Note that gold is a Thing - specifically an element, element 79.
If humans or conscious thought didn't even exists, gold (and the
other elements) would exist. They are objects.
In exact contrast, land is a mental construct. Land has no physical
component. Land is like a patent or a
Just to add to this discussion...
Note that gold is a Thing - specifically an element, element 79.
If humans or conscious thought didn't even exists, gold (and the
other elements) would exist. They are objects.
In exact contrast, land is a mental construct. Land has no physical
component.
I think the answer to JP's question is that any kind of stuff,
whether it's gold
or real estate location-location-locations, will be as good as they
are perceived
as scarce by those that desire them. If alchemy became easy tomorrow and
gold suddenly quit being rare, human beings would probably
If we compare gold with land, point by point:
Decay: gold: no land: no
Limited supply: gold: limited , although still mining an extra 2% per
annum
land: obviously limited. Some categories of
land are
actually getting scarcer (ex. forests)
Productive:
From: Danny Van den Berghe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For example, why not an e-currency backed by real estate?
It could be better than gold.
This would be pretty easy. All you would have to do is have the currency
backed by shares of a REIT. Then you could transfer so many shares or
fractions of a
If you create 'e-land' , an e-currency backed by land ownership, you can
transfer pieces of the ownership just like we do with e-gold, but this
currency will be able to pay a yearly 'interest' based on the produce
that
comes from the land, instead of charging a storage fee for protecting
At 11:55 AM +0200 10/31/03, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:
Decay: gold: no land: no
Limited supply: gold: limited , although still mining an extra 2% per annum
land: obviously limited. Some categories of land are
actually getting scarcer (ex. forests)
Productive: gold : no
The American Heritage Dictionary defines inflation as:
2. A persistent increase in the level of consumer prices *or* a persistent
decline in the purchasing power of money, *caused* by an increase in
available currency *and* credit beyond the proportion of available goods and
services.
But the
On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 04:55 AM, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:
If we compare gold with land, point by point:
Decay: gold: no land: no
Limited supply: gold: limited , although still mining an extra 2% per
annum
land: obviously limited. Some categories of
land
On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 04:55 AM, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:
If we compare gold with land, point by point:
Decay: gold: no land: no
Limited supply: gold: limited , although still mining an extra 2% per
annum
land: obviously limited. Some categories of
land are
actually
From: Robert B.Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- That is correct, unless you choose land used for agriculture,
reasonably far away from cities and industry and get an insurance that
covers the land value at the time of original purchase in cases of
chemical poisoning and adverse acts of
Patrick,
So basically the best choice is arable land with highly fertile soil,
ocean view, access to a sandy beach, sitting on a deep-core gold mine and
being in short distance but upwind from an International airport :o)))
Cheers,
Robert.
budget privacy website hosting
http://www.cyberica.net
John,
Sounds nifty until you realize Kyoto is a BS government scarcity decree on
the world economy. Climate shifts from warm periods to deep ice ages have
come and gone well before we ever got here and the factors affecting such
things are probably beyond our powers, and up to much greater
Danny,
If you create 'e-land' , an e-currency backed by land ownership, you can
transfer pieces of the ownership just like we do with e-gold, but this
currency will be able to pay a yearly 'interest' based on the produce that
comes from the land, instead of charging a storage fee for
Danny,
For example, why not an e-currency backed by real estate?
It could be better than gold.
A piece of land is in the same category. An acre of land today will still
be
the same acre of land in ??? years, ...
But land does grow stuff, and that's where it beats gold.
Trouble is, that
George,
Trouble is, that land could also grow radioactive dumps or a spaceport for
turism to Jupiter. The value of that land can change because some people
decide to do something with it or near it. Property value depends too much
of local factors, while gold does not.
--- That is correct,
Just a foot note,
one problem with land specifically is that it is only owned by the
Sovereign - the people who laughably think they own land are just
renting it from some government (by paying land tax etc) and the land
can be take back by the gov. at any time for numerous reasons
In
Just a comment to the footnote.
As mentioned we have insurance against government actions. And we are also
25 years tax exempt on land, produce, sale, income, etc.
Gold is so much easier to take and run with. Real property is slightly
more difficult - especially the running part, if not the
Hi Andrew,
Thanks for the info.
According to the Attorney General, this problem tackles the true power
behind organized crime. We have to create a culture against money
laundering in Brazil
When oh when will governments stop their b/s? I assume that governments
and stopping to b/s are
Please will someone be kind and tell me how to reply to individual
messages by email and how to create them via email instead of having to
login to the list each time...
Log in to the list. Go to 'Your Settings', and change the settings so that
you receive email.
