I'm in the process of renovating my two-story house (built in 1907), and
I'm trying to design a multi-zone whole-house audio system. I'd like to
get some feedback on my plans outlined below.
DESIGN GOALS
Ability to play different MP3s (and Internet radio stations) in
different rooms at the
rudholm Wrote:
And despite how impotent the Ultra 5 is (no disrespect meant, I've been
a SPARC user since SPARC-1) it would be enough for running slimserver
as long as he didn't do too much simultaneous real-time transcoding.
No offense taken.
That indeed what I was trying to get at with
pfarrell Wrote:
Some of this realy depends on your usage model.
The SlimDevices SqueezeBox hardware has an embedded microcontroller
that can decode PCM, FLAC and MP3 in the fly, real time.
So if you are streaming to one of them, you are done.
If you are thinking of using a software
DrJ Wrote:
That indeed what I was trying to get at with my question. Simple data
streaming does not take much horsepower, and while the Ultra 5 will not
blind anyone with its speed, it is plenty good enough for filling a
simple Ethertube. Still, it is pretty small, consumes little power,
Hi Nigel
Not sure if you are still around, but I have the same problem as you
and I have the same router. I have tried lots of things suggested on
posts in these forums (wired vs wireless, software upgrades/downgrades,
performance monitoring, firewall settings, etc) and stuff from tech
support
Is there anything you would change to make it better, cheaper or easier?
How about a Squeezebox in each of those 11 rooms instead of a Nokia
770? Maybe you don't plan on Nokias for every room. If so, that's
going to be an obstacle to convenience as someone goes searching for a
controller so
radish Wrote:
Except that just because the player is switched off doesn't mean the
server wants to forget about it. You still want to see which players
are connected, and maybe switch them on. That requires an active
connection. Sure you could drop the connection on power off and bring
it
I had buffer problems and they vanished when I moved from 6.2.1 to
6.5b1.
Sean.
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No - I tried both unplugging the power from the SB and also stopping the
SS process - this seems to be a generic PC problem, but I'm hoping that
someone here will have come across the same.
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Can't open the ZIP - it comes back with 'The compressed (zipped)Folder
is invalid or corrupted'.
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Can't open the ZIP - it comes back with 'The compressed (zipped)Folder
is invalid or corrupted'.
Right click - download the link (or don't use MSIE). This seems to be a
well known problem with Internet Explorer...
The plugin has been integrated into the latest nightly builds of
http://tinyurl.com/gcghf
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The current architecture is that clients are responsible for connecting
to the server [not the other way round]
To ensure there is always a connection to receive screen updates and
send keypresses, the client therefore needs to maintain the session.
If the client detects the session has failed
I'm on SlimServer Version: 6.5b1 - 6856 - Windows Server 2003 - EN -
cp1252 firmware v37 is this a stable version. I'm trying to find a
reasonably stable 6.5b1 and stick with it.
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I just built the current squeezeslave client on linux, after making the
gettimeofday changes, thanks Gerry.
The latest version is chewing up 96% of the available CPU on my P4
2.4GHz box. My slimserver runs on a separate machine.
The older SVN version 6089 (aka version 0.4.1) I'd been using for
My player is giving me the following when I try to play from music from
my hard drive-Problem-Can't Open File For-.
My player plays Internet Radio fine so I know it's connecting
wirelessly.
Anyone have this problem before and if so, how did you fix it.
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DrJ Wrote:
I've not used iTunes or Windows music formats much. Some sort of front
end is useful, particularly for my granddaughter, but as you can
probably tell, I've not used any of them much. How fragmented is this
part of the world? Are these sorts of format conversions possible (at
mjohnson Wrote:
My player is giving me the following when I try to play from music from
my hard drive-Problem-Can't Open File For-.
My player plays Internet Radio fine so I know it's connecting
wirelessly.
Anyone have this problem before and if so, how did you fix it.
Thanks.
A few
IME this sort of message usually means that the file has been deleted,
moved or renamed, or that slimserver doesn't have permission to read
it.
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mark13 wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/gcghf
You should probably point out that the auction is in german.
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kdf Wrote:
go into the softsqueeze prefs. try selecting different audio drivers.
If you haven't installed the java mp3 plugin, try that. If you have
and you are using it, try going back to jlayer.
-k
Yes, I think that is the issue! My prefs had been set to use java mp3
plugin. I
First try an unencrypted wireless connection. If that doesn't work, you
have a fundamental wireless problem. Try updating the router firmware,
the SB firmware or both. As indicated, SB firmware 37 contains some
very significant wireless improvements.
Then try WEP and then WPA with very simple
Don't try only reflashing the Xilinx, try a complete reset - press and
hold ADD while unplugging and replugging the power.
It's solved stuttering issues for some - no sound might be related:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=100595postcount=17
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Certainly I agree it's worth taking out the WEP security, that's one
more think to complicate the issue. In my case, I had to get a firmware
upgrade from Linksys to make it work.
If the address the SB is getting is one of the 169.254 type, you should
use a static IP like 192.168.N.XXX where XXX
I currently have SlimServer running on a Mac Mini, with music stored on
a Linsys NAS - EFG250. Looking for more storage, would prefer
rack-mount (going in the basement network rack), but comparing the
ReadyNAS rack-mount to the NV model, the NV has better performance, so
leaning in that
FIXED!!!
I looked at my settings and for some reason, my external hd renamed
itself F: from E: and my music files were listed under E:
I just reset my server to look under F: instead of E:
What a relief!
Love my Squeezebox!
Thanks for the responses.
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JJZolx Wrote:
The speed differences between lesser hardware and something beefier are
mostly noticed in user interface responsiveness and library scanning
times. ...
It's the user interface, particularly the web interface that I use
almost exclusively, where I can't tolerate long waits.
tom permutt Wrote:
Yes, there is software to convert between formats and also play them on
the PC. dBPowerAmp is one option. It will play files in the cool
kids flac format and also convert most anything to most anything else
you might want. There is a small charge for the MP3 encoder, if
Hoorah!
I've downloaded the latest nightly build, with firmware version 37 and
wireless now works, with WPA encryption!
:-)
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Highbitrate mp3 will still sound pretty good on your average low-end
hifi, so unless you have a good to high-end system, you may not need to
use FLAC for audiophile reasons.
However, FLAC is a) lossless and b) opensource. Whether that makes it
a sensible choice for anyone who doesn't want to
I would suggest using squeezeslave rather than SoftSqueeze; it's not
graphical, but it is more reliable and lightweight.
Also, an $8 sound card probably won't sound very good...
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Siduhe Wrote:
FLAC is a) lossless and b) opensource. ... You can't use FLAC on most
portable music players (and things like WMP need plugins), but as it's
lossless, it's easy to convert them to a seperate library (see the
great script that someone here wrote called flac to mp3).
HTH
Does anyone have any experinece using Twonky with slim Devices products.
I use Twonky on a maxtor Shared storeage plus hard drive, this means i
donot have to keep my computer on all the time, works ok with a denon
AVR 4306 but i want to use another device elsewhere in the house. One
other
OK, so have downloaded the nightly version, but rather than install I
was hoping to patch the plugin into my 6.2.2 version - how do I do that
? Tried putting the plugin in the tree, but I guess there is more to do
(something to do with the CPAN API?). As I am unable to download the
prevent
Have now tracked down what was causing this - Norton AntiVirus includes
a 'NetDetect' scheduled job that runs every 5 minutes. Not sure what it
does, but I went into the scheduler (Control Panel/Scheduler, selecting
properties with a right click on the netdetect item), and ticked the
'Only start
I just renovated a house of similar age, with similar goals in mind.
However, did a few things differently
Chose to store library in FLAC rather than MP3 to improve sound
quality. Then I use a Perl script (available in foums) to keep a
synched copy of library in MP3 on a laptop. Library
I would have to agree with netim3. I am in the process of redoing my
house which was built some 200 years ago. I am running cat5 cable to
most rooms, mainly for use by Squeezeboxes, but I also see other uses
coming along soon, such as IPTV and other equipment that will in future
become networked.
JJZolx Wrote:
My experience synching Softsqueeze with just one Squeezebox hasn't been
great. Maybe with Richard now working for Slim Devices Softsqueeze will
be made more robust, but right now it's convenient in certain
applications (e.g. listening to the library while I'm at work) but
Does anyone have any experinece using Twonky with slim Devices products.
I don't.
I use Twonky on a maxtor Shared storeage plus hard drive, this means i
donot have to keep my computer on all the time, works ok with a denon
AVR 4306 but i want to use another device elsewhere in the house.
I made a few changes to the prevent standby plugin as it did not appear
in the plugin list and also was not preventing my PC from going to
standby.
When I enabled d_plugins I saw no debug info. Anyway, the entire
updated plugins/PreventStandby/Plugin.pm is in this post.
the .de bit gives it away :-) Nobody warned me that this site is in
English (mostly, mostly American English, mostly Internet English).
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I would have to agree with netim3. I am in the process of redoing my
house which was built some 200 years ago. I am running cat5 cable to
most rooms, mainly for use by Squeezeboxes, but I also see other uses
coming along soon,
Hi there, wonder if any of you guys can help on this one.
I'd been having some problems with my wireless connection dropping and
noting that 6.2.2 was supposed to address some of these issues i
thought i'd give it a try. I downloaded and applied (and also got FW37
at the same time).
6.2.2
Right, thanks for your thoughts here is where we are at.
Firstly I had tried some of the items mentioned and am an IT manager so
have a good knowledge of networking.
Here is what I have done and what the results are.
Removed all security on the router (MAC filtering, hide SSID and WPA).
Bingo
fot the hell of it I tried enabling broadcast of my ssid and what do you
know - everything is now ok! Tried disabling it again and everything
stops - and SB2 shows 0% network signal! Re-enable again and all is
sweet!.
FRom a security point of view I've always avoided having ssid broadcast
but
Have a look at my posting about DHCP and Wireless. I think we may both
be suffering from some upgrade that has stopped things working. Either
from Microsoft or Slimdevices.
mcgoverg Wrote:
Hi there, wonder if any of you guys can help on this one.
I'd been having some problems with my
6.2.2 install didn't work - got continual 'starting slimserver' message
but never got to 'slimserver running'.
Current builds are broken. You'll have to get a build before 0406.
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mherger Wrote:
6.2.2 install didn't work - got continual 'starting slimserver'
message
but never got to 'slimserver running'.
Current builds are broken. You'll have to get a build before 0406.
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Help
Reading through the forums it appears that there is a problem with the
latest builds with some routers having issues with WPA.
So I am now back to WEP though I have managed to hide my SSID and put
the MAC filtering on so I ought to be grateful for that.
I could have got by with my SB1 to do
Thanks Mark,
I just want to be sure,
could you confirm me the correct sequence.
1-Install the latest Silmserver software (ex;6.51)
2-Upgrade to the latest firmware (hold Brightness)
3-Power Cycle-Hold 1 - ReFlash xilinx
4-Power Cycle-Hold Add-Reset to default value
I try several time to reset
Are you listening via Slimserver or SqueezeNetwork? Does one work but
not the other?
I recently had problems gettings some Windows Media streams (which is
what I think those two you mentioned are) via SqueezeNetwork. I managed
to fix it by deleting my SB listing on the SqueezeNetwork web page,
mcgoverg Wrote:
FRom a security point of view I've always avoided having ssid broadcast
but for now I guess i'll live with it.
Hiding SSID turns out not to be a valid security measure. See
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=43:
There is no such thing as SSID hiding. You're only hiding
mftech Wrote:
Thanks Mark,
I just want to be sure,
could you confirm me the correct sequence.
1-Install the latest Silmserver software (ex;6.51)
Well 6.5 has bugs of its own, it's beta/experimental software.
6.2.2 is much more stable.
2-Upgrade to the latest firmware (hold Brightness)
Wow, thanks for all the quick responses! You guys are awesome.
How about a Squeezebox in each of those 11 rooms instead of a Nokia 770?
I was only planning to buy one Nokia 770. Sorry, I wasn't very clear
above. I have a couple of laptops (one on each floor) that I can also
use as
Although no sound and stuttering can also be caused by other problems:
Most obvious being firewalling port 9000, or a broken firewall (::
cough:: nvidia...) mangling packets.
These would not necessarily affect softsqueeze, especially not on
localhost, since it wouldn't be going through the same
On Apr 9, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Mark Lanctot wrote:
3-Power Cycle-Hold 1 - ReFlash xilinx
4-Power Cycle-Hold Add-Reset to default value
Generally you shouldn't have to do this, but if you're encountering no
sound or stuttering problems it's worth a try. Also I suspect that a
factory reset
Don't keep the only copy of your music library on a laptop which gets
taken to bars, that's just asking for trouble. I also DJ from a laptop
and it just has a subset of my entire collection, which is stored on
(two, redundant) servers in my apartment. Paranoid yes, but the thought
of losing all
Couple of points no security in its own right will stop someone getting
access to your network but the more levels you put in place the more
likely a hacker is to use your next door neighbours unsecured network
rather than yours so I think hiding the SSID is still a valid measure
that you can
So changes have been made in the recent firmware to improve WPA
compatibility with many wireless routers. I now have reports that these
changes have actually broken WPA for a couple of routers. Could you
please let me know the make, model and firmware version of the router
you are using so I can
V1.02.04 on a Netgear DG834GT (Europe) is no good. I have however got
this working OK now on My Belkin Pre-N Router
Firmware Version
1.00.06
Boot Version
2.01.08
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Don't keep the only copy of your music library on a laptop which gets
taken to bars
I use 'Carbon Copy Cloner' (http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html)
to back up my PowerBook's hard drive to a 'LaCie d2 Hard Drive Extreme
with Triple Interface'
Windows can address multiple sound cards but the application does have
to support it as well. Not sure what Softsqueeze/squeezeslave can do
in this area.
