My callsign is in the .sigfile.
--
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IPN-CAL023 N6FOG UP Fresno Sub MP183.5 ECV1852
List Owner x6, Moderator x4 CA-OES 51-507
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John:
The problem is that during a contest ,, contesters have all the channels, and
it doesn't matter if you do find a clear spot,, contestester will move in
within in a kc and take out ANY other communications that are going on..
whether it be ssb qso, digital sstv, sstv.. If the idea
Roger your beating a very dead horse.
In just 41 days all the wide robots will have to be in
their own sub-band.
I sure hope this anti-wide stuff will stop soon.
John, W0JAB
Keep in mind that the enforcement resources of the FCC are pretty
limited, and Pactor 3 is not all that ubiquitous
. That is
my point.
Hope this helped you, John. ;-)
Skip you points are well taken.
My point was not to mix another mode in with a RTTY
contest.
If you really miss that smell of the machine oil and the
newsroom clatter stop by some time. Still doing RTTY
with a pair of 28's. One ASR and one KSR.
John, W0JAB
in the center of flyover country
HF rigs has a OFF switch.
John, W0JAB
At 06:45 PM 11/19/2007, you wrote:
not if there is a CQ contester every 1kz running 1500 watts (or more)
screaming CQ CONTEST every 10 seconds. You can't pick a secondary freq, if
there are none empty.
And its getting so someone has a contest everyother
Hi Andy and company interested in other VE's who are into the digital modes.
Any from VE4 , VE5,VE6, or VE7 especially?
John
VE5MU
At 06:10 PM 11/18/2007, you wrote:
N3WT United States 14,073.1 PSK63
2007-18-11 18:19K3UK PSK63 36
K6MKF United States 14,073.7 PSK63
2007-18-11 18:26K3UK PSK63 34
K7RE United States
contest?
Or vice verse.
John, W0JAB
At 08:00 PM 11/18/2007, you wrote:
It is not like adding CW to a phone contest because both RTTY and PSK63 are
keyboard modes. Phone and CW are not.
Well just add the rest of the keyboard modes while your at it...
And please make sure you do add both the keyboard mode of Amtor
and Pactor.
I
Roger
regardless of what you think about Amtor and Pactor -
both are still doing very well. Other then a hand full of
CW and SSB QSO's the log book is full of both Amtor
and Pactor 1, 2 and 3.
John, W0JAB
At 08:16 PM 11/18/2007, you wrote:
John Becker, WØJAB wrote:
Ten extra points for using
forward to
playing more.
I am currently on 14094.5 , 1625 centre, if anyone wants to try a connect...
I won't be around but feel free to play.
John
VE5MU
DO70QK
At 07:17 PM 11/14/2007, you wrote:
Dear RTTY-Fanatics
I really have not found a mode other then CW or SSB that
will bring more operators out of the wood works.
My 2 TTY machines even with all the noise and that fine smell
of oil that they have are still working as well as the day I got
them
digital radio
receivers in stores yet.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Natalia
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 20:13 UTC
Subject: [digitalradio] Digital Radio - Well Broadcast
Hi All,
Most likely a little off topic
This has been going on for over 25 years that I know of.
But I don't think it was digital. AM and FM radio had a
service for the blind that was a sub carrier. Sounds very
close to it.
At 06:29 PM 11/12/2007, you wrote:
In the U.S. the FCC has approved a system called IBOC (In-Band On Channel)
/80/160 one of
these nights if anyone is up for it
John
VE5MU
useful decoder for HF will operate on an analog input with a resolution at
least 2 bits greater than the number of bits encoded in the transmitted signal.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 02:48
, they still use an
RS code that is capable of correcting bursts of 8 errors.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 20:10 UTC
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Testing Digital Codes at Bit Level
to channel capacity but they
require very long block lengths (greater than 10,000 symbols) and an iterative
decoder to be effective.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 02:24 UTC
Subject: RE
Rick
Don't use the firefox re-load/refresh but rather click
on the word refresh near the top of the page just
to the left of the date and time. It will not resent you last post.
John, W0JAB
Co-moderator.
