People buy MS products mostly because they're the only thing you *can*
buy due to a lock on the OEMs.
Probably a more cost effective step would be to first get the OEM
contracts into the daylight. MS claims that they are 'trade secrets' or
some such nonsense. Getting at those would be a
Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If you don't like ODF, please, feel free to continue trusting Microsoft
with your data. Eventually, you will lose the freedom to jump ship
thanks to the DMCA.
It's not that simple a choice. The mere existence of OOo means
CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thirdly, how would you compare MS Office's Exquation Editor with the
editor provided in Open Office
I've never used either. However many others seem to think that OOo Math
editors is quite good.
There's a horrible bug in v2,
Le vendredi 28 octobre 2005 à 08:14 +, Andrew Brown a écrit :
Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Microsoft only cares that you keep using their
products and giving them your money; they really don't care whether or
not you can use a competing product.
Hi CPH,
CPHennessy wrote:
[...]
This list is generally an English only mailing list. If you would like to
communicate in your own language then please have a look at
http://es.openoffice.org - Mailing list or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It seems that Jonathan speaks French ;)
Kind regards
Pble wrote:
1) I believe it would be relatively simple to add a function that
automatically fills in the
This is one of those functions that is much more difficult than it looks.
2) Japanese companies often use a single or a few kanji..ncased in a circle,
Use Draw to create the appropriate
Cono wrote:
No, you just need ONE extra style for each extra language. Read my previous
message.
What you recommend in that message works only if the document hs _one_
pragraph style. The moment you need two or more paragraph styles,
that hve multi-lingual text in them, you need a chrcter
Shoshannah wrote:
should be able to handle mixed language documents transparently,
Set the default Western language to English, and default CTL language
to Hebrew. I don't remember if different fonts re required. [I use
different fonts, purely becuase I think that David looks better than
Lucida
Bonjour Jonathan,
Jonathan Nicolas wrote:
Je ne sais pas trop si c'est la bonne adresse mail pour vous
l'envoyer, c'est un problème avec Open Office 2.0 téléchargé
aujourd'hui; ce problème existait avec les versions bêtas et
certainement Release candidate:
lorsque je veux mettre un point dans
Le vendredi 28 octobre 2005 à 09:13 +, Jonathon Blake a écrit :
Cono wrote:
No, you just need ONE extra style for each extra language. Read my previous
message.
What you recommend in that message works only if the document hs _one_
pragraph style. The moment you need two or more
Friday, October 28, 2005 Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
you can't have multiple character styles for the same
text
Is this really? If this is really the case, then *this* is
the real problem, not so much that language selection is implemented
via styles.
Coming from WordPerfect, whose style
Nicolas wrote:
- and I may be wrong there, but can you apply multiple character styles to
the same word
Each character in a word can have a different character style. A
character may only have one character style and one paragraph style,
though.
Separating language from styles would permit
Giuseppe wrote:
you can't have multiple character styles for the same text
Is this really?
Depends upon what is meant by can't have multiple character styles in
the same text.
I've written documents where I liberally tossed Greek, Hebrew, Latin,
Chinese, and Afrikaans together into the same
Hi johnatan
Now if you want pink Russian, followed by a purple Russian chracter,
you can do that, but have to create a pink Russian character style and
a purple Russian character style.
yes, moreover, the purple Russian style has only to depend on the pink one
Styles are hierarchical and
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 10:39 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Now if you remove the zealot part I'll say they care very much after
interoperability. They support multiple non-Linux filesystems, have
samba, wine, etc. No one in the industry has gone so far to communicate
gracefully with other
Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
No, you just need ONE extra style for each extra language.
I understood that. Yours suggestion works as is only if you don't
need text both to be in the other language AND use a different custom
character style. However, since I already use custom character
Friday, October 28, 2005 Jonathon Blake wrote:
Giuseppe wrote:
you can't have multiple character styles for the same text
Is this really?
Depends upon what is meant by can't have multiple character styles in
the same text.
I mean you cannot apply multiple 'soft' character style to the
Chad Smith wrote:
On 10/27/05, cono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I saw a message from you passing swifty to my bin ;-) You wrote that you
do indeed support OOo. Well, no doubt about that from me.
As I see your role: you want to prevent people from being to naive,
eye-shelved, optimistic,
Le vendredi 28 octobre 2005 à 10:27 +, Jonathon Blake a écrit :
Nicolas wrote:
- and I may be wrong there, but can you apply multiple character styles to
the same word
Each character in a word can have a different character style. A
character may only have one character style and
Le vendredi 28 octobre 2005 à 10:41 +, Jonathon Blake a écrit :
Giuseppe wrote:
you can't have multiple character styles for the same text
Is this really?
Depends upon what is meant by can't have multiple character styles in
the same text.
What is meant is select whole sentence
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:37:32 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote:
There shouldn't be any special treatment. Install OOo right away. If any
of your users starts OOo the first time a user profile will be created
automatically and the startup wizard is used to collect some information.
-net is not
Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Of course by inserting zealot here you've answered your own question.
I didn't mean that everyone who uses linux is a zealot. I do my own backups
to a linux server. But linux zealot does cover some of the attitudes that
you
M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:20051028085533.GD4077
@mclink.it:
In any case, please just ignore your (or my) own files. Nobody else
cares about them. This is about millions of public and corporate
documents which is essential to keep COMPLETELY legible in fifty years
time.
Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
This supposes the original document is properly styled, when you are not
the original author just a poor translator you have to work with what
people give you. You're not paid to re-do the styling of the whole
document just
On 10/28/05, M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any case, please just ignore your (or my) own files. Nobody else
cares about them. This is about millions of public and corporate
documents which is essential to keep COMPLETELY legible in fifty years
time. WHATEVER they contain. Be it
Laurent Godard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
yes, moreover, the purple Russian style has only to depend on the pink
one Styles are hierarchical and inherit the properties thta are not
altered
The trouble is that there's no way -- except in a macro -- to say inherit
This article got just out on Slashdot:
Developers: MS Office 12 To Utilize ODF?
Posted by Zonk on Friday October 28, @02:35PM
from the humble-pie dept.
[ Microsoft ]
J. Random Luser writes Groklaw is carrying a story about
Microsoft quietly engaging a French company to develop Open
Document
Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What is meant is select whole sentence and apply italic+variable
character style, then select greek word in sentence and set greek
language (without loosing the italic+variable styling)
but you can!
Sub SetSwedish
dim
Chad Smith wrote:
50 years
There is one format ... that existed 50 years ago that is
still in use today - ...
It's called *PAPER*.
If something is important enough to be needed 50 years from now, I
sure as heck hope *SOMEONE* has the forethought to print it out!
You may be interested
Andrew Brown wrote:
Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thank you for demonstrating your inability to grasp basic concepts even
after they've been explained a dozen times to you.
Guys you are wasting your time. I have been working in education for 27
years and
cono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I understood that. Yours suggestion works as is only if you don't
need text both to be in the other language AND use a different custom
character style. However, since I already use custom character styles,
and you can't have
Jonathon Blake wrote:
Chad wrote:
I never had a single problem other than fonts transfer files from one to
The only time I successfully transfer documents between MSOffice97,
MSOffice2K and MSOfficeXP, is when I rewrite the entire 500 page
document either from scratch, or transcribing the
On 10/28/05, Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something like DRM and the DMCA will make the problem even worse.
Crackers and black hats are not a suitable solution for a librarian.
Why do I care about librarians? Do you really think libraries will *exist*
in 50 years?
If I need the
Jesus, Chad, you're hopeless.
Chad Smith wrote:
On 10/28/05, Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something like DRM and the DMCA will make the problem even worse.
Crackers and black hats are not a suitable solution for a librarian.
Why do I care about librarians? Do you really think
Friday, October 28, 2005 Andrew Brown wrote:
but you can!
Sub SetSwedish
dim aLocale as new com.sun.star.lang.Locale
aLocale.Language=sv
aLocale.Country=SE
oDoc=thiscomponent
otext=oDoc.getCurrentController.getViewCursor().getText
oTC=oText.createTextCursorByRange(otext)
'
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 16:54 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Bzzt
Appart the fact that a paper version is a definite information loss and
costs much more in storage, modern office paper just degrades too fast
to be any help for archiving.
Also vulnerable to catastrophic loss as in the libraries
On 10/28/05, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I doubt librarians care very much about you either. Digital libraries
will certainly exist. Librarians' jobs might change but there will still
be people who look after and manage the information. Have you ever been
in a library, Chad?
