Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 19-Apr-07, at 8:07 PM, Jeremy Dunck wrote: > Databrowse could be considered Access for the web. w00t - coolest thing since the mini idli -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this me

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread M Harris
On Thursday 19 April 2007 07:47, Michael K wrote: > The best part is, if you put together the models > first, the clients can start adding and manipulating content before > you're done with all of the functionality - just give them access to > the admin panel, if you want. Well, that is pr

Re: A Semantic Web CMS [was: Re: django comparison]

2007-04-19 Thread Nicola Larosa
> Nicola Larosa wrote: >> This is the dream of the Semantic Web: a way of mixing data and metadata so >> that you have an array of relations (like those in Dublin Core) that relate >> subject and object (the RDF triple). And every object is defined by a set >> of relations connecting it to other o

A Semantic Web CMS [was: Re: django comparison]

2007-04-19 Thread Nicola Larosa
>> Nicola Larosa wrote: >>> The next step is doing away with a predefined model altogether. >>> Semantic web CMS, anyone? ;-) > Jeremy Dunck wrote: >> Have you looked at trunk/django/contrib/databrowse yet? :) Tim Chase wrote: > This was the contrib that Adrian unveiled at PyCon2007 that had a

Re: A Semantic Web CMS [was: Re: django comparison]

2007-04-19 Thread Antonio Cavedoni
On 19/04/07, James Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is something best handled by an RDF store or an object database, > neither of which is currently supported for Django; feel like writing > some new backends for us? ;) IIRC Bill de hÓra was working on such a beast. Bill? -- Antonio --~

Re: A Semantic Web CMS [was: Re: django comparison]

2007-04-19 Thread James Bennett
On 4/19/07, Nicola Larosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is the dream of the Semantic Web: a way of mixing data and metadata so > that you have an array of relations (like those in Dublin Core) that relate > subject and object (the RDF triple). And every object is defined by a set > of relation

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was Jeff Croft releasing the source for Lost-Theories that pulled me in. I just saw how I could make Django work for me, instead of trying to make something else work. On Apr 18, 8:40 pm, M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 18 April 2007 14:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> For what

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Michael K
On Apr 19, 10:39 am, Tim Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This was the contrib that Adrian unveiled at PyCon2007 that had a > room full of applause. I beleve he referred to it as giving "the > treatment" or "the works" to your data. It allows easy > exploration of a data-set, as it will create

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Jeremy Dunck
On 4/19/07, Jay Parlar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > Is that what Adrian's going for? I briefly tried out databrowse the > other day, and couldn't quite see the point (realizing of course that > it's brand new). Well, I just meant views and models magically created based on the data. >From do

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Tim Chase
>> Have you looked at trunk/django/contrib/databrowse yet? :) > > Wow, I don't update since 49xx, lo and behold, there's a new module > in contrib! Just briefly looking over it, it looks like it wraps > models for some black magic data browsing? And what's this? A plugin > hook? :) This was

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Michael K
On Apr 19, 9:31 am, "Jeremy Dunck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/19/07, Nicola Larosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Michael K wrote: > > > The best part is, if you put together the models first, the clients can > > > start adding and manipulating content before you're done with all of

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Jay Parlar
On 4/19/07, Jeremy Dunck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 4/19/07, Nicola Larosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The next step is doing away with a predefined model altogether. Semantic > > web CMS, anyone? ;-) > > Have you looked at trunk/django/contrib/databrowse yet? :) Is that what Adrian's

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Michael K
On Apr 19, 9:23 am, Nicola Larosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael K wrote: > > The best part is, if you put together the models first, the clients can > > start adding and manipulating content before you're done with all of the > > functionality - just give them access to the admin panel, i

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Jeremy Dunck
On 4/19/07, Nicola Larosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Michael K wrote: > > The best part is, if you put together the models first, the clients can > > start adding and manipulating content before you're done with all of the > > functionality - just give them access to the admin panel, if you wa

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Nicola Larosa
Michael K wrote: > The best part is, if you put together the models first, the clients can > start adding and manipulating content before you're done with all of the > functionality - just give them access to the admin panel, if you want. The next step is doing away with a predefined model altoge

Re: django comparison

2007-04-19 Thread Michael K
On Apr 18, 9:40 pm, M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 18 April 2007 14:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> For what it's > worth, I found Django to be LESS work than Mambo/Joomla, > > just because I wasted an ungodly amount of time trying to make Mambo > > do what I wanted. > >

Re: django comparison

2007-04-18 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 18 April 2007 14:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > For what it's worth, I found Django to be LESS work than Mambo/Joomla, > just because I wasted an ungodly amount of time trying to make Mambo > do what I wanted. Did you get on-board with the Django book, or something else? --

