First question to ask when somebody recommends a particular
speaker/audio amp combo: "Are you using a hearing aid?"
This isn't meant to demean anybody. It simply is a hugely important
variable to consider when one evaluates whether their recommendation
would be useful to you.
73 de Brian/K
THis isn't something to do with a key line being active when you power up is
it? THere is a feature I don't remember the term for that locks out Tx if the
rig is keyed (i.e. book laying on straight key) as it powers up.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108
Thank everyone who calls out your faults, you
Hi Rick,
The K3 is capable of sounding smooth and mellow while listening to SSB. I
run my sound through my computer and into an inexpensive, but decent
sounding surround sound receiver...5.1 and decent Hi-Fi speakers. Only 2
channels apply...I rarely turn on the subwoofer and never for amateur r
Hi all,
I was playing with fast monitor yesterday and Wow, what a difference. I
know this is not in the mainstream of features but please please include
it. The ability to hear yourself without delay is wonderful, please make it
sticky!
73 Ian
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SysOp GB7MBC & HB9DRV-9 DX Clu
Hi all,
Conditions were quite good for the first net of the season. We had about 8
callers, 6 from the UK and 2 from Ireland. It was great to hear from
everyone again and meet a couple of new voices. Topics included the P3,
drift on the K3 2m module and general modifications. I hope to hear mor
I see in the manual, under CONFIG TUNE
it says:
"Note1: TUN PWR does not pertain to ATU TUNE , which always uses 5
or 10 W and is internally controlled."
what determines if 5 or 10 watts is being used?
--
GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan
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?Rick -
There are definite advantages to stereo speakers, as the K3 can produce
stereo audio in several configurations. Amplified speakers can suffer from
RF interference - I use Apple amplified speakers and had to open them up to
do a lot of bypassing. The K3's audio output can easily drive
Over on qth.com in the forums area (the "Talk" sub-forum) is a discussion
called "A sad thing happened
on the way to a more perfect receiver." Some interesting topics came up in the
discussion, such
as
- Are DSP based receivers fatiguing to listen to for long periods of time?
- The benefits
On my Mac I virtualized an XP Pro machine just and only to use Ham
applications (such as Ham Radio Deluxe, K3 Utility UI-View and so on) that
are very often written for Windows :-( . 73 de Giorgio
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Pippo,
The exact value of R20 is not so critical, although all the datasheet
typical applications use 2.7 ohms. I would suggest that you use the
resistor supplied.
You may also want to check the accuracy of your DMM when measuring small
resistance values. Some meters provide for a zeroing
Hy to all, installing the resistor R20 on the control board i checked, as
usual, the value before soldering. It should have a value of 2.7 ohm with 5%
tolarance, but the resistor in my kit is 3.2 ohm (the color code is respected
for the 2.7 value). Could it be problem so that it's better i repla
I would think the firmware makes that
determination. It always starts out
using 5 watts and I see it jump to 10
watts just before finishing.
KenK3IU
On 10/4/2010 7:29 AM, Sam Morgan wrote:
> I see in the manual, under CONFIG TUNE
> it says:
> "Note1
This is a loaded question, like "when did you stop beating your wife?"
It implies that there is something wrong with the K3 audio.
I have used both the K2 and K3 for some time, and as far as I can tell,
there is nothing wrong in this department. There is more than enough
gain to blast one out
Wonder if anyone else has seen this odd K3 behaviour and may be able to help me
solving the following problem.
K3 with ATU and KPA
K3 loaded with most recent firmware (MCU 4.12, FPF 1.13, DSP1 2.60).
I have repeated the firmware download a couple of times, but it did not solve
the problem descr
I noticed that on 17.6792mHz there is a strange ghost signal visible on the P3.
As I tune over it, it moves in the opposite direction to VFO dialing
direction! I turned everything off in the shack and also selected the dummy
load but it is still there. This ghost signal is not audible on th
Rick,
Some DSP based receivers are capable of producing great audio.
Consider that CD audio is an implementation of DSP. How close to CD
quality any practical receiver can come depends on the sampling rates
and the number of bits in the A-D and D-A conversions.