Yes, but
Chad Smith wrote:
On 10/28/05, M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any case, please just ignore your (or my) own files. Nobody else
cares about them. This is about millions of public and corporate
documents which is essential to keep COMPLETELY legible in fifty years
time. WHATEVER they
Giuseppe Bilotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
As far as I see, this is just hardcoding the language, so
it's not about the use of Styles. And this is not what we're
talking about.
But it is what we are talking about. A language _is_ a character
attribute to OOo. A
Is it possible to have different backgrounds for different slides?
For example if I have 10 slides, first 5 slides to be with Dark Blue with
Orange background and next 5 slides to be with other background.
regards
--
-
Hristo Simeonov
Friday, October 28, 2005 Andrew Brown wrote:
Giuseppe Bilotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
As far as I see, this is just hardcoding the language, so
it's not about the use of Styles. And this is not what we're
talking about.
But it is what we are talking about. A
Le vendredi 28 octobre 2005 à 11:53 -0400, Chad Smith a écrit :
On 10/28/05, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also vulnerable to catastrophic loss as in the libraries of Alexandria.
Difficult to have a complete back up of all the paper and be sure it
won't get destoyed by fire or
Chad Smith wrote:
Multiple copies are needed to help prevent against such loses, no matter
what format it's in.
Yet another reason why open formats are important. Because making copies
of digital records is a heck of a lot cheaper for a given level of
security than with paper. But all those
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 13:34:51 PM +, Andrew Brown
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
People who choose to use MS Office or Windows are not fools or
brainwashed sheep. They are making perfectly rational decisions,
trading time, money, and convenience off against each other.
I'd question the choose
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 11:54 -0400, Chad Smith wrote:
On 10/28/05, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, but not often since I got the internet at home. It's kinda pointless
now.
And you were the one extolling the virtues of paper. On-line libraries
exist already. However, copyright also
When I use OpenOffice Base to connect to a SQL Server 2000 database en
open a table for editing the program display all 143 rows of the table
with the same content, that is the content of the first row. This is a
serious bug.
Jan Verhoeven.
GRS wrote:
With 2.0 you can install language packs for those languages you need. This
assumes that they exist, of cource.
They don't appear to exist for windows.
Please check the various native language pages to see what they have.
And that ignores the l10n projects that do not hve native
As you are not subscribed you may not have seen that:
On Fri October 28 2005 09:59, Sophie Gautier wrote:
Bonjour Jonathan,
Jonathan Nicolas wrote:
Je ne sais pas trop si c'est la bonne adresse mail pour vous
l'envoyer, c'est un problème avec Open Office 2.0 téléchargé
aujourd'hui; ce
Chad Smith wrote:
Start pretending that their governments use ODF?
What kind of rational sense does that make? When do rationality and
make-believe belong in the same sentence?
English is not Marco's first language. I think that we can figure out
what he meant to say. The word encourage
Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Start pretending that their governments use ODF?
What kind of rational sense does that make? When do rationality and
make-believe belong in the same sentence?
I suspect it was a translation error. This isn't Marco's first
Giuseppe Bilotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm not challenging the fact that it's possible to apply hard
formatting (in the specific case, character attributes)
using macros. What I'm saying is that doing it via macros is
not in any way comparable to doing it via
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 20:26:43 PM +0100, Daniel Carrera
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Chad Smith wrote:
Start pretending that their governments use ODF?
What kind of rational sense does that make? When do rationality and
make-believe belong in the same sentence?
English is not Marco's
On 10/28/05, M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 20:26:43 PM +0100, Daniel Carrera
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Chad Smith wrote:
Start pretending that their governments use ODF?
What kind of rational sense does that make? When do rationality and
make-believe
In the last year C. Smith has repeatedly annoyed many other members of
this list. Apart from (lack of) good manners, he has consistantly
demonstrated ignorance of basic IT and industry policy concepts,
regardless of how many times they have been proven to him with
objective data, with a
Chad wrote:
What he said was a functional sentence, but it just didn't make sense
in context.
What he wrote makes perfect sense. What it means is not congruent with
what he thought it meant.
doesn't mean I should try to translate his English emails into English!
