Re: [discuss] Poor choice of macro language

2005-05-30 Thread Mathias Bauer
Ian Laurenson wrote: Here is an alternative bit of code, with the original code left as comments: sub Monday oCurController = ThisComponent.CurrentController oActiveSheet = oCurController.ActiveSheet ' Range(A47:AL126).Select

Re: [discuss] Re: Styles: Another consideration

2005-05-30 Thread Mathias Bauer
Shoshannah Forbes wrote: On 25/05/2005, at 20:17, Mathias Bauer wrote: But what's so bad with having the stylist open? I really like the stylist, and usually doc it to the window. However, when working on a laptop with limited screen real estate, the stylist can be problematic. You

Re: [discuss] Re: Poor choice of macro language

2005-05-30 Thread Mathias Bauer
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Also is not the language syntaxis is more about the framework of UNO which add some complexity. However another place to look is http://ext.openoffice.org.nz which is a wiki to PUSH the development of macros and add-ons. To avoid rumours ;-): it's not UNO that adds

Re: [discuss] Suggestion

2005-05-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
That is why I recommended that OOo point to Mozilla for that functionality. Mozilla's already rather mainstream, but having the official documentation point to it wouldn't hurt. If some businesses have subscribed to the monolith way of thinking, hten perhaps an arrangement can be made to

[discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Graham Lauder
Approved! Unbelievable! http://www.builderau.com.au/program/work/0,39024650,39190121,00.htm 8-( -- Graham Lauder OpenOffice.org MarCon New Zealand INGOTs Certification Assessor Trainer www.theingots.org - To

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Graham Lauder
Graham Lauder wrote: Approved! Unbelievable! http://www.builderau.com.au/program/work/0,39024650,39190121,00.htm 8-( The original article in ZDNet http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0,39020384,39200380,00.htm -- Graham Lauder OpenOffice.org MarCon New Zealand

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Alex
I agree with you, Daniel, about improvements, but, this patent is try to stake a claim on something that we have all been doing ever since we created two applications on two networked computers that communicated via some protocol. Read claim 1 and think about how broad it is. Alex Janssen

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Eric Hines
At 05/30/05 10:57, you wrote: Eric Hines wrote: Actually, the concept of patents and copyrights is a good one I'd agree about copyrights, but not patents. I think that getting a monopoly on an IDEA is ridiculous. Patent monopoly rights are very similar to copyright monopoly rights--just

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Eric Hines
At 05/30/05 11:21, you wrote: I read this patent and I think it covers every conceivable method of communication between computers done by applications, connected by any means. If this patent is enfoceable, Microsoft would own the methods of communicating on any form of communication means

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, May 30, 2005 11:57:50 AM -0400, Daniel Carrera ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Eric Hines wrote: Actually, the concept of patents and copyrights is a good one I'd agree about copyrights, but not patents. I think that getting a monopoly on an IDEA is ridiculous. Maybe you meant

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Eric Hines wrote: I'd agree about copyrights, but not patents. I think that getting a monopoly on an IDEA is ridiculous. Patent monopoly rights are very similar to copyright monopoly rights No, they are *very* different. Copyright covers works, patents cover ideas. The things you listed

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, May 30, 2005 13:43:46 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If you invent a new light bulb or an antigravity engine I should be able to use the ideas behind them to make my own bulb and antigravity engine. Absolutely yes, that's why patents have limited duration.

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, May 30, 2005 10:57:42 AM -0700, OldSarge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [two screenfuls of text snipped] To All: Does anybody know what the Linux industry's take on this patent is? Are they going to challenge it? To all: may we all avoid to retransmit every time a lot of text that every

[discuss] Re: Instructions for Uninstalling OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta for Linux

2005-05-30 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Sat, 28 May 2005 09:44:53 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: Hi all, Does anybody know where Instructions for *Uninstalling* OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta for Linux is? :) Thanks, khirano This is all covered in the setup guide for 2.0. Please see http://documentation.openoffice.org/ --

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Eric Hines
The most critical function of a patent or a copyright is that it allows the owner (I'll call this person, for now) of the thing--the invention, the implementation of an idea, etc--to assert ownership of that thing. With that ownership comes the ability to mandate, for the duration of that