Inexpensive amplified speak
Hi Rick:
Initially, I added a pair of Motorola (mobile) amplified speakers to
my K2 (and subsequently to my K3) installation. I found that having
a PAIR of speakers on
the audio output of the K2 and K3 made a significant improvement in
my enjoyment of listening and I seemed to have to 'work' l
Ah yes the endless quest for great "tone". Yesterday there was a YL in the
Calif QSO party. She was W6RER In Butt county. Her voice was clean very clear
but what got me was the quality and tone of her voice. It was very easy to
listen to. Good tone. Warm sounding with out being mushy. But as I s
Hi Vidi,
This is normal.
Most receivers have out-of-band receive responses that are created by
high-order harmonics of the VFO, BFO, and other signal sources. The K3
is no exception, since it's a down-conversion superhet using high-
level injection. Generally these responses will be inaudibl
Good Evening,
Both nets went well this evening. Propagation is improving to where 40
meters is working well again. In fact it gained more contacts than did
twenty. Plus I once again was able to get over the Rockies and as far as
the East Coast. Lately it had been only gathering folks
Hi Sam,
ATU tuning starts out at 5 watts. If a low SWR is located during the
coarse-tune phase, we switch to 10 watts for the fine-tune. This
improves SWR reading accuracy.
73,
Wayne
N6KR
On Oct 4, 2010, at 4:29 AM, Sam Morgan wrote:
> I see in the manual, under CONFIG TUNE
> it says:
> "No
This morning I noticed a clicking sound coming from the P3. The
display would "jump" and a solid line would appear across the
waterfall. This happened frequently, but at various intervals. I think
it was the relay on the IF input card. Just wondered what it is doing?
Jim, W4ATK
___
Hi,
I've noticed recently that when I press NR the volume level drops what could be
called a considerable amount. I normally use NR setting of F-1-1 or -2. More
than that tends to almost mute the receiver. I find that the volume control
needs to be increased about 70 degrees or so to give t
I don't know who is loading what in this response to a query for improved
sound. Rick's question indicates nothing unreasonable or unachievable.
What amateur radio receiver cannot benefit from improvements to the audio
chain outside of the equipment itself? Additionally, he's not asking that
anyo
Jim,
Some drop in apparent volume level is typical with NR. Part of the
drop is due to the removal of noise. Part of it may be a
psychoacoustic effect (sorry, I'm not an expert on this).
You might also try setting F5-1. Settings from F5-x to F8-x use a
different algorithm.
73,
Wayne
N6KR
Phil,
That would be Ginny, N6RER, XYL of Bill, K6KM. I'm copying her with this
message, so maybe she can explain her set up to you. She's a naturally
warm-sounding person, so maybe that's part of it, hi.
73, andy, ae6y
- Original Message -
From: "Phil Townsend"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Mon
I have had my K3 for some time now. I have always used it with an external
speaker and at one time tried it with "Stereo" speakers (West Mountain Radio
Communications Speaker System, Powered). While the West Mountain speaker system
worked ok, I found the lower frequencies were lacking an I hate
Could be the same problem I had about a week after I received my P3. The
relay would buzz every 5 - 7 seconds and the display would jump. Eventually
the relay buzzing stopped and the P3 was deaf. Turned out to be the IF I/O
board. Elecraft sent me a replacement and I've had no problems since.
Ken :
I am still in the process of building my K2 but I have used the CUP36 13.5V /
2.4 A Switching supply
sold by Morse Express on both my K1 and KX1 and it works very well with no
generated noise.
Very convenient when operating from hotel rooms etc.
http://www.mtechnologies.com/cup/
Michae
Hi Wayne:
I've just purchased a K144XV and will be installing it (probably on
Wednesday). If this is not too far out of your projected testing timeframe,
I would be happy to try the new firmware.
Thanks,
John, N6JW
K3 #936, P3 #597
wayne burdick wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> We've just made a c
I need some advice in how to get the same punch my fellow contester gets on
his FT-1000MP. He claims the K-3 audio will never be as good as Yaesu,
Kenwood, or ICOM.
Yesterday we spent several hours between ourselves and several European
stations tuning and testing. I never got a bad audio rep
Probably not because of the codec licensing issues and also because the DRM
standard was not the US system, there is also - IBOC which is more common in
the USA. There are two rival systems out there and that is never much good
for adoption.
