Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-30 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Volk, Andrew M wrote: I am writing to suggest that the filename of the file being edited in Writer should be in the header line (or somewhere in the frame). I am writing documents which are going through a lot of edits between me and a collaborator on the Web. To keep the versions straight,

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-30 Thread Sweet Coffee
Hello All! Have either of you filed a feature request or bug report about this? I would sure vote for the option as it is in v1.1.x. SC On 5/30/05, Peter Kupfer OOo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Volk, Andrew M wrote: > > I am writing to suggest that the filename of the file being edited in >

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-30 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Sweet Coffee wrote: Hello All! Have either of you filed a feature request or bug report about this? I would sure vote for the option as it is in v1.1.x. SC http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=17856 Be careful when entering this debate. There is a faction of OOodom that thinks

RE: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-31 Thread Volk, Andrew M
rg Cc: Volk, Andrew M Subject: Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar Volk, Andrew M wrote: > I am writing to suggest that the filename of the file being edited in > Writer should be in the header line (or somewhere in the frame). > > I am writing documents which are go

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-31 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Volk, Andrew M wrote: I am writing to suggest that the filename of the file being edited in Writer should be in the header line (or somewhere in the frame). I am writing documents which are going through a lot of edits between me and a collaborator on the Web. To keep the versions straight,

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-05-31 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Volk, Andrew M wrote: Ah! Thanks for the tip. It works great (after you save the file). (Contentious? Well, I like the filename for documents, so I'm happy.) Andrew Volk I like the way 1.1.x treats it, in so far as I have a choice, between the file name or the file title. If I am edited s

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-02 Thread Chad Smith
I don't know if I'd call it contentious. I'd call it logical. You can actually see what it's called. The OP explains *why* the 1.x way of doing things *sucks*. If you *do* have a title (which some programs automagically assign without prompt to the user) and you want to see the actual filename,

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-02 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Chad Smith wrote: I don't know if I'd call it contentious. I'd call it logical. You can actually see what it's called. The OP explains *why* the 1.x way of doing things *sucks*. If you *do* have a title (which some programs automagically assign without prompt to the user) and you want to see

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread Mathias Bauer
Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: > Chad Smith wrote: >> I don't know if I'd call it contentious. I'd call it logical. You >> can actually see what it's called. >> >> The OP explains *why* the 1.x way of doing things *sucks*. If you >> *do* have a title (which some programs automagically assign without >

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Mathias Bauer wrote: Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: Chad Smith wrote: I don't know if I'd call it contentious. I'd call it logical. You can actually see what it's called. The OP explains *why* the 1.x way of doing things *sucks*. If you *do* have a title (which some programs automagically assign

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread Rich
Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: ... All platforms that OOo runs on (or at least the ones I know) support long file names, so the easiest way to see the title for all document also in OOo2.0 is making title and file name the same. ;-) The only case where I really prefer the title

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Rich wrote: Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: ... All platforms that OOo runs on (or at least the ones I know) support long file names, so the easiest way to see the title for all document also in OOo2.0 is making title and file name the same. ;-) The only case where I really

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread Rich
Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: Rich wrote: ... if properly used it could be useful part of document management systems. How, if you never see it? if properly used, you do :) it would be indexed and you could sort/search for it (as one of many fields) -- Rich -

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread Mathias Bauer
Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: > 1) What is so bad about having an option? Of course basically nothing except possible bloat. :-) We didn't close the issue, so it can be worked on. My current favorite is to switch on displaying the title not as a global option, but as a document specific one. If you en

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread Mathias Bauer
Rich wrote: > oh. i just hate when extension is not shown ;) > btw, oo.org does not show extension when opening a .doc file. is this > intentional ? > > also, i managed today with m104 achieve a situation by closing/opening > doc/odt files all the time that also odt extension was not shown, so

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
Mathias Bauer wrote: > All platforms that OOo runs on (or at least the ones I know) support long file names, so the easiest way to see the title for all document making title and file name the same. ;-) However, if you are moving a file between comouters (by email, web, CD etc.), non-latin fi

