[Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-06 Thread EBo
During a poster presentation at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, one of the interns presented her work on optical absolute position encoders. Her prototype used a image sensor capable of 18,000FPS, and resolving to absolute positioning. I was given a copy of the poster and writeup and permi

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 August 2015 at 18:32, EBo wrote: > During a poster presentation at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, one > of the interns presented her work on optical absolute position encoders. > Her prototype used a image sensor capable of 18,000FPS, and resolving > to absolute positioning. Did it work

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-06 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I would like to read that please. -- Original Message -- From: "EBo" To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-08-06 19:32:31 Subject: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders >During a poster presentation at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, o

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-07 Thread EBo
On Aug 6 2015 11:45 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 6 August 2015 at 18:32, EBo wrote: >> During a poster presentation at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, >> one >> of the interns presented her work on optical absolute position >> encoders. >> Her prototype used a image sensor capable of 18,000FPS,

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-07 Thread andy pugh
On 7 August 2015 at 12:23, EBo wrote: > Possibly, but I cannot tell from the information Renishaw published in > that brochure. I think that the target is a barcode. The head can see enough barcode to tell exactly where it is on the code sequence to within one bar, then looks at the absolute posi

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-07 Thread Kenneth Lerman
I assume they use a De Bruijn sequence < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence> with perhaps a manchester encoding to guarantee frequent edges. All you have to do on startup is to see N bits. That will tell you the absolute position. Then interpolate some bit edges using a camera of ap

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-07 Thread andy pugh
On 7 August 2015 at 23:52, Kenneth Lerman wrote: > What edge resolution can I get with a cheap camera/microscope? In theory OCR could read the numbers on an absolutely standard angle scale. Then use the number positions to get better accuracy -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http:

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-07 Thread EBo
On Aug 7 2015 4:16 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 7 August 2015 at 12:23, EBo wrote: >> Possibly, but I cannot tell from the information Renishaw published >> in >> that brochure. > > I think that the target is a barcode. The head can see enough barcode > to tell exactly where it is on the code sequen

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-07 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, EBo wrote: > Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 17:13:25 -0600 > From: EBo > Reply-To: EMC developers > To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders > > On Aug 7 2015 4:16 PM, andy pugh wrote: >> On

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-07 Thread EBo
On Aug 7 2015 4:52 PM, Kenneth Lerman wrote: > I assume they use a De Bruijn sequence < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence> with perhaps a > manchester > encoding to guarantee frequent edges. > > All you have to do on startup is to see N bits. That will tell you > the > absolute

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-07 Thread EBo
On Aug 7 2015 5:32 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, EBo wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 17:13:25 -0600 >> From: EBo >> Reply-To: EMC developers >> To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] research on optic

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread Julian WIngert
Am 08.08.2015 um 04:00 schrieb EBo: > On Aug 7 2015 5:32 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: >> On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, EBo wrote: >> >>> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 17:13:25 -0600 >>> From: EBo >>> Reply-To: EMC developers >>> To: emc-developers@lists.sourcef

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread Nicholas Mc Guire
>>> Reply-To: EMC developers > >>> To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders > >>> > >>> On Aug 7 2015 4:16 PM, andy pugh wrote: > >>>> On 7 August 2015 at 12:23, EB

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread Julian Wingert
i, 07 Aug 2015 17:13:25 -0600 >> >>> From: EBo >> >>> Reply-To: EMC developers >> >>> To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net >> >>> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders >> >>> >> >>

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread Julian WIngert
t;> On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, EBo wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 17:13:25 -0600 >>>>>> From: EBo >>>>>> Reply-To: EMC developers >>>>>> To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> Subject: R

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread Kenneth Lerman
>>> Am 08.08.2015 um 04:00 schrieb EBo: > >>>> On Aug 7 2015 5:32 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > >>>>> On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, EBo wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 17:13:25 -0600 > >>>>>> Fr

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015, Nicholas Mc Guire wrote: > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 10:02:00 +0200 > From: Nicholas Mc Guire > Reply-To: EMC developers > To: EMC developers > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders > > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015, Julian WIngert wrote: > &

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread Julian Wingert
; >>> Am 08.08.2015 um 04:00 schrieb EBo: >> >>>> On Aug 7 2015 5:32 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: >> >>>>> On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, EBo wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 17:13:25 -0600 >> >&g

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread Peter C. Wallace
> > I think the trick the Resolute encoder uses is this: the image is captured in > a perhaps sub microsecond flash of the LED, and then the "image" can be > shifted out of the sensor at a leisurely rate. The specifications sort of > suggests this (very fast capture (ns) time, but only multi KHz ma

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread EBo
I think you can get access to this sensors images directly. Does this sensor allow you to download the images directly? I also could not find the number of pixels are but I've read a guess of 30x30. On Aug 8 2015 4:37 AM, Julian WIngert wrote: > Reading the datasheet: > > http://datasheet.oct

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread Julian Wingert
As I wrote, frame capture is implemented. Even accesible via USB of some mice... On 9. August 2015 01:18:26 MESZ, EBo wrote: >I think you can get access to this sensors images directly. Does this >sensor allow you to download the images directly? I also could not >find >the number of pixels a

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-08 Thread EBo
Do you have a list of mice, or one or two to start looking into, with frame capture? I've only heard about this feature in hacked versions. On Aug 8 2015 5:22 PM, Julian Wingert wrote: > As I wrote, frame capture is implemented. > Even accesible via USB of some mice... > > On 9. August 2015 01:1

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-09 Thread Nicholas Mc Guire
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > > I think the trick the Resolute encoder uses is this: the image is captured > > in > > a perhaps sub microsecond flash of the LED, and then the "image" can be > > shifted out of the sensor at a leisurely rate. The specifications sort of > > sugg

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-10 Thread Julian Wingert
A median filter shall be a good start here On 10. August 2015 08:40:02 MESZ, Nicholas Mc Guire wrote: >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > >> > >> > I think the trick the Resolute encoder uses is this: the image is >captured in >> > a perhaps sub microsecond flash of the LED, and then

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 August 2015 02:40:02 Nicholas Mc Guire wrote: > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > I think the trick the Resolute encoder uses is this: the image is > > > captured in a perhaps sub microsecond flash of the LED, and then > > > the "image" can be shifted out of the senso

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-10 Thread EBo
Since everything is in motion, how will this interact with the PID or other timing loops? I wonder if that would be sufficient to filter out the vibration. On Aug 10 2015 1:04 AM, Julian Wingert wrote: > A median filter shall be a good start here > > On 10. August 2015 08:40:02 MESZ, Nicholas M

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 August 2015 at 12:38, EBo wrote: > Since everything is in motion, how will this interact with the PID or > other timing loops? I wonder if that would be sufficient to filter out > the vibration I suspect that it would. If not, then a DPLL (possibly with the accelleration matched to the ma

Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders

2015-08-10 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015, Nicholas Mc Guire wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 08:40:02 +0200 > From: Nicholas Mc Guire > Reply-To: EMC developers > To: EMC developers > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] research on optical encoders > > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015, Peter C. Wallace wrote: