[PSES] reference designators per ANSI /ASME

2014-11-07 Thread Brian Oconnell
Am hesitant to provide this, as some of the ANSI and ASME standards do not reflect the 'common' use. But this wiki entry does provide some standards for ref designators. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_designator Brian - T

Re: [PSES] New electrical phenomenon reproduced tonight!

2014-11-05 Thread Brian Oconnell
Am not aware of increasing number of general power supply fires - would be very interested in, and appreciative of, any recent data on this subject. The 'charger' fires seen so far seem to be related to counterfeit goods, where plastics have no flame rating, there inadequate internal spacings, a

Re: [PSES] New electrical phenomenon reproduced tonight!

2014-11-05 Thread Brian Oconnell
My usual caveat - am an EMC amateur. If the transient is propagated in serial fashion then 're-emitted' (as theorized by Mr Woodgate) with similar characteristics as test pulse, do not see how the typical control loop would see the disturbance, other than a resultant OV lock-out. Oscillations on

Re: [PSES] New electrical phenomenon reproduced tonight!

2014-11-04 Thread Brian Oconnell
Correct, at least for my experience, but cannot comment on the test units of Mr Smith. Leakage inductance, winding capacitance, and the RC time thru the x and/or y-caps. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 2:07 P

Re: [PSES] New electrical phenomenon reproduced tonight!

2014-11-04 Thread Brian Oconnell
Dunno, have never seen from ESD, but have for the EFT tests - suppose that some people employed by SMPS manufactures have seen this at least once or twice, or have had their design shoved back in their face by the resident compliance person. Can also result from a weird end-use installation of t

Re: [PSES] Network Isolation Transformer

2014-11-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
Not certain what your working V is, but if over 270V, might want to roll your own. If you make your own and if size/footprint not an issue, could use Rubadue/Furukawa/Totoku rated BI or RI with some of the ferroxcube stuff, so no internal xfmr creepage and decent hi-BW performance. Brian From:

Re: [PSES] Misuse mains cordset

2014-10-17 Thread Brian Oconnell
Agree with both Mr. Nute and Mr. Eckert, as this issue is contextual to (1) the equipment and (2) the manufacturer. Each company must conceive of and derive foreseeable misuse schemes on not just the technical qualifications of the equipment and its scope, but on the company's available 'target

Re: [PSES] Checklist for standards

2014-10-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
ransfer. Brian -Original Message- From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:39 AM To: Brian Oconnell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Checklist for standards > If you are careful to do a 'deep' search, a sanity check

Re: [PSES] Checklist for standards

2014-10-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
Have wished for such a checklist myself. Most conformity assessment bodies will provide such a service. Ultimately, informal guidance from agencies that issue the test certs, time using the Emperor's Search Engine, and engineering judgment from people that have been there is what are used by mo

[PSES] Li battery requirements per 60950-1

2014-10-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
Good People, Questions for members, or those that have contact with members, of TC108 and/or the North American STP. What is the intent of the last(A2) revision of 60950-1 for Li batteries? Is the requirement for battery assessment to IEC62133 intended just for batteries that are installed in

Re: [PSES] Human fingertip capacitance.

2014-10-10 Thread Brian Oconnell
Pete, Is this a 'typical' reactance, and a similar capacitance as used in the IEC60990 networks? Brian From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 5:30 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Human fingertip capacitance. Ga

Re: [PSES] Human fingertip capacitance.

2014-10-09 Thread Brian Oconnell
Do not believe that it is the 'capacitance' of the human appendage per se, but the interference with the screen's field. Suspect that the Emperor's search engine would reveal much more, but an ap note used in a past project is here: www.ti.com/lit/an/slaa363a/slaa363a.pdf Brian From: Gary McIn

Re: [PSES] IEC CTL decisions

2014-10-08 Thread Brian Oconnell
National Committees. Membership is typically from the respective National Body. The United States National Committee is a 'Full' member of the IECEE and is a committee of the ANSI. ANSI probably has webpages that talk about membership. Brian -Original Message- From: Scott Xe [mailto:sco

[PSES] Brazil cordset

2014-10-06 Thread Brian Oconnell
Have some electrical equipment (not an appliance) not listed as 'mandatory' per INMETRO. Customer says ok to ship with cord set approved per US/Canada requirements, but noted that cord sets are considered mandatory approval item. Are 120/240V NEMA 1 cord-sets with NRTL/SCC approvals ok for Brazi

