

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 03/02/2010 09:19, Lutger wrote: On 02/03/2010 02:42 AM, Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: I've thought about building such a system for these forums many times. Registration would not be required to post, but registering would enable features like voting on posts, establishing a prof

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-03 Thread Mike Parker
Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: As I said before, you must be a much more tolerant person than I am :) I have long experience with online flame wars. The only way to "win" at them is to not play. What bothered me the most about his language was not the fact the it was insulting

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Lutger
On 02/03/2010 02:42 AM, Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: I've thought about building such a system for these forums many times. Registration would not be required to post, but registering would enable features like voting on posts, establishing a profile, preferences, etc. That sounds

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread BCS
Hello dsimcha, If noone reads it because you end up having to post it to alt.spam or something, well, freedom of speech doesn't mean people have to listen to you if they aren't interested in what you have to say. Vote++; -- <

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Ary Borenszweig" wrote in message news:hka9v2$1cr...@digitalmars.com... > Walter Bright wrote: >> BCS wrote: >>> I think both of them are smart enough to figure out that if nobody here >>> disagree with them, then they shouldn't waste there time talking with >>> us. >> >> Well, it is boring to

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Ellery Newcomer
On 02/02/2010 06:50 PM, Walter Bright wrote: Ary Borenszweig wrote: Walter Bright wrote: BCS wrote: I think both of them are smart enough to figure out that if nobody here disagree with them, then they shouldn't waste there time talking with us. Well, it is boring to talk to people who agree

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Walter Bright
Yigal Chripun wrote: I've thought about building such a system for these forums many times. Registration would not be required to post, but registering would enable features like voting on posts, establishing a profile, preferences, etc. That sounds awesome. Another useful feature would be stor

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Walter Bright
Yigal Chripun wrote: As I said before, you must be a much more tolerant person than I am :) I have long experience with online flame wars. The only way to "win" at them is to not play. What bothered me the most about his language was not the fact the it was insulting but rather that it red

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Walter Bright
Ary Borenszweig wrote: Walter Bright wrote: BCS wrote: I think both of them are smart enough to figure out that if nobody here disagree with them, then they shouldn't waste there time talking with us. Well, it is boring to talk to people who agree with you! I agree. (!)

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Ali Çehreli
Ali Çehreli wrote: I used to never mistype those words until I learned that they were pronounced differently. Argh! I meant "... until I learned that they were pronounced _the_same_." Ali "maker of all mistakes"

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Ali Çehreli
Yigal Chripun wrote: > This especially irks me every time I see a post that boils down to > demeaning a non-native English speaker about using "your" instead of > "you're" I think that one is totally subconscious... For me at least... :) As my native alphabet is phonetic, I used to read "your" a

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 03/02/2010 00:44, Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: IMO, we should have a registration system for regular people, not for censoring purposes but for keeping track. there are many posts by different people that call themselves with the same name and it seems confusing and unproductive

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 03/02/2010 00:41, Walter Bright wrote: Yigal Chripun wrote: He wouldn't even ban superdan, which frankly I would had i been in Walter's shoes. superdan was harmless. I enjoyed his rants, and underneath it he did know what he was talking about. As I said before, you must be a much more tol

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Ary Borenszweig
Walter Bright wrote: BCS wrote: I think both of them are smart enough to figure out that if nobody here disagree with them, then they shouldn't waste there time talking with us. Well, it is boring to talk to people who agree with you! I agree.

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Walter Bright
Yigal Chripun wrote: He wouldn't even ban superdan, which frankly I would had i been in Walter's shoes. superdan was harmless. I enjoyed his rants, and underneath it he did know what he was talking about.

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Walter Bright
Yigal Chripun wrote: IMO, we should have a registration system for regular people, not for censoring purposes but for keeping track. there are many posts by different people that call themselves with the same name and it seems confusing and unproductive to me. people don't have to register with

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Justin Johansson" wrote in message news:hka8ju$1as...@digitalmars.com... > Though, > admittedly, these days I find it boring to always lose against > modern chess programs. That's one of the big reasons I lost interest in multiplayer FPSes. Getting fragged every three seconds gets old fast. An

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hka0h4$rl...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> "retard" wrote in message >> news:hk9vgn$f4...@digitalmars.com... >>> Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:20:19 -0500, Bane wrote: >>> >>> > Except that you could argue that the government is censoring i

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Justin Johansson
Walter Bright wrote: BCS wrote: I think both of them are smart enough to figure out that if nobody here disagree with them, then they shouldn't waste there time talking with us. Well, it is boring to talk to people who agree with you! And it's boring to always win. Long time ago (before PC

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Walter Bright
BCS wrote: I think both of them are smart enough to figure out that if nobody here disagree with them, then they shouldn't waste there time talking with us. Well, it is boring to talk to people who agree with you!