You could centrally-locate a bunch of Squeezeboxes and amps and
distribute the sound from there. Although 10 Squeezeboxes would be
about
oreillymj Wrote:
The main problem was that the code was missing a use Win32::API;
statement.
err.. the code doesn't seem to be missing the use Win32::API..
just take a look in the zip.
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I am getting ready to set up my soon to be delivered SB3 in my bedroom
(I already own an SB2 which is in my main AV system). The room layout
can be seen in the attached photo.
The SB3 will be on-wall mounted right between the closet doors and the
amplifier will go on the shelf in the closet (I
I've been pretty happy with my ADCOMs. They seem to me to be excellent
amps without being expensive just for the sake of being expensive.
Good two-channel ADCOM amps can be had for 1000$ easily.
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DrJ Wrote:
Lossless and Open Source are both good, as long as the format catches
on. Some do and some don't. It does seem like a good choice for
storing a master format as is my interest.
Am I understanding you correctly that things like WMP or RealPlayer can
do a client-side format
DrJ Wrote:
I've seen two comments now on the cool kids FLAC format. Any reason
for the modifier? Sometimes the cool kids are right, sometimes they
are lead more by religious issues (such as Micro$oft is evil). What
the deal?I didn't mean to imply anything negative. I use flac. I'm not
My primary concern is not so much with having keep-alive packets, just
the frequency. Like some other users have mentioned, when the network
icon in the system tray is on 100% I normally find that an indicator
that something may be running on my system that I'm not aware of, when
everything else
Just interested - why do you ask for peoples suggestions and then say,
actually, you're not?
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I use 'Carbon Copy Cloner' (http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html) to
back up my PowerBook's hard drive to a 'LaCie d2 Hard Drive Extreme with
Triple Interface'
(http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10058).
I work at home as a web developer. My PowerBook is my
I'm trying to listen to an iTunes Smart Playlist. It shows songs in it
in iTunes, and in the Slimserver Web interface. But when I try to play
it via the Squeezebox, the screen just says EMPTY. My other playlists
work, including other smart playlists. Any ideas?
Mac OS X 10.4.6, iTunes 6.0.4,
Says here Versand nach Deutschland.
Does that mean you won't sell it outside of Germany, or you just didn't
include a shipping price?
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Are people starting to think about cat6 for new installations rather
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I think if you change the clock settings to only show hours and minutes,
it only sends the new clock once a minute.
I don't think the keep alive packets are all that frequent ... 30
second intervals? I can't recall right now.
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BTW, I've noticed that the windows system tray icon for showing network
activity is heavily biased. Very low but steady activity levels make it
shine bright, as if megabytes per second were being transferred.
A better tool would be the performance monitor.
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rudholm Wrote:
Yes, there are FLAC plugins for most popular players; XMMS, WinAMP,
WMP...
That's good to know -- thanks!
I get about 3 CDs per GB with FLAC, which is what, about a dime per CD
in disk space?
That's pretty good compression, actually. IIRC, Sony settled on 500GB
per CD
Michaelwagner Wrote:
I think if you change the clock settings to only show hours and minutes,
it only sends the new clock once a minute.
I was using that in that graph in the first page of this thread. When
I switch the display to show seconds, the outgoing activity increases
to 2.7 kB/s.
I ran some rough numbers for the different options based on 11 zones.
The costs below don't include labor and materials for the speaker
wiring.
SONOS
(I'd have to buy a 12th player for the media room, where I was planning
to use Softsqueeze on a Mac Mini connected to a 5.1 home theater
tom permutt Wrote:
I didn't mean to imply anything negative. I use flac. I'm not
religious. It's lossless but tagged, it works well with the
SqueezeBox, and I can use flac2mp3 to maintain a parallel tree of lossy
files for a portable player.
Understood. It was just that the phrase cool
Michaelwagner Wrote:
Are people starting to think about cat6 for new installations rather
than cat5 or 5e?
I retrofitted my house with dual Cat6 all around for phone and/or
Ethernet. The four pairs are internally separated by a plastic
separator, so it's a bit thicker and stiffer than Cat5e,
bmarston Wrote:
I ran some rough numbers for the different options based on 11 zones.
