On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
> Le 2010-10-09 16:50, Scott Furry a écrit :
>>
>> On 09/10/10 02:11 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I agree, direction from the whole community on this, now that we have
>>> hashed it out a bit, would give clearer direction of expectations.
>>
>>
On 10/09/2010 05:23 PM, Scott Furry wrote:
LibreOffice Community,
As suggested, this post is intended to get the opinion of the
community about how best to deliver LibreOffice to its users.
Given that LibreOffice is an important and viable alternative to
paid-for office productivity softwa
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Le 2010-10-09 16:50, Scott Furry a écrit :
On 09/10/10 02:11 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
I agree, direction from the whole community on this, now that we have
hashed it out a bit, would give clearer direction of expectations.
This could then be put to the community as a new thread and the
results c
On 2010/10/09 3:47 PM Bernhard Dippold wrote:
Larry Gusaas schrieb:
Then why did you set up Gmane in the first place? Why not do it properly
in the first place?
Because it's an external resource. Mailing lists are the center of our community's activity,
so we can't give away it's maintenanc
2010/10/9 Scott Furry :
> ---
>
> This survey is to gauge the views of the LibreOffice community on the
> install/update method of LibreOffice. Please voice your opinion so that
> these considerations may be taken into account when the LibreOffice method
> of install/update is s
On Sunday 10 Oct 2010 10:07:08 Cor Nouws wrote:
> Hi Drew,
>
> Drew Jensen wrote (09-10-10 15:54)
>
> > Governance principles are more important than ownership
> > [...]
> > Just some thoughts,
>
> How often can someone have 'just some thoughts', but in the same time
> add very wise ideas and wo
Hi Larry, *,
Larry Gusaas schrieb:
>Then why did you set up Gmane in the first place? Why not do it
> properly in the first place?
for the others which want to read by nntp and don't worry to be
subscribed. -- Just ignore it! :o))
>Nowhere on http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.d
Hi @all,
Am Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:23:39 -0600
schrieb Scott Furry :
> LibreOffice Community,
>
[...]
> From what we have heard on this topic so far:
>
> - Mac users have commented that they do not have an issue with the
> current installer available on the Mac platform.
>
> - Window users
Larry Gusaas schrieb:
On 2010/10/09 11:46 AM Bernhard Dippold wrote:
If we are able to work with normal workload, allowing postings from
Gmane would be a topic.
As it was possible at OpenOffice.org, I'm quite sure it would be
possible for our lists too.
But please let's pend this topic for so
Just my 2 cents: as packager of a distro called openmamba (a rolling
release one) I would point out that is not so trivial build an
universal package of a complex software like LibO. We use RPM as
package so we could use Mandriva, Suse or Red Hat RPMs but we prefer
build ours: we try to use the b
LibreOffice Community,
As suggested, this post is intended to get the opinion of the community
about how best to deliver LibreOffice to its users.
Given that LibreOffice is an important and viable alternative to
paid-for office productivity software, and we all feel strongly and
passionatel
On 09/10/10 03:13 PM, RGB ES wrote:
2010/10/9 Scott Furry:
And IMO that is the point. Distributions will only incorporate into the
releases what /they feel/ is appropriate.
And is that wrong? If you want "the last" on your computer "as soon as
possible", then you need to change to a rolling re
2010/10/9 Scott Furry :
> And IMO that is the point. Distributions will only incorporate into the
> releases what /they feel/ is appropriate.
And is that wrong? If you want "the last" on your computer "as soon as
possible", then you need to change to a rolling release distro...
There is a reason be
Hi Drew,
Drew Jensen wrote (09-10-10 15:54)
Governance principles are more important than ownership
[...]
Just some thoughts,
How often can someone have 'just some thoughts', but in the same time
add very wise ideas and words to our list...
Four times - maybe Guinness book of Records :-) Any
On 09/10/10 02:11 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
I agree, direction from the whole community on this, now that we have
hashed it out a bit, would give clearer direction of expectations.
This could then be put to the community as a new thread and the
results could be monitored/taken into note for the f
On 09/10/10 02:41 PM, NoOp wrote:
On 10/09/2010 12:38 PM, jonathon wrote:
...
OOo in the official Ubuntu repository is version 3.1. In the PPA 3.2 is
available.
Actually, for the current stable (LTS) released version of Ubuntu
(Lucid) the version is 3.2.0 (3.2.1 in proposed):
If you are onl
On 10/09/2010 12:38 PM, jonathon wrote:
...
> OOo in the official Ubuntu repository is version 3.1. In the PPA 3.2 is
> available.
>
> jonathon
Actually, for the current stable (LTS) released version of Ubuntu
(Lucid) the version is 3.2.0 (3.2.1 in proposed):
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source
Le 2010-10-09 14:23, Scott Furry a écrit :
From what I have seen on this topic so far:
- Mac users (three? ) have commented that they do not have an issue with
the current installer.
- In the initial thread, many Windows Users indicated that an update
mechanism would be great.
- Some commented
On 10/09/2010 06:23 PM, Scott Furry wrote:
> And as suggested by the Go-OO site, the rationale for distribution was
> to avoid some of the politics and interpretations of open source that
> can occur. Packaging to me just makes sense.
+1
The current version of Thunderbird that is available in th
On 10/09/2010 03:36 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 09.10.2010 um 05:20 schrieb NoOp:
>
>> Like the OOo lists (and other gmane.org lists), posts via gmane.org
>> shouldn't also require a direct email subscription as gmane.org does
> the
>> email verification directly before allowing
Hi,
Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2010-10-09 19.50:
or just tell the people interested in this topic, that you have to add
the special way of subscription to the unsubscribe link:
discuss+unsubscribe-dig...@documentfoundation.org
discuss+unsubscribe-nom...@documentfoundation.org
You are indeed
Hi,
Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2010-10-09 19.38:
If you had read the other mails in this thread, you should have noticed
that the "nomail" option of the list allows to subscribe without being
sent any mail.
So why can't you accept this as workaround?
thanks Bernhard! Indeed, my workload is qu
On 2010/10/09 11:46 AM Bernhard Dippold wrote:
If we are able to work with normal workload, allowing postings from Gmane would
be a topic.
As it was possible at OpenOffice.org, I'm quite sure it would be possible for
our lists too.
But please let's pend this topic for some more weeks - it i
IMO, the discussion on packaging seems strange considering that quite
a few open source sites I visited in the last couple of days most have
some form of downloads available for the different distribution:
PostgreSQL and Go-OO being just a couple of examples.
And as suggested by the Go-OO sit
Hi Sophie,
Sophie Gautier skrev 2010-10-09 19:26:
I volunteer to work on this if you need me and also
to produce the test cases relative to the new features.
Also, we should not miss the power of the NLC on this testing tasks,
if we organize a simple and powerful workflow with a localization
pr
У суб, 09. 10 2010. у 19:26 +0200, Sophie Gautier пише:
> I should ask also if some teams use the screenshot ability for
> localization.
we do, we do, we do! :)
It should be possible to run the VCLTestTool automatically on the
nightly builds (or whatever other frequency is set).
Thinking about
On 2010-10-09 1:18 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> Why would I want to receive emails from this list when I can read and
> reply through Gmane's News Server (NNTP) ?
???
What do you think NOMAIL means? If you subscribe to the nomail version,
you don't receive any emails.
--
Best regards,
Charles
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Friedrich Strohmaier schrieb:
Hi Volker, *,
Volker Heggemann schrieb:
Hi Florian,
same problem at my side. I couldn't get out of the digest list?!
I don't know why?
what was the link used for unsubscribing digest uses a link different
from the one in the footer of each mail.
Send a mail
Hi Larry,
Larry Gusaas schrieb:
On 2010/10/09 10:46 AM Florian Effenberger wrote:
[...]
on our side, only senders who are subscribed to the list can post to
it. I won't change this, as otherwise every spammer can just flood the
list with emails.
Florian
Allowing posting from Gmane without
Hi Larry,
Larry Gusaas schrieb:
On 2010/10/09 10:49 AM Bernhard Dippold wrote:
In my opinion Gmane posting is an additional nice-to-have feature,
that can be improved, when time allows it.
... especially if there is a workaround (subscribe-nomail) ...
That is not a workaround. The purpose of
Hi Volker, *,
Volker Heggemann schrieb:
>Hi Florian,
>same problem at my side. I couldn't get out of the digest list?!
>I don't know why?
what was the link used for unsubscribing digest uses a link different
from the one in the footer of each mail.
Send a mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundatio
Hi Thorsten,
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Thorsten Behrens
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> as we start to ramp up more infrastructure, I'd like to make
> you think about what's crucially needed to do QA for LibreOffice
> 3.3.
>
> First of all, this is what we currently have:
>
> * a LibreOffice technical l
On 2010/10/09 10:49 AM Bernhard Dippold wrote:
In my opinion Gmane posting is an additional nice-to-have feature, that can be improved, when
time allows it.
... especially if there is a workaround (subscribe-nomail) ...