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread dsimcha
== Quote from Jeff Nowakowski (j...@dilacero.org)'s article > BCS wrote: > > > > Group = citizens of china > > controller = government of china > > > > for the case in question (this NG) > > > > group = people posting on NG > > controller = people in NG wanting someone banned. > > > > I see a diffe

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 02/02/2010 23:05, Jeff Nowakowski wrote: BCS wrote: Group = citizens of china controller = government of china for the case in question (this NG) group = people posting on NG controller = people in NG wanting someone banned. I see a difference The government of China are Chinese people.

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 02/02/2010 21:47, retard wrote: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:20:19 -0500, Bane wrote: Except that you could argue that the government is censoring it for the people, thereby making it an outside force imposing control on the inside. Merriam-Webster's online definition would tend to go with the whole

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
BCS wrote: Group = citizens of china controller = government of china for the case in question (this NG) group = people posting on NG controller = people in NG wanting someone banned. I see a difference The government of China are Chinese people. I see no difference. Once you create a "con

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 02/02/2010 21:09, dsimcha wrote: == Quote from BCS (n...@anon.com)'s article Hello Rainer, BCS wrote: Anything a group does to it's self is not censorship. Censorship is where someone from the outside imposes controls. By that definition, there is no censorship in China, because it's som

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Daniel Toffetti
Lionello Lunesu Wrote: > On 31-1-2010 18:08, Nick Sabalausky wrote: > > We were (maybe) able to chase away > > superdan, > > I miss superdan... > > L. Heh, I couldn't care less about D, I'm only lurking this list only in the hope of reading another post by superdan again !! Daniel

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread BCS
Hello retard, At least in this newsgroup it's easy to get into peoples' killfile. Just disagree with your beloved deitys, Andrei and W. I think both of them are smart enough to figure out that if nobody here disagree with them, then they shouldn't waste there time talking with us. -- <

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Justin Johansson
Ali Çehreli wrote: John D wrote: What is your name and address? I was considering about commenting on your missing identity. If you want me to take you seriously, you must show me that you are brave enough to use your real name. Only then you can start learning how empty your self-proclaim

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Nick Sabalausky wrote: "retard" wrote in message news:hk9vgn$f4...@digitalmars.com... Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:20:19 -0500, Bane wrote: Except that you could argue that the government is censoring it for the people, thereby making it an outside force imposing control on the inside. Merriam-Webste

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Walter Bright
retard wrote: At least in this newsgroup it's easy to get into peoples' killfile. You're not in mine, obviously!

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"retard" wrote in message news:hk9vgn$f4...@digitalmars.com... > Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:20:19 -0500, Bane wrote: > > >>> Except that you could argue that the government is censoring it for the >>> people, thereby making it an outside force imposing control on the >>> inside. Merriam-Webster's online

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread retard
Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:20:19 -0500, Bane wrote: >> Except that you could argue that the government is censoring it for the >> people, thereby making it an outside force imposing control on the >> inside. Merriam-Webster's online definition would tend to go with the >> whole "outside force" idea: >>

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread BCS
Hello dsimcha, == Quote from BCS (n...@anon.com)'s article Hello Rainer, BCS wrote: Anything a group does to it's self is not censorship. Censorship is where someone from the outside imposes controls. By that definition, there is no censorship in China, because it's something the group (

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread dsimcha
== Quote from BCS (n...@anon.com)'s article > Hello Rainer, > > BCS wrote: > > > >> Anything a group does to it's self is not censorship. Censorship is > >> where someone from the outside imposes controls. > >> > > By that definition, there is no censorship in China, because it's > > something the

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread BCS
Hello Rainer, BCS wrote: Anything a group does to it's self is not censorship. Censorship is where someone from the outside imposes controls. By that definition, there is no censorship in China, because it's something the group (i.e. China) does to itself. Group = citizens of china contro

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Lionello Lunesu
On 31-1-2010 18:08, Nick Sabalausky wrote: > We were (maybe) able to chase away > superdan, I miss superdan... L.

