Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-11-25 Thread Barry Edwards
Algebraically, E = [z(a/2) / SQRT(n)] x SD, so it must be that the margin of error (maximum error as you called it) is a multiple of the population standard deviation. Keep in mind what these values represent. E is the margin of error of the estimate of mu, the population mean. SD

Re: Standard Deviation!

2001-11-12 Thread Dennis Roberts
i think you are asking the wrong question ... because, as far as i know ... there is only really one standard deviation concept ... square root of the variance (average of squared deviations around the mean in a set of data) ... perhaps what you are really interested in is HOW should

Re: Standard Deviation!

2001-11-12 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:30:27 +1100, David Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presently the Gaming Industry of Australia is attempting to define various new 'definitions of Standard Deviation'...in a concept to define infield metrics for the analysis of machines in terms which imply whether

Standard Deviation!

2001-11-10 Thread David Muir
Presently the Gaming Industry of Australia is attempting to define various new 'definitions of Standard Deviation'...in a concept to define infield metrics for the analysis of machines in terms which imply whether a machine is being operated with respect to its defined percentage or in fact

Re: Mean and Standard Deviation

2001-10-16 Thread Glen Barnett
Edward Dreyer wrote: A colleague of mine - not a subscriber to this helpful list - asked me if it is possible for the standard deviation to be larger than the mean. If so, under what conditions? Of course - for example, if you analyse mean-corrected data... It can even happen with data

Re: Mean and Standard Deviation

2001-10-14 Thread Jay Warner
Well, yes. the mean and standard deviation are not 'linked' for data with a Normal distribution. Dale Glaser asked: Well, what about the standard normal distribution: N(0,1)? The mean is 0, the standard deviation, 1. If you add the restriction that the data not be less than 0, and allow

Re: Mean and Standard Deviation

2001-10-14 Thread Alan McLean
possible for the SD to be larger than the mean, but the distribution will then be not symmetric. Alan Edward Dreyer wrote: A colleague of mine - not a subscriber to this helpful list - asked me if it is possible for the standard deviation to be larger than the mean. If so, under what

Mean and Standard Deviation

2001-10-12 Thread Edward Dreyer
A colleague of mine - not a subscriber to this helpful list - asked me if it is possible for the standard deviation to be larger than the mean. If so, under what conditions? At first blush I do not think so - but then I believe I have seen some research results in which standard

RE: Mean and Standard Deviation

2001-10-12 Thread Simon, Steve, PhD
Title: RE: Mean and Standard Deviation Edward Dreyer writes: A colleague of mine - not a subscriber to this helpful list - asked me if it is possible for the standard deviation to be larger than the mean. If so, under what conditions? At first blush I do not think so - but then I

Re: Mean and Standard Deviation

2001-10-12 Thread dennis roberts
At 04:32 PM 10/12/01 -0500, you wrote: A colleague of mine - not a subscriber to this helpful list - asked me if it is possible for the standard deviation to be larger than the mean. If so, under what conditions? what about z scores??? mean = 0 and sd = 1 At first blush I do not think so

Re: Mean and Standard Deviation

2001-10-12 Thread Ken Beath
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Edward Dreyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A colleague of mine - not a subscriber to this helpful list - asked me if it is possible for the standard deviation to be larger than the mean. If so, under what conditions? Easily. Any highly skewed distribution

RE: Mean and Standard Deviation

2001-10-12 Thread Dale Glaser
Title: RE: Mean and Standard Deviation Well, what about the standard normal distribution: N(0,1)? Dale N. Glaser, Ph.D. Pacific Science Engineering Group 6310 Greenwich Drive; Suite 200 San Diego, CA 92122 Phone: (858) 535-1661 Fax: (858) 535-1665 http://www.pacific-science.com

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-10-02 Thread Magenta
hat if we wanted to be within 3 points of mu with our sample mean the population standard deviation or sigma were 15? n = ((1.96 * 5) / 3)^2 = about 11 ... only would take a SRS of about 11 to be within 3 points of the true mu value in your 95% confidence interval

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-30 Thread John Jackson
Donald, I totally agree w/your point about the stratification of the sample. My facts were set up merely for simplicity's sake notwithstanding their clear artificiality. The only instances of multiple samples I have seen are in textbooks to prove the CLT; that w/increasing numbers of sample

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-30 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:34:40 GMT, John Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my solution using figures which are self-explanatory: Sample Size Determination pi = 50% central area 0.99 confid level= 99%

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-29 Thread John Jackson
8 Sep 2001, John Jackson wrote in part: My formula is a rearrangement of the confidence interval formula shown below for ascertaining the maximum error. E = Z(a/2) x SD/SQRT N The issue is you want to solve for N, but you have no standard deviation value. Oh, but you do. In the proble

