RE: What about 480 VAC in Europe? RE: 2 Phases in North America

2002-01-17 Thread Peter Tarver
Andrew - Please clarify something for me. Is the utility distribution star configured (WYE connected), rather than DELTA? Or are you speaking only wrt typical distribution within a building? (In the US, "distribution" is generally used to reference utility power distribution, for instance, "di

Re: TNV-2 to Earth requirement

2002-01-17 Thread Ron Pickard
Hi Dave, According to Annex B of ETSI document EG 201212 "Electrical safety; Classification of interfaces for equipment to be connected to telecommunication networks": "48 Volt" Station Battery is to be considered as SELV where Vmax =< 57Vdc. "60 Volt" Station Battery is to be considered as TNV

Re: TNV-2 to Earth requirement

2002-01-17 Thread Andre Boons
Dave, Quote of 950: "there shall be insulation between circuitry intended to be connected to a telecommunications network and any parts or circuitry that will be earthed , EITHER WITHIN THE EQUIPMENT OR VIA OTHER EQUIPMENT." The equipment of Ed might not derive its power directly from th

marine equipment

2002-01-17 Thread Kim Boll Jensen
Hi all Why doesn't marine equipment under 96/98/EC have a page on: http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/reflist.html with more details as the other directives. Is there another place on the Web where I can get more details about this directive ? Best regards

CE rules

2002-01-17 Thread Michael Gusel
Dear Group, I am looking for CE rules (Directive, Article, ...) for maximum period of time that the manufacturer must provide repair and service after the equipment has been discontinued. Please advise. Thank you. Michael Gus

Re: TNV-2 to Earth requirement

2002-01-17 Thread David Heald
Does your equipment plug into a primary (AC) circuit? Any TNV circuit is considered a secondary circuit and if any and all power is derived from the TNV network, the notes you referenced would not apply as a primary circuit is not present. Best Regards, Dave Heald Ed Eszlari wrote: > > All,

Re: SAR Test Equipment

2002-01-17 Thread Jacob Schanker
Bob: This is not from personal experience, but from a two page ad in the IEEE Antennas & Propagation magazine for Dec 2001 that I was just reading: DASY4 Dosimetric Assessment System Schmid & Partner Engineering AG (Switzerland) www.semcad.com www.speag.com i...@speag.com It looks impressive (a

Re: Company close down due to EMC phenomena

2002-01-17 Thread Ken Javor
A ROM (rough order of magnitude) estimate of magnetic radiation from power lines at 1 km yields a very small magnetic field. I used H = I/(6.28*r) with I = V/R and r = 1 km. I assumed V = 1 Volt and R = 100 Ohms to yield an I = 10 mA. Then H is on the order of 1 uA/m , very close to 1 pT which

Re: SAR Test Equipment

2002-01-17 Thread Kevin Keegan
Bob: Email Kathy MacLean at Aprel she will be able to assist you. Her email is k.macl...@aprel.com web site www.aprel.com Regards Kevin Keegan KES & Associates 613-592-0820 - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: SAR Test Equipment > > We

Re: SAR Test Equipment

2002-01-17 Thread RON_CHERNUS
DENSO uses the DASY 3 from http://www.speag.com/ . I would recommend the unit, Regards. Ronald Chernus Compliance Engineer, DENSO rehel...@mmm.com on 01/17/2002 09:23:44 AM Please respond to rehel...@mmm.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: RON CHERNUS/LALAB) Subject: SAR T

RE: Company close down due to EMC phenomena

2002-01-17 Thread Mike Hopkins
Although there is no AM broadcast below 530kHz, there are still many services using the frequencies between 200kHz and 530kHz, the most important of which is the aviation industry. Called NDB's, these low frequency signals are still used for navigation globally and instrument approaches in airport

Re: TNV-2 to Earth requirement

2002-01-17 Thread Kristiaan . Carpentier
Ed, I do not know your specific application. Therefore - if your TNV-2 circuit is connected to a telecom network - EN60950, 2nd ed/A4 andNorway/Sweden requires SI for the mains. (see EN60950:1992/A4:1997, AnnexZB) SI means clearance, creepage, DTI and dielectric strength for 230V mains. Why don's