Re: django comparison

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For what it's worth, I found Django to be LESS work than Mambo/Joomla, just because I wasted an ungodly amount of time trying to make Mambo do what I wanted. On Apr 17, 10:26 pm, M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 21:12, Jay Parlar wrote:> The Django server can only >

Re: django comparison

2007-04-17 Thread M Harris
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 21:12, Jay Parlar wrote: > The Django server can only handle one request at a time, so "load" > would be defined as two people trying to access the site :) Very good. Thanks guys. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< --~--~-~--~~~---~--~

Re: django comparison

2007-04-17 Thread Jay Parlar
On 4/17/07, Todd O'Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Run under Apache. The Django server would be slower and would be more > likely to fail once you got any kind of load on the server. The Django server can only handle one request at a time, so "load" would be defined as two people trying to acc

Re: django comparison

2007-04-17 Thread Todd O'Bryan
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 21:03 -0500, M Harris wrote: > On Monday 16 April 2007 11:09, James Bennett wrote: > > A CMS like Joomla is a house, pre-built. A framework like Django is a > > toolbox and some raw materials. > Thank you for your responses folks. This is helpful. Are there > package

Re: django comparison

2007-04-17 Thread M Harris
On Monday 16 April 2007 11:09, James Bennett wrote: > A CMS like Joomla is a house, pre-built. A framework like Django is a > toolbox and some raw materials. Thank you for your responses folks. This is helpful. Are there packages of Django templates available... as in your analogy... a

Re: django comparison

2007-04-16 Thread sime
Perfect analogy there James :-) On Apr 17, 2:09 am, "James Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/16/07, M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am new to Django, but am familiar with python. I am also > > familiar with > > joomla (formerly mambo), and I would like someone to pr

Re: django comparison

2007-04-16 Thread James Bennett
On 4/16/07, M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am new to Django, but am familiar with python. I am also familiar > with > joomla (formerly mambo), and I would like someone to provide a comparison / > contrast between Django and joomla please, no hype, just the facts. I am > int

Re: django comparison

2007-04-16 Thread Julio Nobrega
Hi Harris, Django is a framework where you can build a CMS, it doesn't come with this behaviour after installed. You're going to have to make a "Model" for "Article", code the functions to retrieve them, build each display page (the html), etc... The comparision can't really be made, since

django comparison

2007-04-16 Thread M Harris
hi folks, I have a client wishing to go with Django as a content management solution (safe web hosting) and would like to implement the server with MySql. I am new to Django, but am familiar with python. I am also familiar with joomla (formerly mambo), and I would like someon

Re: Rails/Django comparison synopsis

2007-03-29 Thread Ian Holsman
management perspective - ease of deployment - ease of development - ease of training your developers I would say both Rails & Django are comparable in these, both easily beat the competition (java / PHP). - ease of finding developers Rails wins on this one I think .. there are more rails deve

Re: A Rails/Django Comparison

2006-11-19 Thread Alan Green
Ben and I would like to send out a big thanks to everyone who provided constructive feedback on our Rails/Django paper. It's all been incorporated, either into the paper or as part of our OSDC presentation. Speaking of OSDC, will anyone else here be going? Finally, we would have loved to have do

Re: A Rails/Django Comparison

2006-11-14 Thread Bill de hOra
Alan Green wrote: > Greetings fellow Djangonauts, > > Later this year, at the Open Source Developer's Conference in > Melbourne, Australia, Ben Askins and I will be presenting a paper > comparing Rails and Django. > > The paper is currently available on Google docs: > http://docs.google.com/View

Re: A Rails/Django Comparison

2006-11-14 Thread David Sissitka
Performance is definitely a factor, but do you think that it has a place in this article? There are so many ways to deploy a Rails application, which would you include? A book has been written on the subject, covering even half of them in little detail would easily double the article in size. :P If

Re: A Rails/Django Comparison

2006-11-14 Thread Oliver Lavery
FWIW, as someone who recently had to go through this evaluation process, yes perfromance does have a place. In fact addressing performance would make this article a lot more useful, I think.Comparisons of lines of code or development time are interesting, but they're not that empirical. Lines of co

Re: A Rails/Django Comparison

2006-11-14 Thread Adrian Holovaty
On 11/14/06, Angel García Cuartero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I found that most comparisons just don't talk about performance. It would be > great to check how both frameworks deal with complex projects, not just Tada > Lists... you know what I mean. :) Yes. Performance. This article deliberate