The K3 is not intended to be a broadcast receiver. It h
On 10/4/2010 1:41 PM, Dick, WN3R wrote:
> I need some advice in how to get the same punch my fellow contester gets on
> his FT-1000MP. He claims the K-3 audio will never be as good as Yaesu,
> Kenwood, or ICOM.
=
Dick...
What level of compression are you using? I use a setting of arou
Dick,
You use "some compression"? Crank it up!
Dump the external EQ, and use either the HC-4 or HC-5 (no bias) and crank
the TX EQ bands up or down until it sounds nasty enough. You'll generally
reduce the lows and increase the highs.
Crank up the compression and it'll sound as bad as the Yaesu
The K3 has sufficient equalization to tailor the sound of any microphone, the
external equalizer is completely unneeded in my opinion. My cheap-o computer
gaming headset sounds really good (through the monitor) and gets great reports
on the air. When chasing DX or during a contest I'll turn t
Wayne,
I am going to disagree - I think its a real issue, and an area for K3
improvement. While I have not been to Jim's shack to hear what he is hearing,
it sounds like what I have always observed, at least for SSB reception.
Engaging the NR significantly reduces the overall audio level.
G'day,
All this high quality digital audio is encoded and decoded in a
clean background, high S/N ratio environment. Seven and eight bit
coded telephony has a surprising quality but there again the
background noise is low. I have long had the feeling that signals
in the presence of noise jus
"Setting the compression that high really makes a huge difference in average
output "
It makes *some* difference in average output. There is nothing I have been
able to do to get the K3's average output anywhere close to what my Icom 746
Pro would do. The best average power numbers I have seen o
Guys..
I must be missing something here. How can one expect high fidelity audio
(e.g. 20 HZ to 20 kHz) with a receiver with a pass-band of 2.5 or 3.0
kHz? With those strictures, one is always going to get "carbon mike" or
slightly better audio, no?
John Ragle -- W1ZI
__
I also use a cheap computer headset (I've only found one single electret
headset out of several I've tried that ever sounded badly) with mic gain
set to 20 and compression set to 20. A compression setting of 25 for
my voice still gives decent audio, but I can definitely hear the onset
of not
Dale,
I'll forward this to our DSP engineer, Lyle (KK7P). He's currently on
vacation but will be able to respond to your comments when he returns.
I do know that he worked very hard to equalize the NR on/off volume
levels, and that in general, users have been very positive about the
K3's no
By the way, having more "punch" does not necessarily add intelligibility
it all depends upon the voice and where the additional energy goes
in the spectrum.
73,
Dave AB7E
On 10/4/2010 12:43 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> I also use a cheap computer headset (I've only found one single ele
> I need some advice in how to get the same punch my fellow contester
> gets on his FT-1000MP. He claims the K-3 audio will never be as good
> as Yaesu, Kenwood, or ICOM.
That should probably be restated as will never be as dirty as Yaesu,
Kenwood or Icom since the ALC circuits all three radi
On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:41 PM, John Ragle wrote:
> I must be missing something here. How can one expect high fidelity audio
> (e.g. 20 HZ to 20 kHz) with a receiver with a pass-band of 2.5 or 3.0
> kHz?
>
> With those strictures, one is always going to get "carbon mike" or
> slightly better au
On Oct 4, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote:
> "Setting the compression that high really makes a huge difference in average
> output "
>
> On my Icom 746 Pro, I see 65 watts AVG with
> the same mic and outboard compression. I spent hours doing the tests into
> a dummy load, even comparing add
Not to anyone that has actually heard it on the air. I have a screen print
of what it looks like on a P3 around here somewhere. Yep, you're "just
guessing" :) :)
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote:
>
> > "Setting the compress
But isn't conventional SSB as used on the Ham bands transmitted in analog
form, regardless of how the signal was created and so limited like any other
analog signal constricted to the same bandwidth?