Re: [PSES] "Made in" labelling in the EU

2014-10-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
Some American and European products are considered status symbols in PRC (typical for the image-conscious city folks) because they can be very brand-aware. Conversely, it appears that some other stuff can be regarded with distrust (typically software). Engineers of employer's China factories alw

Re: [PSES] Fw: [PSES] California Prop 65

2014-10-02 Thread Brian Oconnell
It my professional recommendation is that the Kalifornia wines be considered HAZMAT. Mr. Woodgate should pursue the local 'micro-brew' ales - the better microbreweries are in to the south in San Diego County. And Mr. Woodgate will arrive in time to experience the end of a mild 'Santa Ana' - but

Re: [PSES] California Prop 65

2014-10-02 Thread Brian Oconnell
Yes, but must be in American and Spanglish. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 8:48 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 In message <86089981.284126.1412263641329.javamail.r...@comcast

[PSES] NRTL marks

2014-09-29 Thread Brian Oconnell
Good People, Per OSHA and 29CFR1910, the images for the various marks shall be registered. For the third time, yet another NRTL has mandated a mark change where there is no record of the image in the OSHA database for registered NRTL marks. Previously, an NRTL has issued a change notice so an E

Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol

2014-09-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
william.sy...@stryker.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:18 PM To: Brian Oconnell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol The bar underneath the wheeled bin is still required - it is used to indicate that the product was placed on the market after 13 August 2

Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol

2014-09-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
Am confused over this. Cannot determine if thin line is a PDF 'artifact', or if that is the new image for the EEE mark. The HTML files for the directive links to a blank image: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=CELEX:32012L0019.ENG.xhtml.L_2012197EN.01006602.tif.jpg Anyone have a bette

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
Please note that I am NOT an advocate of violating copyrights or IP. Most of the (rather complex) PDF spec is in ISO32000-1. Note that PDF malware and non-standard encryption (aka ransomware) is not uncommon; and Adobe itself has a history of security failures. My employer is in the process of r

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
Per licensing terms for some sources and some states, not considered 'malpractice'. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message ,

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
But what if one cannot speak Canadian? Brian From: Douglas Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:03 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Mike, I buy my EN's from Danish Standards, http://ds.dk/en. Prices are roughly 50% of BSi list,

Re: [PSES] Looking for Steven Holmes, formerly of UL

2014-09-23 Thread Brian Oconnell
see his linkedin page. Brian -Original Message- From: Peter Tarver [mailto:ptar...@enphaseenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:11 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Looking for Steven Holmes, formerly of UL Anyone know how to contact him? All contact informati

Re: [PSES] weird stuff in agency agreement form

2014-09-11 Thread Brian Oconnell
sage- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:31 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] weird stuff in agency agreement form In message <2c6263c88b5c467f83265e27b6a02...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> , dated Thu, 1

[PSES] weird stuff in agency agreement form

2014-09-11 Thread Brian Oconnell
Am looking at the latest 'agency' general agreement form that all CABs make their clients sign in blood. A new clause states "... has the right to conduct unannounced audits at the manufacture's premises as well as the premises of the manufacturers component supplier and has the right to take s

Re: [PSES] Possible power grid disruption for 9/12

2014-09-11 Thread Brian Oconnell
Meh, waiting for the CME exceeding S5 that makes sparks fly from your computer keyboard and everything gets a free di-electric withstand/field immunity test. This one will probably trash HF com and some sat links for a few hours. And you people up north will get a pretty sky. Note to those that

Re: [PSES] AC netfilter in DC application

2014-09-09 Thread Brian Oconnell
Do not see any reason not. As some ac filter modules do not have dc ratings, your safety assessment engineer may have problems with this construction if you do not de-rate properly, or if other than Basic Insulation required. Some filter modules may incur leakage problems with a dcV having hi cr

Re: [PSES] RF shielding in clothing.