Re: A Rails/Django Comparison

2006-11-14 Thread Angel García Cuartero
Hi there!I found that most comparisons just don't talk about performance. It would be great to check how both frameworks deal with complex projects, not just Tada Lists... you know what I mean. :)- Mensaje original De: Alan Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Para: django-users@googlegroups.comEnviado

Re: A Rails/Django Comparison

2006-11-14 Thread Alan Green
Hi David, Thanks for the feedback. On 11/14/06, David Sissitka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good read, nice to see that there isn't a clear bias. A few thoughts: > > 1) First glimpse in to the Rails code and I've found a breakpoint > (ReadersController.edit), that and the lack of image uploading

Re: A Rails/Django Comparison

2006-11-13 Thread David Sissitka
Good read, nice to see that there isn't a clear bias. A few thoughts:1) First glimpse in to the Rails code and I've found a breakpoint (ReadersController.edit), that and the lack of image uploading functionality makes me question competence of the Rails developer. The remaining are preference, a lo

A Rails/Django Comparison

2006-11-13 Thread Alan Green
Greetings fellow Djangonauts, Later this year, at the Open Source Developer's Conference in Melbourne, Australia, Ben Askins and I will be presenting a paper comparing Rails and Django. The paper is currently available on Google docs: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcn8282p_1hg4sr9 Prior to

Re: Rails/Django comparison synopsis (a BIG summary)

2006-09-12 Thread Jay
I also agree with documentation in Django. I'm amazed when I began browsing for help files in the site. I did not expect that the docs there are massive. It covers a lot of WHY did this happen and HOW to make it happen. The help for Django has more ham compared to ruby on rails. I think if you com

Rails/Django comparison synopsis (a BIG summary)

2006-09-11 Thread Jeff Rodenburg
For summarization, I've added two of the responses below.  Very well articulated, thanks for the insight.  I appreciate the clear thought on distinctions between the two without some form of java-versus-dotnet war of words. Some additional observations from a veteran dev that's a newcomer to both o

Re: Rails/Django comparison synopsis

2006-09-11 Thread tao
I can use cakephp instead, that is not ruby, but a ROR styled framework --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To uns

Re: Rails/Django comparison synopsis

2006-09-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Sep-06, at 6:15 AM, Sean Schertell wrote: > I defected to Django from Rails and so far I'm loving it. this is the best write-up on django vs rails that i have seen - could you wikify it? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --~--~-~--~

Re: Rails/Django comparison synopsis

2006-09-11 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On 9/12/06, Jeff Rodenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My question: how would you (you = someone with solid Django background) > characterize similarities and differences with Rails? Disclaimer: I'm a Django developer; I looked at Rails before I got involved with Django, and I occasionally 'peek

Re: Rails/Django comparison synopsis

2006-09-11 Thread Gabriel Puliatti
On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 16:41 -0700, Jeff Rodenburg wrote: > My question: how would you (you = someone with solid Django > background) characterize similarities and differences with Rails? Django is slightly older, having been developed two years before the initial release in July 2005. They have

Re: Rails/Django comparison synopsis

2006-09-11 Thread Sean Schertell
Hi Jeff, I defected to Django from Rails and so far I'm loving it. But it really depends on what you need to do. If you're creating a single monolithic application, Rails is pretty sweet. I did a giant invoicing/accounting application for an insurance company in Rails. It handles tens of t

Re: Rails/Django comparison synopsis

2006-09-11 Thread charles sibbald
and info who have solid experience on both django / r-o-rails- Original Message From: Jeff Rodenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: django-users@googlegroups.comSent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:41:14 AMSubject: Rails/Django comparison synopsisI'm trying to get some education on r

Rails/Django comparison synopsis

2006-09-11 Thread Jeff Rodenburg
I'm trying to get some education on rather quick order and was looking for feedback from the Django side of the equation.I've seen a bit of comparison in public forums of Rails and Django.  I'm trying to eval these things from a higher level, or one might call "management" perspective.  (No, I'm no

Re: IBM Article on TurboGears (w / Django Comparison)

2006-07-12 Thread Iain Duncan
Good read Ian, thanks for the post. Iain Ian Maurer wrote: > IBM has published the 2nd part in my two-part series on Web > Development frameworks. > > http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-turbogears/ > > Also, at the end of this article I include my comparison of the 2 > frame

IBM Article on TurboGears (w / Django Comparison)

2006-07-11 Thread Ian Maurer
IBM has published the 2nd part in my two-part series on Web Development frameworks. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-turbogears/ Also, at the end of this article I include my comparison of the 2 frameworks. I tried to be as objective as possible. Hopefully both projects wil