Ron AC7AC
-Original Message-
On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:41 PM, John Ragle wrote:
> I must b
Maybe that is why I hear so many signals during a contest that it
takes an inordinate length of time to make the call and report intelligible.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 10/4/2010 3:37 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> Just guessing here, but 65 watts of "average" power out with 100 watts
> peak must sound p
Dale,
Just for reference, my experience with the K3 NR is outstanding. I cannot
notice any reduced volume on the tuned signal. The NR on my K3 does a great
job of whacking out the noise without effecting the signal level.
You may need to do some checking of settings and calibration, I am sure
th
The 3 EL SteppIR owned by w6tc [sk?] is listed on Qth.com for $1000
OBO. It is only 3 yrs old.
Good deal for someone. Palo Alto P/U.
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This too has been my experience, although Lyle has done a good job with the
recent updates. However, performance and volume levels in general are still sub
par in my opinion. Compare the K3 with even an AF dsp solution like the Gap
ANEM, and you'll see that a lot of work still remains to be done
I second that. I ran it though all the NR selections and it performed
admirably for me. I could not duplicate the problem here.
73s Jim, W4ATK
On Oct 4, 2010, at 4:54 PM, W4GRJ wrote:
> Dale,
>
> Just for reference, my experience with the K3 NR is outstanding. I
> cannot
> notice any reduced
Propagation seemed OK this week, though the number of stations checking in
was down due to QRM (CA QSO Party). There were 18 of us over a 20 minute
period. Both EI6IZ and ZL1PWD checked in with good signals off axis to my
quad. In fact, KG7UY in OR (the only other OR/WA station that was on the
n
That sure is not what I have observed. My signals drop about 2 S units if they
are strong. If they are near the noise level they disappear. I am running F
1-1. It is worse if I run a higher NR level.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ
From: W4GRJ
To: Dale
Hmmm...this topic appears from time to time and in the early days I think it
was relevant. Since Lyle has has worked on the DSP and introduced F1-x for
CW and 5-x up for SSB there has been a huge improvement.
Perhaps the settings used by those experiencing a big drop in audio levels
are different
General question to those participating in this thread, when you engage NR,
are you running RF gain maxed out, or are you adjusting RF gain back to the
point where it just affects the S-meter?
Sadly I'm off the air for a few days so I can't test myself, but I'm interested
to know if throttling
Have to agree. the issue has inproved with the last
update but the audio is still weak and I find mself really\cranking up
the gain
Bob K3DJC
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:45:31 -0700 Wayne Burdick
writes:
> Dale,
>
> I'll forward this to our DSP engineer, Lyle (KK7P). He's currently
> on
> vacat
Hi Gary et al,
My K3 is quite new to me so I don't have a lot of comment yet on DSP. But I
do own a Clear Speech PCB and more recently the BHI board from the U.K. I
must say both are fabulous and I routinely use them for weak signal EME and
just general HF. I tend to think the BHI board is a t
Hi Jim,
My experience is only with CW. If the band is just noisy and the signals are
strong, turning on the NR results in more pleasing listening. But if the
signals are generally weak like they might be on 10 or 15 meters, turning on
the NR usually impairs readability at any setting. I have bett
Not throttled back here.
Jim, W4ATK
On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:20 PM, David Herring wrote:
> General question to those participating in this thread, when you
> engage NR, are you running RF gain maxed out, or are you adjusting
> RF gain back to the point where it just affects the S-meter?
>
> Sad
I think perhaps we should be including what settings
are being used for not only the DSP settings,
but also AGC SLP and AGC THR as well as AF anf RF settings
all the above will make for different results when folks say,
it's louder or not
using head phones would also make for a big difference
in h
These are my observations first with the K2 and ADSP, the the Flex
radios both 1000 and 5000A and then finally and more recently the
FT-2000 series of radios. You may take this for what it is worth
This matter is highly subjective. One must remember that of the modes
avail
FYI, I got a reply from Sam (and several others) who suggested using the
K3_EZ Utility.
http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm
Works Great!
Thanks!
Mike
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Sent from t
I agree with Jack.
I just looked at two CW signals on 40m. One at 20dB over and one signal that
was not even moving my S mtr. In the case of the 20 over signal, the noise
decreased significantly but the signal on the P3 did not drop at all. The
weak signal appeared to drop in signal level, but t
I wrote a week or so ago for some advice about testing my K2 noise blanker.