At 01:00 PM 11/4/2007, you wrote:
Hello Andy,
This web page is a very good tool
For your info, Patrick, 20M doesn't open until 1400-1500Z reaching a peak
around 1900-2000Z
Consistently hear Txema, EA2AFR around 1900Z here in central North America
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker
Sent: Friday
Sitting on 14109.5 ALE400 all Thrusday Morning , if anyone wants to try the
mail function
John
VE5MU
This Am did a connect using ALE400 between Cincinnati (WB8NUT) and Regina,
which is just over 2000km.
This was on 14109.5
ALE400 worked very well on 20 and was able to maintain the connect despite
some significant QSB.
Worked well down into the weeds and, being ARQ had 100% copy.
John
On 14109.5 , USB, 1500hz center, ALE400 (Multipsk) , for the balance of the
day.
Try a connect
John
VE5MU
modes. Since there is not a large
active
ALE community ( emphasis on ACTIVE) all can, and should be able survive on
the current ALE frequencies.
John
VE5MU
Listening on 14109.5, using ALE400, try a connect.
Will be back after 1830Z to play.. Right now have to make like a soccer
grandpa
John
VE5MU
pretty fast. Also makes SSB ops
Sound like Donald Duck
There are times when this will show up on relatively short hops (less than
500km) on 80 and 40 M
John
VE5MU
Would the phase distortion that can corrupt a PSK signal occur the same on a
M-PSK signal?
If the phase distortion
RTTY is binary FSK so the bandwidth is approximately the deviation (170 Hz)
plus the baud rate or 215 Hz.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: John Becker, WØJAB
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 01:04 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio
Sorry but I may have missed something.
Your point is ? ? ?
At 07:11 PM 10/27/2007, you wrote:
I took the dB results from the authors web page and calculated the bandwidth
adjusted dB and the Shannon-Hartley channel capacity:
Report
SNRBWBW Adj
How wide is 45 baud RTTY ?
At 07:52 PM 10/26/2007, Rick, KV9U wrote in part:
How do you make a wider bandwidth for a given mode? Isn't the bandwidth
based on the baud rate to begin with?
I would have to say an error.
But just a guess on my part.
At 06:21 PM 10/25/2007, you wrote:
Got my DXCC the other day and was surprised to see an AMTOR QSO
registered as CW. Is this normal or a simple error?
Tnx es 73
Dave
KB3MOW
.
It seems to me that the ideal HF modem would use OFDM that occupyies a constant
bandwidth using a subcarrier spacing that suits the Doppler spread and
multipath spread for the current path and changes the code rate to suit the
available SNR.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message
with higher-frequency subcarriers.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:03 UTC
Subject: [digitalradio] OFDM Proposal: Details
For your amusement and consternation here are my latest
for more mobile telephone and data services and the NAB had
agreed to a switchover to DTV by 2006, freeing up of about 20 channels.
Since hams like to push the limit and operate over barely usable HF paths, OFDM
is probably better for amateur use.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message
to generate files for an arbitary
waveform generator. The other was to test the file generated by the first
program. The software and a signal generator were used to generate a signal on
6 meters and 70 cm for testing an FPGA-based decoder.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message
in the total occupied bandwidth.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 03:48 UTC
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] OFDM Proposal: Details
John,
One more time, thanks. A lot to mull over in your
Look at KA9Q's web site, especially http://www.ka9q.net/code/fec/, for FEC
software.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 05:13 UTC
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: OFDM Proposal
Ed,
I
.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 15:40 UTC
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: OFDM Proposal
Thanks, John, for this reference and the other responses. I do keep an eye on
Phil's work
Andy and Steinar;
As of 1900Z 21Oct sitting on 10139 (dial) and .75 characters/minute.
Will TX beacon occasionally at 5 watts and see what happens.
John
VE5MU
Under similar conditions on 40/80m switching to OLIVIA 1000/32 works well,
even with considerable overlap
On the waterfall
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:10 PM
To: digitalradio
Would you say this is true with any Automatic Station ?
RTTY - Amtor as well as Pactor or even PSK mail.
The reason I ask is I was reading the mail up on 7103.5 last
evening between 2 pactor station, when someone on packet
called up another packet station right on top of them.