That is not a workaround. The purpose of Gmane is to treat a email list
On 2010/10/09 10:47 AM Charles Marcus wrote:
I for one am glad that posting is only allowed by subscribers. Imho
there was far too much noise on the old OOo lists due to postings being
allowed by non-subscribers.
Agreed about the noise. However that has nothing to do with Gmane. The non-subsc
On 2010/10/09 10:46 AM Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hi Larry,
Larry Gusaas wrote on 2010-10-09 18.36:
Gmane is a newsgroup. They require verification of the the sender before
they post the message. This serves the same purpose as subscribing to
this list. Any senders of spam can be removed.
I
Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote:
> Integrating without testing could be dangerous and for a few people
> testing every branch (CWS) it would be boring. We can leave this
> discussion for latter, but for now testtool is not one of the most
> important things on QA, since we can test everything manually.
>
Hi Larry,
Larry Gusaas schrieb:
On 2010/10/09 4:36 AM Florian Effenberger wrote:
[...]
of course we do require subscription for people who want to subscribe to
mailing lists. Otherwise, we'd be the victim of spam very soon.
Gmane is a newsgroup. They require verification of the the sender be
On 2010-10-09 12:36 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> It is redundant to require the user to subscribe to the mailing list in
> order to post through Gmane. The page at
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss clearly
> states "Status: posting allowed".
>
> If subscription to the mailin
Hi Larry,
Larry Gusaas wrote on 2010-10-09 18.36:
Gmane is a newsgroup. They require verification of the the sender before
they post the message. This serves the same purpose as subscribing to
this list. Any senders of spam can be removed.
It is redundant to require the user to subscribe to th
On 2010/10/09 4:36 AM Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hi,
Am 09.10.2010 um 05:20 schrieb NoOp:
Like the OOo lists (and other gmane.org lists), posts via gmane.org
shouldn't also require a direct email subscription as gmane.org does
the
email verification directly before allowing a user to post
On 2010-10-09 10:48 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> Just tossing this out as an idea..
>
> Put together a 2 minute mock-up
>
> http://educoo.us/index-nabble.html
It really isn't necessary imho... like I said, a cut+paste from the
Contact page of the entire List section (replace with a short note about
Hi Gianluca, *,
Gianluca Turconi schrieb:
>Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:
>> Too late! You missed the train. Your old (former good) mailadress is
>> online - well prepared food for the next harvester coming around
>> which now can grab two adresses from You ;o))
>Yeah, I know, but maybe a ad bot cr
On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 14:49 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-09 14.30:
> > Thanks, but... I meant that everything on the Contact page for the Lists
> > section should be there -
> >
> > List descriptions, subscribe/unsub instructions/links, links
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
>> KDE does not offer binaries as a rule. There are Mandriva binaries on
>> the KDE ftp server, but that is the only distribution that has
>> binaries on the KDE server. Further, I do not think that those are
>> actually produced by KDE itself, KD
Governance principles are more important than ownership
In working through situations of disagreement, it is better to
focus on applying governance principles rather than determining
who has ultimate authority, as over-reliance on the latter can
short-circuit opport
Legitimate decisions are made with reference to the the vision, mission,
and values of the organization.
All decisions, but particularly ones about which there is
disagreement, should *not* be made arbitrarily but should be in
keeping with the vision, mission, and
Filling a role is a matter of taking responsibility, not imposing one's
will.
We believe in making progress through giving clear
responsibilities to individuals.
Taking responsibility for something is not the same as
ownership, rather stewardship for an ar
Agreement-seeking culture
We desire to create an agreement-seeking culture.
That is, we endeavor to make plans and reach decisions based on
achieving wide-spread agreement. Agreement-seeking is not the
same as consensus, as consensus tries for universal ag
On 2010-10-09 8:51 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> thanks for the nice words, much appreciated! Yes, indeed, I did some
> top posting because of less time, but I've just switched the account
> from Apple Mail to Thunderbird, which gives some more improvements
> and hopefully also helps me in quoti
Hi,
Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2010-10-09 14.08:
For Florian (and others working nearly as hard as him) I want to have an
exception:
If he takes the time to reply instead of working on our infrastructure
and all the other stuff necessary for us to start working in our
preferred area of the comm
Hi Charles,
Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-09 14.30:
Thanks, but... I meant that everything on the Contact page for the Lists
section should be there -
List descriptions, subscribe/unsub instructions/links, links to
archives, etc...