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-29 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, John Jackson wrote: Here is my solution using figures which are self-explanatory: Sample Size Determination pi = 50% central area 0.99 confid level= 99% 2 tail area 0.5 sampling

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-29 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, John Jackson wrote in part: My formula is a rearrangement of the confidence interval formula shown below for ascertaining the maximum error. E = Z(a/2) x SD/SQRT N The issue is you want to solve for N, but you have no standard deviation value

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-29 Thread John Jackson
maximum error. E = Z(a/2) x SD/SQRT N The issue is you want to solve for N, but you have no standard deviation value. Oh, but you do. In the problem you formulated, unless I misunderstood egregiously, you are seeking to estimate the proportion of defective (or pirated, or whatever) CDs in a

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-28 Thread John Jackson
* sigma) / e but, we don't want sqrt n ... we WANT n! n = ((1.96 * sigma)/ e) ^2 so, what if we wanted to be within 3 points of mu with our sample mean the population standard deviation or sigma were 15? n = ((1.96 * 5) / 3)^2 = about 11 ... only wo

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-28 Thread John Jackson
Really sorry. My formula is a rearrangement of the confidence interval formula shown below for ascertaining the maximum error. E = Z(a/2) x SD/SQRT N The issue is you want to solve for N, but you have no standard deviation value. The formula then translates into n = (Z(a/2)*SD)/E)^2Note

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-28 Thread Dennis Roberts
? we can rearrange the formula ... sqrt n = (1.96 * sigma) / e but, we don't want sqrt n ... we WANT n! n = ((1.96 * sigma)/ e) ^2 so, what if we wanted to be within 3 points of mu with our sample mean the population standard deviation or sigma were 15

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-27 Thread Glen Barnett
? What's it a formula for? could you express E as a % of a standard deviation . What's E? The above formula doesn't have a (capital) E. What is Z? n? e? In other words does a .02 error translate into .02/1 standard deviations, assuming you are dealing w/a normal distribution? ? How does thi

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-27 Thread John Jackson
re: the formula: n = (Z?/e)2 This formula hasn't come over at all well. Please note that newsgroups work in ascii. What's it supposed to look like? What's it a formula for? could you express E as a % of a standard deviation . What's E? The above formula doesn't have a (capital) E.

E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-26 Thread John Jackson
re: the formula: n = (Z?/e)2 could you express E as a % of a standard deviation . In other words does a .02 error translate into .02/1 standard deviations, assuming you are dealing w/a normal distribution

Re: error estimate as fraction of standard deviation

2001-09-26 Thread John Jackson
Thanks for the formula, but I was really interested in knowing what % of a standard deviation corresponds to E. In other words does a .02 error translate into .02/1 standard deviations? Graeme Byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 9orn26$m80$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:9orn26$m8

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-26 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 04:49 PM 9/26/01 +, John Jackson wrote: re: the formula: n = (Z?/e)2 could you express E as a % of a standard deviation . In other words does a .02 error translate into .02/1 standard deviations, assuming you are dealing w/a normal distribution? well, let's see ... e

error estimate as fraction of standard deviation

2001-09-25 Thread @Home
If you have a confidence level of 90% and an error estimate of 4% and don't know the std deviation, is there a way to express the error estimate as a fraction of a std deviation? = Instructions for joining and leaving this list

Re: standard deviation from frequency table

2001-01-10 Thread Paolo Covelli
Referring your example: variance = 2_nd moment - (1_st moment), that is: 2_nd moment = 0^2 * 0.2 + 1^2 * 0.3 + 2^2 * 0.2 + 3^2 * 0.2 + 4^2 * 0.1 = 4.5 1_st moment = 0 * 0.2 + 1 * 0.3 + 2 * 0.2 + 3 * 0.2 + 4 * 0.1 = 1.7 then variance = 4.5 - (1.7)^2 = 1.61 then standard deviation = sqrt(1.61

Re: standard deviation from frequency table

2001-01-08 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Chris Chiu wrote: Dear friends: Does anyone know / remember how to obtain the standard deviation of a set of numbers given only a frequency table? e.g., xf(x) 00.2 10.3 20.2 30.2 40.1 (0) This is not a frequency table, it's a relative frequency

standard deviation from frequency table

2001-01-06 Thread Chris Chiu
Dear friends: Does anyone know / remember how to obtain the standard deviation of a set of numbers given only a frequency table? e.g., xf(x) 00.2 10.3 20.2 30.2 40.1 Many thanks. Chris = Instructions

Re: standard deviation from frequency table

2001-01-06 Thread dennis roberts
as the X values are fixed ... and the p values ... then you could do it that way ... of course, without the X values .. you are lost At 09:35 AM 1/6/01 -0500, Chris Chiu wrote: Dear friends: Does anyone know / remember how to obtain the standard deviation of a set of numbers given only a frequency