I realize that you lack the
Laurent Godard írta:
Hi all
Following the OOoCon, i will setup the new incubtaor project i proposed
on my presentation
http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2005/presentations/friday_c8.sxi
to sumarize, the purpose is not to compete with api project but to help
it, puting a bridge from new
Lars D. Noodén wrote:
People buy MS products mostly because they're the only thing you *can*
buy due to a lock on the OEMs.
Probably a more cost effective step would be to first get the OEM
contracts into the daylight. MS claims that they are 'trade secrets' or
some such nonsense. Getting
Chad Smith wrote:
Should I have to look up every word Marco says in Italian to make sure I
understand his meaning?
Marco has made a significant effort to learn a new language in order to
communicate. The *least* you can do is make an effort to understand what
we are trying to say. Jonathon
M. Fioretti wrote:
In the last year C. Smith has repeatedly annoyed many other members of
this list. Apart from (lack of) good manners, he has consistantly
demonstrated ignorance of basic IT and industry policy concepts,
regardless of how many times they have been proven to him with
objective
Daniel Carrera wrote:
M. Fioretti wrote:
In the last year C. Smith has repeatedly annoyed many other members of
this list. Apart from (lack of) good manners, he has consistantly
demonstrated ignorance of basic IT and industry policy concepts,
regardless of how many times they have been proven
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 10:41 +, Jonathon Blake wrote:
Giuseppe wrote:
you can't have multiple character styles for the same text
Is this really?
Depends upon what is meant by can't have multiple character styles in
the same text.
I've written documents where I liberally tossed
Le samedi 29 octobre 2005 à 06:57 +1000, Jonathon Coombes a écrit :
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 10:41 +, Jonathon Blake wrote:
WordPerfect is based on text streaming, so style effects can be
cumulative. OOo is based on objects, so style effects are not
cumulative.
You may be able to
Daniel wrote:
Jonathon and I inmediately realized that there was an error
I didn't realize that what he wrote was not what he meant, until he rewrote it.
Though it did cross my mind to wonder why anybody would mention
psychosocial dynamics and applied philosophy to Chad, when he has
Check your local Linux users group.
if your going open go all the way.
CWSIV
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 14:34 -0700, Eduardo Martinez wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Eduardo Martinez and I am a student at Humboldt State University,
located in Arcata California.
II want to start to work on a
Hi,
Have just started using OO at v2.0, previously only looked at it, but I'm now
planning to use it as a replacement for Word, as it seems to have the
compatibility with Word that I need for my existing clients.
I wanted to make a macro (like the one I have made in Word) to capinitial a
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 10:41 -0400, Chad Smith wrote:
And, as far as Andrew's statement being absurd, OOo *DOES* open MSO
stuff- and so do hundreds of other non-MS programs. If every piece of
MSO Software on earth disappeared, through some sort of mega-virus, or
miracle, the *DATA* of the files
I recently downloaded the new OpenOffice.org 2.0 for Linux. I have to
say that the new method used for installation is quite a bit more
annoying, time consuming, and troublesome than the old version that uses
an actual install program. I think OpenOffice.org should go back to
using the
I'm having problems when i try opening a new database and click on TABLES I
get an error same as the described in the link below
I'm runing windows XP pro
is there a fix for it ?
http://www.mail-archive.com/dba-bugs@openoffice.org/msg00440.html
Carl Spitzer wrote:
Check your local Linux users group.
if your going open go all the way.
It's not practical to go all in one step for most sites.
A very good first step is to migrate away from Microsoft
Office. Once users are happy with OpenOffice, switching
the underlying operating system
Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The problem is this kind of linking is strictly hierarchical, you have
to think beforehand how your styles will be combined, and if you change
your mind later (or inherit the document of someone else) the whole
style
hi,
before installing I read read me file and then decided to install java
firstly.
then I installed oo20. during installation (at the begining) it gave a warning
you have java. first remove it then install oo20 I waited,supposed it would
cancel the installation but continued. at last I tried
Greetings,
Thanks for your product. I was just wondering whether or not this is
completely legal. Even using it to open certain Microsoft files? (Word,
Powerpoint, Excel) Just checking, this saves a good deal of money for the
average person, rather than buying Microsoft Office. I just want to
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