2014-09-05 Thread Brian Oconnell
What harm?!?! Space aliens and zombies, most obviously. Many people have their life's data on their smartphone. Potential for financial or medical disaster. Also, this personal information goes to 'big' data where marketing dweebs generate profiles to enable sales manipulations. Nothing new her

Re: [PSES] UN ECE R10 Regulation No. 10 Labelling Requirements

2014-09-05 Thread Brian Oconnell
In general, agree with the mfr if not part of the vehicle's original equipment and not a spare part identical to what was installed as original equipment. R10 describes the mark in annex 1. The NCB or CAB that does the assessment and writes the report should provide marking info. For EU/EFTA and

Re: [PSES] Battery certification issue

2014-09-04 Thread Brian Oconnell
As previously stated to Mr. Robinson, the industrial compliance engineering community very much appreciates his support of our concerns and ideas. Good people, this is our chance to provide some relevant industry comments. For example, for some product classes the default factory FUS audit inter

Re: [PSES] Battery certification issue

2014-09-04 Thread Brian Oconnell
To continue flogging a dead frog The PHB/MBA style management that has plagued North American compliance labs is where it is because we, the compliance engineering community, have chosen the path of least resistance (which is required for reliable bonding...). Mr. Nute is correct in the sta

Re: [PSES] Battery certification issue

2014-09-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
All of Mr Nute's comments are so very true. And there is another wrinkle - if you build your box with a component certified by agency X and submit your box to agency Y, you may have your construction rejected out of hand unless the component maker agrees to resubmit to agency Y for re-certificat

Re: [PSES] Battery certification issue

2014-09-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
In message , dated Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Brian Oconnell writes: >Welcome to the North American compliance landscape where the >NRTL/SCC/NOM process allows an agency to cite 'internal' policy and the >assessment engineer's 'judgment' in lieu of any other rationa

Re: [PSES] Battery certification issue

2014-09-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
Welcome to the North American compliance landscape where the NRTL/SCC/NOM process allows an agency to cite 'internal' policy and the assessment engineer's 'judgment' in lieu of any other rationale. Not often, but it does occur. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@

Re: [PSES] Battery certification issue

2014-09-02 Thread Brian Oconnell
Dunno, depends on safety standard for the end-use equipment, and where placed on market. For example, both 60950 and 60065 talk about equipment with installed batteries, where some of the clauses apply to any battery chemistry. Generic requirements for US would be UL2054 for much non-industrial

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread Brian Oconnell
After reading this thread, am not certain why functional safety and EMC safety would not apply to heavy equipment for U.S. The FCC's scope exception is for "transportation vehicles". The Bagger 288 is a magnificent machine, but 'transport' vehicle is certainly not among its incredible capabili

Re: [PSES] Recommondation for Programmable Load

2014-08-14 Thread Brian Oconnell
Nothing I say necessarily represents the policy or opinion of my employer or cat. Used to work for a well-known name that made loads and sources. Current employer does power conversion stuff, to include component power supplies, so we probably have hundreds of electronic loads. For Receiving an

Re: [PSES] Changes to verified equipment

2014-08-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
A bucket of worms. Because 1. OATS, at least for my experience, have more variance and less control of test conditions than fully anechoic chambers. 2. Root cause of variance can only be determined by a sub of the component on the same test sample; due to lab differences, test config differences

Re: [PSES] Time Domain sVSWR measurements

2014-08-08 Thread Brian Oconnell
www.ewh.ieee.org/r8/germany/emc/Flyer/2014-04-02-Hamburg_TD_sVSWR-Method%201.pdf mathematical magicians. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 10:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Time Domain sVSW

[PSES] CISPR25 lab

2014-08-01 Thread Brian Oconnell
Need a regression test for radiated emissions done per CISPR25 section 6.4 that will support my current 'E' mark done for a VCA report (ECE-R10, sections 6.5 and 6.6) for a non-control ESA. Know of lab local to San Diego County? My two go-to sites do not/no longer do CISPR25. Thanks much, Bria

Re: [PSES] Conducted Immunity Software

2014-07-28 Thread Brian Oconnell
up the configuration for the tests. Most of them allow you the opportunity to pick and choose modules, and add new modules as you need them. Gmac -----Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:14 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEE

Re: [PSES] Conducted Immunity Software

2014-07-28 Thread Brian Oconnell
Caveat: am not an EMC expert. Problem domain for EMC control code is huge, mostly because of the diverse demands from various industry segments. You will only get a 'friendly' solution where the product is uncommonly simple and is designed to solve only your problem subset. I have used and/or

Re: [PSES] NEC

2014-07-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
NEC articles 110 and 690. And depending in location, cables per 310. You might also need to consider 480 for some closed installs with battery banks. Terminal blocks/connector devices on your equipment must be listed as suitable for use with 'field-installed wiring'. Do not forget about bonding