Re: standard deviation from frequency table

2001-01-06 Thread Konrad Halupka
Chris Chiu wrote: Dear friends: Does anyone know / remember how to obtain the standard deviation of a set of numbers given only a frequency table? e.g., xf(x) 00.2 10.3 20.2 30.2 40.1 Many thanks. Chris calculate average value "a" change

standard deviation from frequency table

2001-01-06 Thread Bob Hayden
QUESTIONS Dear friends: Does anyone know / remember how to obtain the standard deviation of a set of numbers given only a frequency table? e.g., xf(x) 00.2 10.3 20.2 30.2 40.1 Many thanks. Chris ONE POSSIBLE ANSWER: Here is a worked solution. I used the Windows

RE: Standard deviation/confidence interval help.

2000-11-23 Thread Simon, Steve, PhD
, bad game protection, etc.. The data I have is for each day, I have the calculated hold percentage for each of the individual table games. There are multiple table games of each type, for example there are 7 blackjack tables. Q: I want to calculate the standard deviation and confidenc

Re: Standard deviation/confidence interval help.

2000-11-23 Thread Li0N_iN_0iL
Mark Solberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had some statistics coursework, probably just enough to be dangerous. Here's my problem. By the way this is an actual problem, not theoretical. I need to analyze the hold percentage on certain table games in the casino I work at. I should think that

Re: What is standard deviation exactly?

2000-05-22 Thread Paul Gardner
Glen Barnett wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering what the standard deviation means exactly? I've seen the equation, etc., but I don't really understand what st dev is and what it is for. I'm going to take a different tack

Re: What is standard deviation exactly?

2000-05-22 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On Mon, 22 May 2000 13:24:25 +1000, "Glen Barnett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume you're talking about sample standard deviations, not population standard deviations (though interpretation of what it represents is similar). ... Note that the standard deviation can't exceed half

Re: What is standard deviation exactly?

2000-05-21 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering what the standard deviation means exactly? I've seen the equation, etc., but I don't really understand what st dev is and what it is for. I am not a statistician as you can tell... Even if you were, you might know

Re: What is standard deviation exactly?

2000-05-21 Thread Alan McLean
There are a couple of (practical) features of the standard deviation that are worth noting. First, as a *descriptor* of the variation in a distribution, it is generally not very good. I mean this is the sense that if you want to visualise the amount of variation in a distribution the SD is only

Re: Programs for Standard Deviation

2000-03-24 Thread D. Gall
In article mtAB4.8354$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... My daughter has asked me if there are any tools / software programs that can resolve standard deviations, while Excel can determine a standard deviation of the Population, what formula is used for the (A) 5th Standard Deviation

Re[2]: Programs for Standard Deviation

2000-03-21 Thread Kolenikov, Stanislav
Robert A. Meyer asked what is / which software calculates (A) 5th Standard Deviation (B) 10th Standard Deviation (C) 25th Standard Deviation (D) 40'th Standard Deviation and T.S. Lim answered, I think you're looking for PERCENTILES. I would say that there actually a related thing in robust

Re: Programs for Standard Deviation

2000-03-21 Thread Donald F. Burrill
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Robert Meyer wrote: My daughter has asked me if there are any tools / software programs that can resolve standard deviations; while Excel can determine a standard deviation of the Population, what formula is used for the (A) 5th Standard Deviation (B) 10th Standard

Programs for Standard Deviation

2000-03-20 Thread Robert Meyer
My daughter has asked me if there are any tools / software programs that can resolve standard deviations, while Excel can determine a standard deviation of the Population, what formula is used for the (A) 5th Standard Deviation (B) 10th Standard Deviation (C) 25th Standard Deviation (D) 40'th

Re: Programs for Standard Deviation

2000-03-20 Thread T.S. Lim
In article mtAB4.8354$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... My daughter has asked me if there are any tools / software programs that can resolve standard deviations, while Excel can determine a standard deviation of the Population, what formula is used for the There doesn't exist

pooled standard deviation

2000-02-23 Thread Anna Geyer
How do I calculate pooled standard deviation? I have study with group of exercisers following forward over time. I want look at weight by category of calorie intake. I look at standard deviation for weight for each calorie group but want one overall standard deviation. Is this valid? Thank

Re: pooled standard deviation

2000-02-23 Thread John W. Kulig
an omnibus anova, and take the square root of it. Just curious: What are you planning to do with a pooled standard deviation? Anna Geyer wrote: How do I calculate pooled standard deviation? I have study with group of exercisers following forward over time. I want look at weight by category