From the replies I received (thank you), I now know that my blanker is probably
working FB, but isn't well suited to blank the type of noise that plagues my
QTH.
So, I would like to ask anyone with the K2 DSP option if
Wayne,
Thank you for your response. When I first got my radio I tried the F5 and up
setting but found they, to me, muffled the audio. That was many revisions ago
so I will give them another go. I've found in some instances it's better for
me to not use the NR function than to use it and dea
I should mention that my NR is set for F8--4.
Tom - W4BQF
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Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:57 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: [Elecraft
You're absolutely correct, David. Some people are just reluctant to get
their diaphram into the act and speak with confidence, not just voice
volume. I know some folk who will speak at a good volume until they
grab the mic and then seem to drop 10 dB or so by speaking in almost a
hushed tone of
Doug,
I am not going to really answer your question, but give it some "food
for thought" - most true Noise Blankers will not work on RF hash (which
I would interpret as a "frying noise" mainly because it is too
constant. If such a constant noise were to be blanked (the IF would be
interrupt
Don't get it too high. Higher is NOT necessarily better. I hear station in
contests that are very strong and they are almost impossible to understand
because they have their compression WAY to high. Turning it down would make
them much better.
I just made 1752 contacts in a special event and
how bout some gidelines for AGC settings
Bob K3DJC
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:24:49 -0500 Sam Morgan
writes:
> I think perhaps we should be including what settings
> are being used for not only the DSP settings,
> but also AGC SLP and AGC THR as well as AF anf RF settings
> all the above will make
Bob,
In general I recommend just sticking with the defaults for all AGC
menu entries. We worked hard on these :)
I'm sure others will have some suggestions for you.
73,
Wayne
N6KR
On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:50 PM, riese-k3...@juno.com wrote:
> how bout some gidelines for AGC settings
>
> Bob K3DJC
Nate,
Could this be alleviated when using a Turner +3 microphone.
in the case of a soft spoken operator?
After reading your post I went and plugged the Turner in and immediately
noticed a more "punchy" audio..
Does this sound right to you?..I am definitely guilty of speaking too
softly..:-(
73
Bob,
While Wayne has said that the default settings were well thought out and
will serve most operators well, I liked the AGC response of my K2 which
made strong signals have stronger audio than weaker signals.
Thanks to Jack Smith who characterized the K3 AGC and posted charts on
his website
?Don:
I am still trying to get my K2 kit to transmit. Since my last post, I have
purchased a power meter and confirmed that virtually no power comes out of
the antenna jack when the transceiver is keyed (the meter barely moves on
the 20 watt scale). I also purchased a new RF probe kit and so f
> Could this be alleviated when using a Turner +3 microphone.
> in the case of a soft spoken operator?
Only of the "soft spoken operator" is in a very quiet shack.
The typical problem is that the operator's voice is barely
louder than the background noise ... blowers, fans, other
radios, etc
WOW what a great read
thanks for the pointers
Bob K3DJC
Jack Smith who characterized the K3 AGC and posted charts
> on
> his website www.cliftonlaboratories.com, I set my AGC SLP to 002 and
> AGC
> THR to 008 and I am a happy camper. It reduces the band noise rise
>
> between signals and
Brian,
Did you use coax for the lead from the RF Probe to your DMM? Behavior
like that indicates noise pickup after the detector diode - RF? Magnetic
coupling? It is really difficult to say what, you will have to examine
your environment as well as your meter.
Yes, unless you can get the s
For getting to Q24 leads, yes the SMT diode gets in the way, but I
have found that most builders have left the leads long enough to bend
the board assembly up enough to allow access to the Q24 leads. That may
or may not be the case with your construction, but I mention it just in
case. Unso
Totally true. I've probably previously cited the example from last
winter's NAQP contest where I heard a Midwest guy endlessly calling CQ
with very few callers even though he had a booming signal here in
Arizona. The problem was he had so much mic gain and compression nobody
could understan
Hello -
Two nights ago I completed the assembly of my K2's RF board, and after
a visual inspection verification of resistance checks, I assembled the
radio per the instructions and began the third phase of alignment and
test. I've discovered a problem right off the bat, though. In the 40
m
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