SAR Test Equipment

2002-01-17 Thread reheller
We are looking into SAR testing. Anyone know of manufacturers of SAR test equipment? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technica

Re: Company close down due to EMC phenomena

2002-01-17 Thread Ken Javor
A 25 ms burst of noise at a high enough frequency to get out of the radio speaker would sound like a click or pop. A momentary interruption that would be annoying but have no significant impact on information content. -- >From: "Chris Maxwell" >To: , >Subject: RE: Company close down d

CB Reports

2002-01-17 Thread georgea
Scott, You are correct in pointing out that the CB Scheme is geared to IEC standards, not EN standards or any other local country equivalent of IEC standards. We ask our suppliers to obtain a CB Report which stipulates compliance to IEC 60950 (whatever edition and amendments) and the country d

RE: Company close down due to EMC phenomena

2002-01-17 Thread Chris Maxwell
touche' (That's "too-shay" for those not into French, fencing or watching Gilligan's Island reruns) I see your point. I see that you are from a cellular company. What would an entire nation of cellular phones be like? Noisy? Yes, but still functional (sort of like my house). Even though all

RE: Company close down due to EMC phenomena

2002-01-17 Thread Sundstrom Michael (NMP-RD/Dallas)
Guys, I don't think we want to forget that just one of these units will be in use. What would a whole country full of these units do to a mains network? I'd guess it to be very noisy indeed! Michael Sundstrom NOKIA TCC Dallas / EMC ofc: (972) 374-1462 cell: (817) 917-5021 amateur

TNV-2 to Earth requirement

2002-01-17 Thread Ed Eszlari
All,   I have a DC to DC "filter" which is rated 32 - 72 VDC input and output which I am considering to be TNV-2 according to EN60950/IEC60950 2nd edition.   This filter has a metal chassis which is earthed, and it will be installed in a service access area only by qualified service personnel. It

RE: which standard have I just tested to?

2002-01-17 Thread Wagner, John P (John)
That's exactly what we do here. Follow the OJ. John P. Wagner Regulatory Compliance & Mandatory Standards AVAYA Strategic Standards. 1300 W. 120th Ave, Room B3-D16 Phone/Fax: (303) 538-4241 johnwag...@avaya.com > -- > From: Colgan, Chris[SMTP:chris.col...@tagmclaren.com] > Rep

Re: date of publication relevance

2002-01-17 Thread Scott Lemon
Brian, The CB Scheme is based on IEC standards, not EN standards (although in many cases they are identical with the exception of some national or group deviations). The engineer may be referring to the IEC equivalent to the 01 Nov 2001 EN version of 61010. Just because IEC publishes a standar

RE: date of publication relevance to CB Certs

2002-01-17 Thread Crabb, John
I would agree that whether a safety standard is published in the OJ against the LVD should never be an issue. I would remind everyone that the LVD states "electrical equipment which complies with the safety provisions of harmonized standards shall be regarded...as complying". "FOR PURPOSES OF I

Re: date of publication relevance to CB Certs

2002-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Allen, John wrote (in <999c839e7e27d41185ec00d0b7473692024cd...@norway.int.rdel.co.u k>) about 'date of publication relevance to CB Certs', on Thu, 17 Jan 2002: >Surely, notification in the OJ is rather irrelevant to a CB certificate - >which is a cert to the basic IEC, n

Re: EN60529

2002-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that John Woodgate wrote (in ) about 'EN60529', on Thu, 3 Jan 2002: >I read in !emc-pstc that Crabb, John >wrote (in cr.com>) about 'EN60529', on Thu, 3 Jan 2002: >>John, I have forwarded this information to the chairman of >>BSI committee EPL/74 (which deals with EN60950),

RE: which standard have I just tested to?