Craig
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On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://money.howstuffworks.com/credit-card.htm
Thanks for the reference to the HowStuffWorks site! There's some
really fascinating and useful information there. That's going right on
my bookmarks bar because it looks
Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:38 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://money.howstuffworks.com/credit-card.htm
Thanks for the reference to the HowStuffWorks site! There's some
really fascinating and useful information there. That's going right
on my bookmarks
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 01:36 PM, Dale Pond wrote:
Interesting read. The Social Security section has so many errors of
law I wonder how valid the information on credit cards is?
http://people.howstuffworks.com/social-security-number.htm
Errors like what? I wouldn't be surprised if
Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 01:36 PM, Dale Pond wrote:
Interesting read. The Social Security section has so many errors of
law I wonder how valid the information on credit cards is?
http://people.howstuffworks.com/social-security-number.htm
Errors like what? I
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 02:03 PM, Dale Pond wrote:
For instance: You are required to apply for your SSN when you start
your first job,...
Signing up for SS is voluntary. It is a voluntary program. However,
once you volunteer in or you are volunteered in you can't get
out!! $10 in
Wasn't it normal to ask BEFORE receiving my e-gold? On which rules they
don't want to send my money now?
Why don't you just ask them to send the e-gold back to your account? Will
they do this?
Craig
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in advance though. It's just more fair. Who asked you to cough up and
ID btw? I'm really curious. :-)
Greg.
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Date:
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: How exchange providers do outexchanges (ESPs
Bruno Garcia wrote:
I find there is too much chaos, and the Exchange Providers are not regulated in any way. The chaos actually reigns over the e-gold economy. Maybe 70% of the people who use e-gold are scammers,
I find this situation fairly amazing. E-gold has been in operation for
several
At 7:25 AM -0600 1/27/03, Dale Pond wrote:
...
I find this situation fairly amazing. E-gold has been in operation for
several years now and still there is no accountability, arbitration or
method of dispute resolution. Perhaps this is on purpose? What purpose
...
e-gold is just a currency.
Go for http://www.cambist.net/
They are reliable and we are actually dealing with them ourselves.
So, the guys at Forex are doing a PayPal now, are they?
Witing till they have the money and then restrict the account until you
provide DNS samples from your grandmother a police certificate of your
At 7:37 PM -0500 1/3/03, Winston wrote:
Newbie time.
It seems that to become a market maker to get e-gold at 'wholesale rates'
you need to buy gold directly from e-gold Ltd?
...
Hi.
e-gold Ltd. has no bank accounts, so that's not possible. OmniPay
was the original exchange service, but the two
Winston wrote:
Newbie time.
It seems that to become a market maker to get e-gold at 'wholesale rates'
you need to buy gold directly from e-gold Ltd?
Exchange providers and market makers also buy and sell at wholesale rates between them.
It is not always necessary to go to e-gold or
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by me from now on, until I'm not annoyed anymore. I may,
slowly, unmoderate individual members, but I'm tired of my
control being circumvented, I'm the boss of this list, and I
have tried
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That's it. ALL messages to this list will be moderated, hard,
by me from now on, until I'm not annoyed anymore. I may,
slowly, unmoderate individual members, but I'm tired of my
control being circumvented, I'm the boss of this list, and I
Solved. Despite much outdated info on the web and a majordomo server
that seems to be unaware of it.
Sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks like its
supposed to work, but doesn't.
Finally sent a blank message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and it worked. Even though the confirmation came back from
Xain,
The important thing to remember is the internet is global+ and there's
more e-currencies/DGC's then just e-gold, therefore if the government
went after e-gold, it would be pointless as another company would just
take its placeso can e-gold survive? Probably but it doesn't
really
Do you have any ideas on how can I promote my new
http://checkaddress.net
site?
I operate a large startpage exchange portal located here:
http://FreeWebsiteTraffic.Com
If you visit, you will find over 40 startpage exchanges that are
all free to join. The vast majority of them offer free
I operate a large startpage exchange portal located here:
http://FreeWebsiteTraffic.Com
Jonathan,
Are all of the sites participating in your programs required to implement
that Exit Exchange popup or any other popup windows?
Kind Regards,
RJ LeVeque
American eCurrency Connection
Alexis
I would like to recommend http://www.opt-in-pays.com/ not
only you but all Market Makers.
For just $5, you can get lots of visitors to your site -
the more you pay the more visitors you get.
I used them three times now to promote different services
and was absolutely amazed with the
Do you have any ideas on how can I promote my new http://checkaddress.net
site?
Make sure you stay within your targeted community and/or industry. Trying to
advertise your site to an untargeted audience will cost you time and money
without results.