I really fail
At 11:47 PM 10/17/2007, you wrote:
John Becker, WØJAB wrote:
***In 1984 they started doing the very same thing to Packed traffic
from one BBS to the other.
As far as I remember, compression started with FBB 5.13 around 1990.
MSYS (1.09 ???) and JNOS (1.10 ???) followed later.
Not really Jose
communication and another for DX.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 06:59 UTC
Subject: [digitalradio] OFDM Proposal
Here is a proposal for an OFDM protocol with a bandwidth of 493 Hz
to the guard interval to eliminate
ISI. Guard intervals are often 1/4 of the FFT sampling interval but it might be
useful to make them 3/8 or 1/2 a symbol period to accomnodate poor propogation.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
/128 (62.5 Hz) and
a guard interval of 1/2 (8 ms) has symbol rate of 41.7 baud and only 2 dB of
power is lost in the guard interval.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 06:59 UTC
Subject
At 09:10 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
It appears that instead of designing better interoperation of
automatic stations, they want to simply spread out so the auto
stations don't get qrm from themselves.
Not at all Jim.
If you had been part of the system you would know that the reason.
And I will
HURRAY!!!
Ve5mu
At 08:34 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
Why any amateur would want to see our bands cluttered up with a
third-rate email forwarding system is a mystery
And just why do you think every message passed is email?
It seems to me you have never copied the traffic. Right?
John, W0JAB
Let's look at it from the other side of the fence.
Not just at Pactor but look at the other wide modes also.
It seems to me that Pactor as a mode of operation is getting
a bad rap.
I know many bad talking it are doing so just from what they
read or hear NEVER EVER having copied and of it.
At
group moved
into what at one time was called pactor ally . Is this right?
And I agree with you Dave 1000 per cent.
So I guess I said it again also.
John, W0JAB
At 05:24 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
I have said before that the problem is unattended stations initiated by remote
stations, and have
At 09:22 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
I'm sorry, but a mode that expands willy nilly from about ~500 Hz to
2.5 kHz AFTER a qso has started is just asking for trouble.
Are you telling us that you have NEVER turned on the AMP after
starting a QSO and the other station said what was that ?
If
At 09:41 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
Well John,
Those guys never tried.. so for them it is QRM... sad eh?
Patrick
vk2pn
And the packet, amtor and aplink BBS system did what different?
Just trying to understand why so many HATE the mode
of pactor.
It's the programmers choice to make it open
But it seems to me that some feel cheated if it's not.
Either way I can live with it.
John, W0JAB
green pins on that map
is a ham. Now are you saying that they have no right to get on the air
while at sea?
Show us some of this business-related traffic.
I have never seen any at all pass my screen. Not any.
John, W0JAB
At 07:00 PM 10/17/2007, you wrote:
Automatic operation is mainly a way
to that effect. I was, quite likely,
wrong about that and therefore should not have said that.
Sorry for the bottom post but it's short.
Again I have *NOT* seen any even on the WinLink internet network.
Show me.
John, W0JAB
there Greg.
John, W0JAB
in the center of fly over country
of operators, especially when scotch or rum is consumed at the same time.
While this is not a cure, the obsessive behavior should be in remission for
several months after the one week cure.
snip
John
VE5MU
in and out of this station yes.
Off the air traffic, some but not all.
As you may know it's compressed.
John, W0JAB
At 08:41 PM 10/17/2007, you wrote:
John,
Are you saying that you are able to monitor the traffic on Pactor modes
going to the Winlink 2000 system?
73,
Rick, KV9U
I have seen was
a system that only could do 43.7% of what the TNC did.
In other words, sent the traffic went out for lunch and still waited for
the none TNC system to get done.
John, W0JAB
dead.
John, W0JAB
At 07:14 AM 10/15/2007, you wrote:
Because it was occurring right on published winlink channels. Could
some of them been kb2kb, sure, some of them could have been. However,
even then, there weren't that many kb2kb qso's on pactor taking place
in the auto sub-bands.
Why do you
slightly.