2002-01-17 Thread Colgan, Chris
British Standards manages to confuse the issue even more by calling the standard "BS EN 61000-3-2:1995 Incorporating Amendments Nos 1, 2, 3 and 4. I've decided I'm going to put "EN61000-3-2:1995 + A1:1998 + A2:1998 + A14:2000" on the DoC because that's what the OJ seems to want. Chris Colgan Co

RE: Company close down due to EMC phenomena

2002-01-17 Thread Chris Maxwell
It sounds as though... The instantaneous emissions aren't as high as an EFT burst or other type of transient phenomenon. So, this product causing a hard upset of electronics is probably not a problem. When the conducted emissions limits were set, they were mostly dealing with whether the prod

RE: date of publication relevance to CB Certs

2002-01-17 Thread Colgan, Chris
I concur with you John. A CB Certificate is issued on the basis of testing to IEC standards. When I apply to a test lab for a product to be tested, I ask for additional testing for national differences to IEC60065 as required. What I end up with is a CB Certificate that states "Tested and found

Re: What about 480 VAC in Europe? RE: 2 Phases in North America

2002-01-17 Thread Andrew Carson
Terry Then nominal EU phase to phase voltage is 400VAC with a +6/-10% Tolerance. Distribution is Three Phase Star, Earthed Neutral. Some countries are still a little behind in the voltage harmonization e.g.. Belgium is a nominal 380VAC. Other have not changed as they fall within the tolerance

RE: certification mark identification

2002-01-17 Thread Colgan, Chris
Gary I believe that the Ex mark is the "Epsilon X" Mark signifying compliance to the new ATEX (from the French phrase "atmospheres explosible") Directive, 94/9/EC. It is used on products designed for use in explosive atmospheres. Chris Colgan Compliance Engineer TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit

RE: certification mark identification

2002-01-17 Thread Bill Lawrence
It is associated with electrical equipment for explosive atmospheres in Europe. It is called for in both the old approach (76/117/EEC) and new approach (94/9/EC) directives. http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/atex/ Bill Lawrence Factory Mutual Research -Original Message- From: owner-

RE: certification mark identification

2002-01-17 Thread Andrew Wood
Gary The Ex inside a hexagon refers to hazardous area equipment ( explosive atmospheres). The following website (no connection) may a good starting point. WWW.Epsilon-ltd.com Andy. > -Original Message- > From: Gary McInturff [SMTP:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com] > Sent: 17 Januar

RE: certification mark identification

2002-01-17 Thread Allen, John
Gary That sounds like a certification mark for Hazardous/Flammable atmospherem equipment - now covered by the ATEX Directive in Europe and similar legislation and standards elsewhere (e.g in the US NEC). It is always qualified by additional characters denoting the type of protection incorporated

RE: date of publication relevance to CB Certs

2002-01-17 Thread Allen, John
Hi Folks (and I have read some of the subsequent posts on this subject) Surely, notification in the OJ is rather irrelevant to a CB certificate - which is a cert to the basic IEC, not the EN, and is for worldwide use! Therefore if the IEC CB has already adopted that underlying latest IEC 61010-1

SV: certification mark identification

2002-01-17 Thread h . knudsen
Hello Gary, The epsilon-x mark shows compliance with the EU ATEX directive 94/9/EC or European certificate that shows compliance with the older EU directives 76/117/EEC + 79/196/EEC for surface industries or 82/130/EEC for mines susceptible to firedamp. You will find more information about the AT

Re: Company close down due to EMC phenomena

2002-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that am...@westin-emission.no wrote (in ) about 'Company close down due to EMC phenomena', on Wed, 16 Jan 2002: >Questions: >1. Is it possible to have different approaches within EU ? No. >2. Since PLC/PLT is "quite new" technology and since we do not have any EU >product stan

certification mark identification

2002-01-17 Thread Gary McInturff
Does anybody recognize an Ex inside of a hexagon? Think it might be French. Its on a Capri part. Not even one of mine but trying to do a good dead for one of our suppliers. Thanks in advance Gary --- This message is from the IEEE E

Re: Company close down due to EMC phenomena

2002-01-17 Thread Cortland Richmond
Close down? That's alarming. And probably not what needs to happen. Power Line communication is controversial at the moment, especially with trials underway in the Netherlands and some deployments in Germany which generated high levels of RFI. (And appear to have been exceedingly vulnerable to