Perform your research and be patient.
Michael,
1. sorry this basic question again! I like to send money to my account
from germany. I have visa, paypal, or bankaccount! So what is the next
step?
Use Fidex, enter a transaction on our website in Euros and you will be
given details of our correspondent account and BLZ at Deutsche
And still some more options for funding from Germany:
buy international drafts and money orders from branches of American Express
or Travelex (formerly Thomas Cook). Amex only do dollar MOs but I think
Travelex offer Euros.
Nick
Fidex
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How to fund my e-gold account anomymously and most cost-effective from
Germany?
Any advice?
You can fill in our regular on-line transfer form
I've been looking all over the place for a solution to cash my money from
E-GOLD account, using Western Union or Money Gram.
Have somebody know which Market Maker could offer such a service? All I
want to do is get my money from E-GOL account by Western Union or Money
Gram.
We can do
Remember www.e-qold.com? ( Danger Will Robinson!!! Dont use
this site, its a spoof, thats a Q not a G in the url )
that damn site is still up! And it has 128 bit SSL connection and
stuff! Only url will give away that you are not in the e-gold site.
I thought that e-gold managed to
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I thought that e-gold managed to shut this guy down...
No, E-Gold got the site REDIRECTED to the REAL site.
are you sure? The url speaks other language! The login page url is:
that damn site is still up! And it has 128 bit SSL connection and
stuff! Only url will give away that you are not in the e-gold site.
I thought that e-gold managed to shut this guy down...
I just tried it and put in some er... well lets just say they weren't
passwords and once you click
I thought that e-gold managed to shut this guy down...
I just tried it and put in some er... well lets just say they weren't
passwords and once you click submit it returns you to the the real e-gold
site
I don't understand?
He's trying to steal passwords. Whatever it was that you
I thought that e-gold managed to shut this guy down...
I just tried it and put in some er... well lets just say they weren't
passwords and once you click submit it returns you to the the
real e-gold
site
I don't understand?
He's trying to steal passwords. Whatever it was that
At 03:21 PM 11/25/2001 -0500, David Brooks wrote:
How is e-gold useful? Transaction fees are orders of magnitude
larger than the transaction amount.
Steve,
With respect, I believe you do not understand the
transaction fee structure of e-Gold. This is quoted
from the e-Gold webpage:
At 08:51 PM -0800 11/25/2001, Greg Broiles wrote:
...
Steve and I experimented with very small e-gold transactions tonight - if
he sent me .1 ounces of gold (USD .002728), I received .06 ounces
(USD .001637), and e-gold took .04 (USD .001091) for their spend fee ..
which is a
At 10:15 PM 11/25/2001 -0500, Andrew McMeikan wrote:
For sweetspot applications that are considered immoral in *any* place in
the world then you get at least a potential problem for those that
promote/encourage/use depending on the reach and proportional power of
those offended
Agreed. But then
How is e-gold useful? Transaction fees are orders of magnitude
larger than the transaction amount.
Steve,
With respect, I believe you do not understand the
transaction fee structure of e-Gold. This is quoted
from the e-Gold webpage:
http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/fees.htm
The fee for
How is e-gold useful? Transaction fees are orders of magnitude larger than
the transaction amount.
How is 1% of the transaction amount orders of magnitude *larger* than the
transaction amount? Shouldn't that be the other way around?
We'll probably see pay per page online when we see pay
At 03:21 PM 11/25/2001 -0500, David Brooks wrote:
How is e-gold useful? Transaction fees are orders of magnitude
larger than the transaction amount.
Steve,
With respect, I believe you do not understand the
transaction fee structure of e-Gold. This is quoted
from the e-Gold webpage:
snip
CONCLUSION:
To really do something about untraceability you need to be untraceable.
Draw this graph I outlined. Think about where the markets are for tools
for privacy and untraceability. Realize that many of the far out' sweet
spot applications are not necessarily immoral: think of
Let me make it clear (and I hope Mr. Schear can also clarify his message)
that I think e-gold's one of many tools that make very small payments easier
than they're made out to be. e-gold spend and storage fees are low enough
that I think it's economical, but I'd bet the more important role of
Let me make it clear (and I hope Mr. Schear can also clarify his message)
that I think e-gold's one of many tools that make very small payments easier
than they're made out to be. e-gold spend and storage fees are low enough
that I think it's economical,
purely FWIW, my opinion is that
James M. Ray wrote:
Trivia question for (at least) a gram! What's the name of the VERY FIRST
currency that was based wholly on e-gold,
Flying Rat
and (this is the hint...) where is
it used? First correct answer gets a gram of e-gold!