[discuss] PHP for Webcast

2005-05-30 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Hi as i have been starting to play around with the OOo source code I have seen many interesting stuff i should write somewhere (wiki or blog) I have seen some interesting opportunities to start coding and fixing some of the code that it can be improved. One of this ones is the implementation of

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
M. Fioretti wrote: I can accept a copyright-style protection for your actual work. Stallman teaches us that copyright and patents are deeply different beasts, so we shouldn't mix them, but, in the interest of a stimulating and friendly discussion, I'll byte. Yes, indeed. I should have

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Alex
Daniel, All I was pointing out was that MS didn't even do what you suggested. You said since all ideas are based on relatively small modifications of old ones and that is true. They did not invent anything, although there patent would lead you to believe otherwise. *grin* Cheers back at

Re: [discuss] Bug in OpenOffice calc 1.9.79

2005-05-30 Thread CPHennessy
On Sunday 29 May 2005 19:21, + Lars Stratmann wrote: [ MODERATED ] *** Halo, I found a bug in OpenOffice calc: I had fixed my table at line seven. When I disable the fix-funktion my cursur was in the editing-modus in field B7. After disabling the fix-function the text

[discuss] Poor choice of macro language (Object Model)

2005-05-30 Thread Chris Benatar
In Response to: Ian Laurenson, The code listed below didn't work when I tried it. The original XL file has 2 sheets setup and this code prints out the whole of the second sheet. I can see that the area on the first sheet gets highlighted ie. selected, but it doesn't printout. '

[discuss] Open Office - Tamil

2005-05-30 Thread mano
Dear Sir I would like to use Openoffice in tamil. But I am unable to download it. Please kindly let me know how can I download it Regards M Sundaralingam

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
If this bothers you then write your EU representative or that of the EU country you have business or project partners in: http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN Otherwise, the situations is likely to get worse. As monopoly rents go away, look for more things

[discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-30 Thread Volk, Andrew M
I am writing to suggest that the filename of the file being edited in Writer should be in the header line (or somewhere in the frame). I am writing documents which are going through a lot of edits between me and a collaborator on the Web. To keep the versions straight, we are including the

[discuss] BetaVersion 104

2005-05-30 Thread D.Kucht
Hilfsprogramme Legt fest, welcher Dienst von welchem Programm bereitgestellt werden soll. Zugriff auf diesen Befehl... Men Extras - Optionen - OpenOffice.org - Register Hilfsprogramme Der Register fehlt in o.g. Beta-Version.

Re: [discuss] Templates

2005-05-30 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Vista Airtickets - Orosz Péter wrote: Dear All I'd like to make TEMPLATES, i.e. an archived e-mail with the Sender, Recipient,Subject, Text body, etc., which can simply be opened now and then and resent. I set which boxes (Recipient,Subject, Text body, etc.) must be filled in

Re: [discuss] MS Office Import/Export

2005-05-30 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
A Fuller wrote: Open doesn't import or export properly if the file was originally created in Word/Excel. Most data lost is when the file is saved. If you create the file in Open and save it in Word/Excel format, no data is lost when moving file between Open Word/Excel. It imports embedded

Re: [discuss] Suggestion

2005-05-30 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Wheat Wheaty wrote: Simple, HTML + PHP editing program would be great to add to the great 5 suite of openoffice! Thank you. While I don't believe they are open source, they are free. I use: http://www.mpsoftware.dk/htmlgate.php -- for HTML and http://www.mpsoftware.dk/phpdesigner.php --

Re: [discuss] openoffice 2

2005-05-30 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Bob Hunter wrote: Hello, you are doing great! Keep going. One thing I may suggest is the following. Get inspired from the mozilla project, and split the monster into individual applications. It will be easier to make progress, port to other platforms (e.g. OSX), and improve their stability and

Re: [discuss] OSS Multiple Monitor Manager...