So, basically just a copy/paste from the Contact page of all
On 2010-10-09 8:30 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
> On 2010-10-08 9:08 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>> Am 08.10.2010 um 22:49 schrieb Charles Marcus:
>>> But I currently get a 404 error... this should be a page containing
>>> information for all of the lists ie, dupe the stuff about the lists on
>>> t
On 2010-10-09 12:42 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
> Yes, you are right. But in this case the service would be offered to
> them and it would be up to the distros to either use it or not. Or the
> user of that particular distro would then have the option of installing
> it if wished.
And if they don't it is
On 2010-10-08 9:08 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 08.10.2010 um 22:49 schrieb Charles Marcus:
>
>> But I currently get a 404 error... this should be a page containing
>> information for all of the lists ie, dupe the stuff about the lists on
>> this page:
>
> thanks - have fixed that
On 2010-10-09 8:08 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> Generally we use "inline reply" (below the phrase our reply is related
> to) in combination with removing all the irrelevant parts of a mail.
>
> Top posting should be avoided, but in my eyes it could be considered, if
> the posting relates to the e
Hi Harold, all,
Harold Fuchs schrieb:
[...]
PS Are we top posting? There will be flak.
Generally we use "inline reply" (below the phrase our reply is related
to) in combination with removing all the irrelevant parts of a mail.
Top posting should be avoided, but in my eyes it could be consid
Thanks!
Am 09.10.2010 um 13:19 schrieb Harold Fuchs:
> Thanks. I "kick started" the Gmane group with an OT message to the list.
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Florian,
Thanks. I "kick started" the Gmane group with an OT message to the list.
Regards, Harold
PS Are we top posting? There will be flak.
On 9 October 2010 11:37, Florian Effenberger
wrote:
> Hi Harold,
>
> there has been no message on the users list since GMANE joined. The
> group will work
Le 2010-10-09 06:36, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
Hi,
Am 09.10.2010 um 05:20 schrieb NoOp:
Like the OOo lists (and other gmane.org lists), posts via gmane.org
shouldn't also require a direct email subscription as gmane.org does
the
email verification directly before allowing a user to post
Hi Harold,
there has been no message on the users list since GMANE joined. The
group will work as soon as the first message arrived.
Florian
Am 09.10.2010 um 10:51 schrieb Harold Fuchs:
> I saw a message that the technical support mail list
> us...@libreoffice.orghas been set up.
>
> I went to
Hi,
Am 09.10.2010 um 05:20 schrieb NoOp:
> Like the OOo lists (and other gmane.org lists), posts via gmane.org
> shouldn't also require a direct email subscription as gmane.org does
the
> email verification directly before allowing a user to post to a list.
So
> perhaps some added tuning with gma
Hi Nguyen, all
would you mind continuing this discussion on the forwarded thread on the
website list (webs...@libreofffice.org)?
I just replied there:
http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/msg00039.html
It's not easy to keep two threads on the same topic in view.
Be
Nguyen Vu Hung schrieb
I saw a message that the technical support mail list
us...@libreoffice.orghas been set up.
I went to http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/ and scrolled down to
the section on us...@libreoffice.org
I clicked the link: GMANE:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user
Hi,
Am 09.10.2010 05:00, schrieb Caio Tiago Oliveira:
Also, I don't know if there is someone here that knows how to write
the testtool scripts here contributing with this project.
The question is if we have someone willing to learn this. The
dosumentation for the scripts is quite good. With
Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote:
Per Eriksson, what do you need on the server to run QATrack?
I don'tspeak for Per, but until I maintained it QATrack was a rather
standard LAMP application and, as far as I could see,this is still the
case. But Andre' already clarified that qatrack.services.openoffi
Hello,
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 4:28 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrot
e:
> I agree with Florian that hiding addresses doesn't help much, and the
> disadvantages are greater (for me). I vote to leave the lists as they
> are. But we do need to add to the warning on the signup page.
>
This is an example on
On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 07:28:01 +1000
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 14:38 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am 08.10.2010 um 10:13 schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier:
> >
> > >> I believe this should be prevented. I just found in docs that
> > >> there
> > is
> > >> a
Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:
Too late! You missed the train. Your old (former good) mailadress is
online - well prepared food for the next harvester coming around which
now can grab two adresses from You ;o))
Yeah, I know, but maybe a ad bot crawler may have mercy of me since I
used that addres
jonathon wrote:
Note # 3: I'm assuming that Sun, Inc was the sole copyright owner, for
code added to OOo during the years it ran the project. If it wasn't,
the other copyright owners need to have their names added;
Well, there were/are code parts that were/are distributed *with* the
binaries
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