The costs below don't include labor and materials for the speaker
wiring.
SONOS
(I'd have to buy a 12th player for the media room, where I was planning
to use Softsqueeze on a Mac Mini connected to a
bmarston Wrote:
*Computer-Based Players in Basement*
$772.50 computers
$1,210 amps
$605 speakers
_$350_Nokia_770_
$2,937.50 total
That does include the limits on PC's, right? You're not going to get a
dozen sound cards on a typical motherboard...
I'd still keep the SB's at the
bmarston Wrote:
I ran some rough numbers for the different options based on 11 zones.
The costs below don't include labor and materials for the speaker
wiring.
None of these solutions seem to have much basis in reality. I think
the Sonos is best suited for multi-zone use, but you _will_
Are people starting to think about cat6 for new installations rather
than cat5 or 5e?
I guess I might as well use Cat6, since I'm planning to just install
one short run.
'Cat6 FAQ' (http://www.tiaonline.org/standards/technology/cat6/faq.cfm)
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I had the same problem. Namely, I was getting silence when I played a
song and the song countdown never moved.
Thanks for this suggestion. In my case, I was using jlayer and my
audio mixer choice was primary sound driver.
When I changed the mixer to Java Sound Audio Engine the problem
See my sig. Parasound Halo A23. Meets all your requirements. Got it on
audiogon for $650, but I've seen it go for as little as $500. The one I
bought had only been used for a few hours, so it was practically brand
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rudholm Wrote:
Are you willing to reconsider your design criteria of having the players
out of sight and centrally located? The Squeezebox display really is a
nice thing and the case is attractive. They make great
nightstand/coffee table/bookshelf/dresser/etc dressing. Even when off
the
radish Wrote:
Just interested - why do you ask for peoples suggestions and then say,
actually, you're not?
I have to respectfully disagree since I don't feel that I stated or
even implied anywhere that I was not interested in amplifier
suggestions. I do have a specific set of parameters that
It [not having the SBs centrally located] would save you having to run
speaker wires to each location, as well.
I'd still have to run speaker wires from a jack in each room to the
in-ceiling speakers. I'd also have to run RCA cables from every room
to the amps in the basement, which I
I don't have one, but I've been looking at the 'AudioSource AMP 100'
(http://www.audiosource.net/amp100.html). I think it meets your
requirements. You can get one for '$110' (http://tinyurl.com/hwdge).
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Parasound Halo A23
You're right, it does meet every parameter. To bad it is such a good
looking piece to then hide it in a closet!
Two quick questions:
1. Do you find having the gain knobs on the back to be a nuisance, or
did you just set it once and forget it? I was planning to use the
bmarston Wrote:
I don't have one, but I've been looking at the 'AudioSource AMP 100'
(http://www.audiosource.net/amp100.html). I think it meets your
requirements. You can get one for '$110' (http://tinyurl.com/hwdge).
I don't know a thing about Audiosource but will do some reading and try
For me, putting all the amps in one place just wasn't an issue. This
AudioSource seems quite at home on my nightstand.
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Bottom line, the Sun Ultra 5 should be plenty of horsepower to host and
serve a sizeable collection.
It costs nothing to download the perl source and run it - on Linux, I
just start the slimserver.pl from the command line and let it run in
its own console. Point any browser on the network to
What I don't understand is why they don't make a device, both wired and
wireless, that would enable one to bring music to rooms where a display
is not needed or wanted.
To follow up on that thought, Slim Devices (or somebody else) could
make a better, cheaper version of the 'Barix Exstreamer'
If you use wired SBs you can get them for $200 each with the discount.
IMO, the display is a very important part of the whole experience. I
would much rather have the display/control unit available than just
have random music from ceiling speakers, and have to hunt around to
change tracks,
On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:49:43 -0700, bmarston
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The original posters dream solution, if Slim Devices made a display-less
device for around $150, would beat the living crap out of Sonos.
Word. If such a device existed at that price point, I'd have already
bought 11 of
FYI, before I got the A23, I had an AudioSource Amp Two for 7 years. I
had problems with the speaker terminals, which were not 5-way, so I had
to live with the audio dropping out every so often. Other than that, it
was a nice sounding amp for the price ($300). The A23 beats it hands
down, though.
On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:47:38 -0700, Jetlag
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- The only amp I specifically excluded was the T-Amp. The original
T-Amp runs on batteries (I simply don't want to mess with batteries in
a nn-portable setup), and the Super T-Amp puts out 10W @ 8 Ohm per the
manufacturers
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