2005-05-30 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Yes, look for shell replacements, in windows the shell is the desktop, the default is explorer.exe google for this replacements there are many that have multiple 'terminals' I use Aston. Quoting Peter Kupfer OOo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know of a OSS program

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-30 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Volk, Andrew M wrote: I am writing to suggest that the filename of the file being edited in Writer should be in the header line (or somewhere in the frame). I am writing documents which are going through a lot of edits between me and a collaborator on the Web. To keep the versions straight,

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Chris BONDE
Eric Hines wrote: Actually, the concept of patents and copyrights is a good one I'd agree about copyrights, but not patents. I think that getting a monopoly on an IDEA is ridiculous. --it compensates the inventor(s) for their efforts, and so spurs innovation I've never seen any

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Chris BONDE
On Mon, May 30, 2005 13:43:46 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Absolutely yes. That's copyright realm. But inventions and patents are different. If you come to my home, see my half dome photograph, and inspired by that go to Yosemite to make much better ones, none of us

Re: [discuss] OOO20 beta is still much weaker as ms office

2005-05-30 Thread Dave Barton
Robert, I sincerely hope you are not a troll. Although some of your emotive terminology suggests that might be. On Mon, 2005-05-30 at 18:57 +0200, Robert Horvat wrote: Hi! I try to use OOo2.0beta but i have much problems with it: What part of BETA do you not understand? CALC 1. Cell

Re: [discuss] Open Office - Tamil

2005-05-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Hello, Did you go to http://ta.openoffice.org/ ? I'm afraid I can't be very helpful because I don't know Tamil. But this page should have instructions. You could also ask this question at the Tamil mailing list: discuss@ta.openoffice.org They would be most able to help you. Best wishes,

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Chris BONDE wrote: Both copyrights and patents are monopolies on ideas, just a different way of expressing the idea. In which way is a copyright a monopoly over an idea? I believe that an expression of an idea and an idea are very different. I accept that the former should be protected, but

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Chris BONDE wrote: I like the last sentence LOL, also the reference of 'That's FOTFL FOTFL? I'm not familiar with that acronym. Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Dave Barton
On Mon, 2005-05-30 at 20:24 -0400, Daniel Carrera wrote: Chris BONDE wrote: I like the last sentence LOL, also the reference of 'That's FOTFL FOTFL? I'm not familiar with that acronym. Cheers, Daniel. Falling On The Floor Laughing. Dave

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-30 Thread Sweet Coffee
Hello All! Have either of you filed a feature request or bug report about this? I would sure vote for the option as it is in v1.1.x. SC On 5/30/05, Peter Kupfer OOo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Volk, Andrew M wrote: I am writing to suggest that the filename of the file being edited in

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-30 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Sweet Coffee wrote: Hello All! Have either of you filed a feature request or bug report about this? I would sure vote for the option as it is in v1.1.x. SC http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=17856 Be careful when entering this debate. There is a faction of OOodom that thinks

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, May 30, 2005 16:39:12 PM -0700, Chris BONDE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2005 13:43:46 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Absolutely yes. That's copyright realm. But inventions and patents are different. If you come to my home, see my half

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, May 30, 2005 16:30:36 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What? Is Daniel crazy? Did he just say not to reward hard work? I'm not crazy yet :-) and I do see where you're comming from. But I think I have an interesting, and outside-the-box thought here: What you just

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, May 30, 2005 20:23:13 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Chris BONDE wrote: Now the basic concept of rewarding a person for disclosing their idea to the world instead of keeping it a secret is good (patent). That is neither the intention, nor the effect of patents.

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, May 31, 2005 05:27:04 AM +0200, io ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I believe that this development model should be discouraged in favour of the small step model. Similar to the FOSS mantra release early, and release often. Your thesis is interesting indeed and it would be a wonderful

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
M. Fioretti wrote: You can do it with small material things which can be built with *very* little space and money, or in environments where, again unlike software, everybody plays by the same rules. But you can't release early and often new fuels, cars, microprocessors, or the extremely complex

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
M. Fioretti wrote: Another example: google for synthetic diamonds which have a lot of useful industrial applications, Indeed, and this link suggests that the existence of patents did not accelerate the creation of synthetic diamonds at any point, but at several points did slow it down:

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-05-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
M. Fioretti wrote: Now the basic concept of rewarding a person for disclosing their idea to the world instead of keeping it a secret is good (patent). That is neither the intention, nor the effect of patents. As far as I know, it indeed *is*. I (government): 1) make sure that everybody can