Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-26 Thread David Gilbert
Yup ... I was wrong again, but the trouble is I can't figure out why. I mean, it's easy to verify the cloverleaf pattern with EZNEC and I have done so, but I know that I have modeled something similar with an off-center feed in the past and gotten an end-fire pattern. As soon as I figure

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-26 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I've gotten to the point, that before I say anything about a model, I actually run it and play with it, to make sure I haven't forgotten something, or remembered something wrong. As to that particular antenna a center fed half wave antenna is troublesome. The better version of that if one wants

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-25 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Sorry to interject, but a fullwave fed at the 25% point has a clover leaf pattern. It only has the two halfwaves in phase colinear behavior when fed very near the center. Even fed at 45% it has a significant cloverleaf lobe and a NULL in the center Easy to verify with any modeling program. 73,

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread Bob Willis
Another simple end fed antenna was described by W2FRH in QST, March 2011, A Near End-Fed Antenna... . I just returned from a week at the Outer Banks and used this antenna with my K2 working DX from Europe and South America, plus several states. No trees near the beach house so it was a sloper

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread William Ravenel
Steve Yates, AA5TB, has a very informative web page on EFHW antennas and how to build a parallel tuned circuit with a link coupled feed at the radio end to reduce the 1800 to 5000 ohm impedance to a 50 ohm non-reactive load. He has examples of both QRP and QRO versions of the circuit. I built

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread stan levandowski
And for those with more money than brains (that would be me) you can purchase an end fed halfwave antenna from the Emergency Radio Club of Hawaii for $42. I bought one and it works great with the entire Elecraft family. Great to have a simple yet efficient portable antenna that fits into a

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Stan, that's not a true half wave radiator on most bands. They suggest a wire length of 20 or 30 feet, which will be efficient on 12 through 6 meters where it's at least 1/2 wavelength long, but on the lower frequency bands it's just a short random length wire with an auto-transformer to assist

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread stan levandowski
Ron, the one I purchased for $42 is for 20 meters and came with a 33 foot radiator. A mathematical half wave at 14 MHz would work out to 32.8 feet. It did not come with a counterpoise nor was one recommended. It loaded up nicely for me as received. I later tried a short counterpoise and did

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
33 feet is a 1/2 wave on 20 meters all right. I was using the figures given in the homebrew article that suggested a much shorter wire. Yes, Wayne came up with the 28' radiator with 33'counerpoise as a combination that the little ATU in the KX1 could handle on all the bands it covers. The KX1

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread Vic K2VCO
Just speculating -- I bet a half-wavelength wire in inverted-L configuration fed at the base with a parallel-tuned circuit would work well. The high-current part of the vertical piece would be at the top, there would be plenty of current in the horizontal part too, and very little local

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread Niel Wiegand
...@riousa.com Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID:lnejjggbopigkcikmckdeegoiaaa.ph...@riousa.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been using my K2 with an MFJ tuner to feed an end fed halfwave wire for portable use (like SOTA

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread David Gilbert
Shepardph...@riousa.com Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID:lnejjggbopigkcikmckdeegoiaaa.ph...@riousa.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I have been using my K2 with an MFJ tuner to feed an end fed halfwave wire for portable use (like

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread Don Wilhelm
Actually Dave, a full wavelength wire will have a 4 leaf clover pattern - that is neither broadside to the antenna, nor off the ends. Check out the pattern for a 1 wavelength long wire in the ARRL Antenna Book. The maximum radiation is about 28 degrees from the wire - the radiation from the

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I believe you must get into several wavelengths before you get significant end directivity from a long wire. My reference says that the angle of the main lobe to the antenna is about 55 degrees when the wire is a wavelength long, compared to 90 degrees at 1/2 wavelength. It takes a wire more than

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-24 Thread David Gilbert
Yes, Don ... you are totally correct. For some reason I was thinking about a full wave antenna fed at the 25% point (I have built such antennas before), which looks like two colinear half waves fed out of phase. The current phasing along the antenna would indeed be much different and give a

[Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-23 Thread Phillip Shepard
I have been using my K2 with an MFJ tuner to feed an end fed halfwave wire for portable use (like SOTA). The 20m antenna is 33' long and I use one or two 16' counterpoise wires. It seems to work well for what it is and 10W. I just built and installed the KAT2 ATU into the K2 to lighten my pack

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-23 Thread Bill W4ZV
Phillip Shepard wrote: I put it in ALT mode, and it spent a long time searching before it got down to between 3:1 and 4:1, depending on the 20m frequency. I added about 2 of wire to the antenna, and the tuer got down to about 2:1 to 2.5:1. I added another foot of wire (now 36'), and it

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-23 Thread David Gilbert
The simple answer to your question is no. An end fed halfwave would theoretically present a few thousand ohms to your feedline, giving you an SWR of several tens to one. Consider this it is likely that the tuner with the greater loss will more easily give you a match to a difficult

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:20 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna The simple answer to your question is no. An end fed halfwave would theoretically present a few

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Phil, As others have responded, attempting to tune the end of a half-wave wire is beyond the range of most tuners, including the KAT2. Your added wire provided a compromise length, because the feedpoint impedance was reduced. Because the impedance of the EFHW is high, my favorite tuning

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-23 Thread Phillip Shepard
-boun...@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Phillip Shepard Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna I have been using my K2 with an MFJ tuner to feed an end fed halfwave wire for portable use (like SOTA). The 20m antenna is 33' long

Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna

2011-08-23 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
...@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Phillip Shepard Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 with EFHW antenna I have been using my K2 with an MFJ tuner to feed an end fed halfwave wire for portable use (like SOTA). The 20m antenna is 33' long and I use one