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rud Merriam
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:48 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Visa Laptop Microphone
I am getting setup for HF digital. I plan on using my HP
If PSKMail existed back then, I wasn't aware of it. It was not our
goal to replace Winlink, but rather to provide it with a better
transport protocol that could use PC-hosted soundcards instead of
hardware TNCs and would not QRM other stations.
So why do we not have such a thing today?
Not really Andy.
Pactor is a LSB mode whereas 65A is a USB mode.
with 1kc between the two. Should not bother each other.
At 04:25 PM 10/15/2007, you wrote:
7075 and 14075 is smack on the usual frequency for that new fangled JT65A
stuff.
Andy
as all the odd
taps are zero in one channel and all the even taps are 0 in the other.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rud Merriam
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 22:04 UTC
Subject: [digitalradio] Dev: Real to I/Q
How do I change
and 120 meter
broadcast bands.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rick
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 14:05 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Dev: Multipath
SCS decided on 100 and 200 baud rates when they developed Pactor 2
Set at 3 characters/minute, USB . Is this good or should I speed up?
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Steinar Aanesland
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:19 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re
One question Roger.
How do I get my SCS TNC to automatically increase power
John
At 06:54 PM 10/14/2007, you wrote:
Wrong. I said that I would increase power to keep the Pactor station
from taking the frequency. By the way, I don't imagine in your
investigation of the facts (of which
Sorry Jim but you did not say in your post
how you knew it was WinLink stations?
And not some KB2KB QSO..
At 08:43 PM 10/14/2007, you wrote:
Don't believe everything you hear. A couple of years ago when I was
doing packet work, I listened to winlink a lot. What I heard
convinced me that clients
requirement also. Or how the washer to do what
the dryer will do...
If you want to play pactor 2 or 3 you need the right tools.
The sound card does have it's limits.
John, W0JAB
He is right. Any pactor will know if another pactor station is on frequency.
But in fact I have 2, count em one, two - SCS TNC's.
John, W0JAB
in the center of fly over country
At 09:58 PM 10/14/2007, you wrote:
You've taken this out of context, John.
Jose pointed out that a Winlink PMBO
Why would they have to have to purchase a TNC?
My question is why would some one running HELL
last week keep calling CQ when I know damn well
they *knew* there was a pactor QSO already on the
frequency for a half hour.
Answer:
Their thinking it was a robot.
At 11:00 PM 10/14/2007, you wrote:
At 11:31 PM 10/14/2007, you wrote:
They would have to purchase a TNC so they could QSO in Pactor, which
PMBOs can detect and thus would not QRM.
Yeah there you go.
So Mr. programmer write a program.
End of problem.
Oh I forgot for a moment that has been tried already.
Don't forget the
So I d'loaded SlowfeldXPAS and have it set up on the same frequency, beacon
on as of 0500UTC October 14
Am running 5 watts, with my TS480SAT.
Thought that since Sholto is relatively close to me (within 1000km) he might
have some luck with copying
My beacon.
John
VE5MU
For your info, Sholto is 7142Km from you and I am 6466km from you, almost on
the same bearing.
Sholto is 980km from me
I'll listen tonite until about 1300 UTC and try beaconing when the band is
open .will email when starting
Lowest power I can run is 5 watts
John
VE5MU
Off the digital radio topic , but an interesting reminder from our past.
VE7CK is a distant cousin and has been a Ham since the days of sail, hi hi
From: Arthur Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ham Radio
Ham. Amateur radio operators are often referred to as hams -- a term
And some still wonder *why* the MT63 guys packed up and moved...
Reminds me a lot of the psk'ers parking right in the center of all the
pactor stations. Yes I know that no one owns a frequency so you
can save the hate reply's.
- just an option - before a get in trouble again.
As of 20:00UTC beaconing every 5 minutes 14109.5 non-standard . This will
last until 21:30 UTC
After that will be monitoring 14109.5 so if the band smartens up, try a
connect
John
VE5MU
of these new technologies. At the same time would
encourage you to put some of your considerable technical ability into
developing busy frequency software In cooperation with one of the authors,
rather than simply complaining about it at every opportunity.
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio
At 11:29 PM 10/2/2007, you wrote:
What's been your contribution, John?
It does not matter?