It's not used now that I know of.
Bob
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Why does it matter? They evidently could help the lady in one way or another and they
did it.
I have heard such stories about E-Gold being able to help someone un-do an error even
though it obviously was not their problem.
But why assume that if they were in fact able to help, whether it was
You know...all this storm of controversy that started
over my posting the other day really bothered
me...even the reaction that I had. So, I decided to
check the facts.
Here are the facts...
I spent $9.90 to the OSOpps in error.
I wrote to OSGold about it...not knowing if they could
help.
In
any way the next day I received another email message telling
me that it would be refunded to me...
This morning when I looked in my account there was the
refund
So, in other words, OSGold has proven that they are a repudiable form of
payment.
There is only 3 ways that they could have
There's a fourth way - they could have just eaten the $10 and paid it out to
keep a happy customer.
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:29 PM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: How is this for service
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Viking Coder wrote:
So, in other words, OSGold has proven that they are a repudiable form of
payment.
I think you misread the note. It looked as if osgold contacted the other
account holder and they did the refund, not osgold.
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So, in other words, OSGold has proven that they are a repudiable form of
payment.
I think you misread the note. It looked as if osgold contacted the other
account holder and they did the refund, not osgold.
: 2001-05-23 00:03:56 638632 10005584 OSOPPS 10014478 International Money
Club
:
Unfortunately, that story means that
OS Gold is super for specific purposes and customers.
but it also means
OS Gold is not a player as a currency.
Just last night i spent THIRTY THOUSAND dollars of gold, to a market
maker I was selling wholesale to (you know who you are, you
I can reach at
least a thousand (responsive) egold users (probably 2000) with one
email.
:-)
Suzanna
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Subject: [e-gold-list] how to reach egold
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At 11:22 AM 2/14/2001 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, i'm offering a 5 gram bounty RIGHT NOW to anyone who can
state in English without waffling any other method for reaching
people who actually use e-gold. I'd be very happy to send on the 5
grams!
Yesthis discussion board. And
The Gold Economy http://www.goldeconomy.com probably reaches more
than any others.
Great!
AOL contacted Elwyn recently asking for permission to host the
site as a mirror on AOL. It seems the amount of traffic coming from
AOL was so high that they wanted to keep them behind the "great
I vote for his entry too :) Much more information. The stuff I posted mainly
shows the relative difference when account creation really started to pick up,
and that there might be a correlation between increasing metal price (or
activity) and number of accounts funded.
jf
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I vote for his entry too :) Much more information. The stuff I
posted mainly
i second that emoticon!
i think VC's conclusion:
These facts lead to the conclusion that the other three metals
are used mainly for investment, while gold is the chief
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Using current exchange rates, the other three metals have a little
less
than one eighth the total USD equivalent circulation value...
snip
Superb analysis... this gets my vote...
Sidd.
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Michael Moore
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Michael wrote:
You will have to check with e-gold directly.
Your account is with e-gold.
I suggest you go to http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/contact.html and
contact
e-gold directly.
Not necessarily, that is probably the last thing you should do when
all else has failed.
Did you use the
I am SO IMPRESSED by metal savings, I've put a kilo in there.
You may have put a kilo in there, but now you have more than a kilo!
god damn thats right! MS is amazing...I reckon
I don't know if Erich touted his own horn but the system calculates
interest sort of "instantaneousloy and
"... and go on thinking beyond the point where
thinking begins to hurt." - Werner Heisenberg
Erich,
How's your head? :) Didn't you start work back
when the e-gold mailing list was first started
or before then?
If there's a "sleep at night" place to "stash my cash",
MS (Metal Savings) is a
I am SO IMPRESSED by metal savings, I've put a kilo in there.
You may have put a kilo in there, but now you have more than a kilo!
I don't know if Erich touted his own horn but the system calculates
interest sort of "instantaneousloy and continually" -- I love it.
Yes, that's right.
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wrote:
I know that e-gold now allows merchants to specify a merchant ref
number, and search for it in the history. How do I specify this
number?
Ther Merchant reference number is the same as the PAYMENT_ID field
Khurram Khan
Here's a follow up to our previous message.
Today I finaly have been contacted by Mr Bradley who said that they had
problems with outgoing wire transfers and don't offer that service
anymore. He also said that gold will be credited back to our account in a
couple of days.
Due to the weight of
Janis, it's quite likely there is just some problem with the wire transfer!!
At coconut we just sent an interesting wire for a customer, the bank
WOULD NOT ACCEPT the funds from their correspondent bank! (That's a
new one!) (I've never known a bank to NOT ACCEPT funds!! : )
Never seen that
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