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-02 Thread Bane
> > Except that you could argue that the government is censoring it for the > people, thereby making it an outside force imposing control on the inside. > Merriam-Webster's online definition would tend to go with the whole "outside > force" idea: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-01 Thread Jonathan M Davis
Rainer Deyke wrote: > BCS wrote: >> Anything a group does to it's self is not censorship. Censorship is >> where someone from the outside imposes controls. > > By that definition, there is no censorship in China, because it's > something the group (i.e. China) does to itself. > > Except that y

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-01 Thread Rainer Deyke
BCS wrote: > Anything a group does to it's self is not censorship. Censorship is > where someone from the outside imposes controls. By that definition, there is no censorship in China, because it's something the group (i.e. China) does to itself. -- Rainer Deyke - rain...@eldwood.com

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-01 Thread Walter Bright
Yigal Chripun wrote: Personally, I prefer paper for stuff that's meant for long-term use and digital for one-offs. newspaper is a prime example of what not to do - either you pollute by printing daily on new paper or you provide a crappy experience with recycled paper. This is IMO a prime examp

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-01 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 01/02/2010 01:56, BCS wrote: Hello Bane, Lars T. Kyllingstad Wrote: When TDPL is published D2 will be frozen. That's the whole point. -Lars Aha! What about... D3 ? :) TDPL 2e And FWIW, I'm in the lets kill trees camp. p.s. Why doesn't anyone ever bring up the power requirements for

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-01 Thread BCS
Hello Steve, Nick Sabalausky Wrote: "TDPL: we want money"? Msg me when it is "TDPL: the well-oiled machine". (Note I didn't say "the well-oiled MONEY machine). Ordinarily I wouldn't think much of this, but considering some of this guy's most recent postings over in "Google's Go", I'd say it'

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-01 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Steve Teale" wrote in message news:hk6u43$1gq...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky Wrote: > >> > "TDPL: we want money"? Msg me when it is "TDPL: the well-oiled >> > machine". >> > (Note I didn't say "the well-oiled MONEY machine). >> > >> >> Ordinarily I wouldn't think much of this, but cons

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-01 Thread Steve Teale
Nick Sabalausky Wrote: > > "TDPL: we want money"? Msg me when it is "TDPL: the well-oiled machine". > > (Note I didn't say "the well-oiled MONEY machine). > > > > Ordinarily I wouldn't think much of this, but considering some of this guy's > most recent postings over in "Google's Go", I'd say i

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-02-01 Thread Steve Teale
Ali Çehreli Wrote: > Whatever ... > > Ali Çehreli > "a real name :p" On a trivia note, I see that you real name does not have any of those silly UTF-8 apology characters - congratulations.

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-01-31 Thread Ali Çehreli
John D wrote: What is your name and address? I was considering about commenting on your missing identity. If you want me to take you seriously, you must show me that you are brave enough to use your real name. Only then you can start learning how empty your self-proclaimed C++ understanding

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-01-31 Thread BCS
Hello Bane, Lars T. Kyllingstad Wrote: When TDPL is published D2 will be frozen. That's the whole point. -Lars Aha! What about... D3 ? :) TDPL 2e And FWIW, I'm in the lets kill trees camp. p.s. Why doesn't anyone ever bring up the power requirements for reading digital docs? Making a

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-01-31 Thread Simen kjaeraas
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:27:39 +0100, Bane wrote: Lars T. Kyllingstad Wrote: Bane wrote: >> Why a killing of trees for a manual that changes daily and can be on the >> internet? What is the point of TDPL? To make money? I don't see any value >> in a set of pages that are a manual for a c

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-01-31 Thread Bane
Lars T. Kyllingstad Wrote: > Bane wrote: > >> Why a killing of trees for a manual that changes daily and can be on the > >> internet? What is the point of TDPL? To make money? I don't see any value > >> in a set of pages that are a manual for a constantly changing and > >> unestablished compute

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-01-31 Thread Lars T. Kyllingstad
Bane wrote: Why a killing of trees for a manual that changes daily and can be on the internet? What is the point of TDPL? To make money? I don't see any value in a set of pages that are a manual for a constantly changing and unestablished computer programming language. Can't yaz save the trees

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-01-31 Thread John D
"Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:hk3kq6$268...@digitalmars.com... > "John D" wrote in message > news:hk381s$1es...@digitalmars.com... >> Did anyone watch Shark Tank on TV this week? Captain Ice Cream was >> rejected by all of the sharks and sent packing because he wanted to >> sell a

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-01-31 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"John D" wrote in message news:hk381s$1es...@digitalmars.com... > Did anyone watch Shark Tank on TV this week? Captain Ice Cream was > rejected by all of the sharks and sent packing because he wanted to sell a > franchise that wasn't. One of the sharks said to him something along the > lines o

Re: TDPL a bad idea?

2010-01-31 Thread Bane
> > Why a killing of trees for a manual that changes daily and can be on the > internet? What is the point of TDPL? To make money? I don't see any value > in a set of pages that are a manual for a constantly changing and > unestablished computer programming language. Can't yaz save the trees an

TDPL a bad idea?

2010-01-31 Thread John D
Did anyone watch Shark Tank on TV this week? Captain Ice Cream was rejected by all of the sharks and sent packing because he wanted to sell a franchise that wasn't. One of the sharks said to him something along the lines of, "a franchise offering is a package deal for a product that is a well-o