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 18:26:38 PM +0200, Mathias Bauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > 2) What is the point of the title property if it isn't displayed? > > You can use it in different places. And IMHO the title indeed is > superfluous on most operating systems because you can use long file > names

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 07:48:22 AM +0200, io ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Changing the CMS system where all this stuff is archived and > searched according to those filenames would cost a lot, so nobody > does it. So it may be as ugly as hell, but is not going to go away > soon. > > So, unless yo

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-04 Thread Mathias Bauer
M. Fioretti wrote: > In large companies there are huge quantities of internal docs whose > file name have been longer than 8.3 for years but, by company policy, > must be the human-unreadable part number of the product they refer > to. Sometimes preceeded by the equally unreadable acronym of the >

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-04 Thread Mathias Bauer
Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > Mathias Bauer wrote: > > All platforms that OOo runs on (or at least the ones I know) support >> long file names, so the easiest way to see the title for all document >> making title and file name the same. ;-) > > However, if you are moving a file between comouters (b

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-04 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 14:39:41 PM +0200, Mathias Bauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Yes, that's a good argument for titles, thanks for adding this. You're welcome. Glad to have added some useful information. > So titles aren't superfluous in specific workflows with specific > kinds of documents w

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-04 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
Mathias Bauer wrote: If the file name was good enough to identify the document in the file browser, it should be good enough for the caption bar also (at the end the caption bar is just a means for identifying the document). But the Latin name in the file browser is *not* good enough- it is jus

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-04 Thread Dominic Boisvert
Peter Kupfer OOo a écrit : Rich wrote: Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: ... All platforms that OOo runs on (or at least the ones I know) support long file names, so the easiest way to see the title for all document also in OOo2.0 is making title and file name the same. ;-)

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
M. Fioretti wrote: > Just one final comment: keep in mind that the workflows with this > "problem" may be "specific" as in "a minority" when you count the > percentage of organizations which have this problem. But if you look > at *which* organizations have it, they will certainly be a non > negli

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > Mathias Bauer wrote: >> If the file name was good enough to identify the >> document in the file browser, it should be good enough for the caption >> bar also (at the end the caption bar is just a means for identifying the >> document). > > But the Latin name in the file

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 11:44 +0200, Mathias Bauer a écrit : > Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > > Mathias Bauer wrote: > >> If the file name was good enough to identify the > >> document in the file browser, it should be good enough for the caption > >> bar also (at the end the caption bar is just a m

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-05 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
Mathias Bauer wrote: I hoped to get some comments on my idea to use a document specific property wether the title should be displayed or the file name, until now to no avail. If such setting would travel with the document (.i.e.- I email the document to someone, and when he/she opens it they g

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > Mathias Bauer wrote: >> I hoped to get some comments on my idea to use a document specific >> property wether the title should be displayed or the file name, until >> now to no avail. > > If such setting would travel with the document (.i.e.- I email the > document to s

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > If you want something that works for humans you should display whatever > string uses the biggest font size on the first page. Then fallback on > highest hierachy title, title metadata, filename. That sounds like a smart idea, but I don't trust automatic "smart" procedure

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 12:59 +0200, Mathias Bauer a écrit : > > The truth is humans suck at entering nice title metadata where software > > can find it (and metadata includes filenames) > > I don't doubt that, but obviously the file name (or the title) the user > has chosen was good enough fo

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-05 Thread Eric Hines
At 06/05/05 04:44, Mathias Bauer wrote: Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > Mathias Bauer wrote: >> If the file name was good enough to identify the >> document in the file browser, it should be good enough for the caption >> bar also (at the end the caption bar is just a means for identifying the >> docu

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 12:59 +0200, Mathias Bauer a écrit : > >> > The truth is humans suck at entering nice title metadata where software >> > can find it (and metadata includes filenames) >> >> I don't doubt that, but obviously the file name (or the title) the user

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-06 Thread Rich
Mathias Bauer wrote: Shoshannah Forbes wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: I hoped to get some comments on my idea to use a document specific property wether the title should be displayed or the file name, until now to no avail. If such setting would travel with the document (.i.e.- I email the do