Does it make anyone less a ham? Of course not.
WARNING to all -
Any personal attacks you your will find yourself at least moderated.
John, W0JAB
co-moderator
Yes I have been looking it over for a day or so.
Not real sure I like the idea of just 3Kc on 40 meters for
unattended stations over 500Hz wide.
John, W0JAB
in the center of fly over country
At 05:14 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote:
Wow! Is it only me and Demetre that have noticed this
, and form your own opinions .
Ham radio has a long history of experimenting.
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:11 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] On PSK31
At 06:53 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote:
OK, what am I missing...seems like a good plan to me.
Andy K3UK
With just 3kcs on forty meters they will have to pick a time slot
in order to get on the air to pass traffic.
some promise.
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Howard Brown
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:52 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RFSM8000
John, thanks for the consideration today. I have been and
am
piece on Interoperability.
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2007/10/01/1/?nc=1
Beaconing 14109.5 starting 1530Z , ending 1700Z, 10 minute intervals,
RFSM8000, 500/600 long
John
VE5MU
lend you the soapbox
John
VE5MU
John
you forgot the Busy Channel Detection stuff.
You should know that is the fix all for all QRM.
John, W0JAB
in the center of fly over country
At 09:09 PM 10/2/2007, you wrote:
Allrighty, then! (climbing up on soapbox)
I guess I am getting a little tired of these arguments about
Howard;
That might be my fault that you couldn't decode using 2400. Will double
check and try again Wed afternoon.
Same frequency, but will make sure I am on the right modulation,
non-standard .
My antenna does well north -south so maybe see u around 1700Z or so
John
VE5MU
From
Oh, and will be sitting there all day in this mode, starting at 0400Z today,
so you might want to try a connect
jb
From: John Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:08 PM
To: 'digitalradio@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] RFSM8000
Howard
Hmm unattended soundings?
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:28 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tests in ARQ FAE
I just got off the air on 30 meters
Steinar;
I'll listen for you on 30m and 20M , on 10136.5 now but probably too late.
Have heard Europe today so maybe band is improving, will sit on 14109.5 as of
0600Z tomorrow. See if you can get my station to answer
John
VE5MU
- Original Message -
From: Steinar Aanesland
At 07:35 PM 9/26/2007, you wrote:
After looking at the article about NZ allowing people to suggest the
wording of local laws (see below), how about one in the USA where we
can do the same for a re-write of hand radio laws ?
Wont work here.
To many have their own idea of being PC
That will get
in the settings you are using, at least would be a
starting point. please include the menu settings on the Kenwood as well
so that I can duplicate what you are using.
Thanks
John
VE5MU
- Original Message -
From: merv0728 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday
so how do we get a copy to play with? MixW 2000/128 worked well started
with 1000/32 and needed a good signal, moved to
2000/128 and were both able to drop down to under 10Watts over 2500+km
John
VE5MU
functions to determine a ususable frequency.
John
VE5MU
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dunno. But darn near impossible to get a Kenwood running on PCALE. Have
a TS480
John
VE5MU
- Original Message -
From: Dave Bernstein
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ALE yes ... or no?
Why
Roger
After checking my log book for the last 10 QSO's
you will find 6 Pactor QSO's and 4 CW.
Thank in my mind is far from next to zero.
At 08:45 AM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
Andy, if you ever make it to California I can look in my junk closet for
my PTC-II modem (will support Pactor 1,2,3). I
Don't know or have any idea but, I find them all
the time. Not all of us have given up on the ARQ modes.
John, WØJAB
in the middle of fly over country
At 12:40 PM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
How many keyboard-to-keyboard Pactor stations would you estimate are
QRV, John?
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
Sorry that I don't.
But it seems that it was an even mix.
John
At 03:05 PM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
John,
Just out of curiosity, do you recall how many of the Pactor QSOs were P1, 2 or
3?
Howard K5HB
Patrick, Demetre, Steinar and all, I am getting great sigs most days from
EA2AFR, Txema, on 20m around 2100/2200Z.
Can listen for you one of these days, or , if you want leave your rigs on
overnight and see if we can show up on your screens
John
VE5MU
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