Re: [PSES] Anti-islanding relay

2014-07-16 Thread Brian Oconnell
Certainly am NOT an expert on this stuff, or anything else for that matter, but tend to agree with Mr. Powell. In general, think that the much of the anti-islanding hoopla is non-issue (except for first-responders), but some POCOs seem to believe otherwise. Have seen stuff similar to this in ma

Re: [PSES] Regulation EU 801/2013 networked standby power consumption

2014-07-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
Agree about confusion, and have had difficulty advising my employers' customers on this because, for some equipment, Notified Bodies and major CABs cannot agree on definitions for Lot 26 stuff. 'LONA', 'HINA', and other phrases seem to be contrived terms invented for no obvious logical reasons.

[PSES] agilent vs keysight

2014-07-02 Thread Brian Oconnell
Good People, Am looking at this spin-off with some small level of concern. Other than the agilent and keysight web sites, any information available on resultant products' end-of-life and/or termination of support for the various product lines? The press releases seem to indicate Keysite will re

Re: [PSES] Recommendations for ASME BPV

2014-07-01 Thread Brian Oconnell
Dunno, in the Peoples' Republic of Kalifornia, we can use the state OSHA as it is accredited to asses all types of pressure vessels, but do not believe that any other state has this 'service'. The ASME.org site has a listing of accredited organizations, and they may be able to provide a list of

Re: [PSES] Definition of Declaration of Conformity

2014-06-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
John has provided the essential stuff. Some of my employer's customers seem to get the Declaration of Conformity confused with a (contractual) 'Certificate of Conformity'. Methinks the important stuff is framed by the how the document meets the directives' requirements for the basis of the pres

[PSES] FW: UL61010-1 CSDS Proposal for 6.5.2.4

2014-06-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
test -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: UL61010-1 CSDS Proposal for 6.5.2.4 Let us see - that is at least 500VA at test levels for most of my stuff - so you will probably have other problems long

Re: [PSES] UL61010-1 CSDS Proposal for 6.5.2.4

2014-06-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
committee members seen to influence these requirements? Brian -Original Message- From: Tyra, John [mailto:john_t...@bose.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:30 AM To: Brian Oconnell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: UL61010-1 CSDS Proposal for 6.5.2.4 For IEC60065 Appendix N2.1

Re: [PSES] UL61010-1 CSDS Proposal for 6.5.2.4

2014-06-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
for this test in the affected standards for di-electric withstand. You do control the ramp and current levels in your factory hi-pot? No? Sit in the corner. Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 5:30 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: UL61010

[PSES] UL61010-1 CSDS Proposal for 6.5.2.4

2014-06-23 Thread Brian Oconnell
This is excerpted from the latest UL61010-1 CSDS Proposal for 6.5.2.4 Impedance of PROTECTIVE BONDING of plug-connected equipment: "It was proposed that all hi-pot tests should be permitted to be performed with either ac or dc, particularly because OEM power supplies often fail when tested with

Re: [PSES] Exhaust fume hood recommendations

2014-06-20 Thread Brian Oconnell
My boss immediately said that below was a Freudian slip. Should have been " You would probably not get this additional functionality on the stuff intended for chem or bio labs." Brian -Original Message----- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Friday, Jun

Re: [PSES] Exhaust fume hood recommendations

2014-06-20 Thread Brian Oconnell
My current hood is stainless steel, with a large bubble in the exhaust tube just above the hood. The bubble has fans fore and aft. The bottom lip of the hood is used to hang Lexan 'shields' on three sides; this is because I wanted them removable so that I can also use the underlying bench as nor

Re: [PSES] PSU for building-in

2014-06-19 Thread Brian Oconnell
Conflict of Interest Alert - my employer makes component and end-use power supplies for med and industrial apps. We do not make power supplies for space aliens, so my comments will not be influenced by any impending Klingon invasion. The test conditions in the CBTR and the conditions of acceptab

Re: [PSES] RE2: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube

2014-06-16 Thread Brian Oconnell
My love affair with Tek scopes from that era continues. I have two at home. And one in the safety lab, which drives the boss crazy, thus making its retention all worthwhile... The level of test is probably an order of magnitude greater than that era, but perhaps noticed less because most test i

[PSES] Myanmar import restriction laws

2014-06-09 Thread Brian Oconnell
After U.S. Treasury Department issued General License No. 18, my employer has investigated the re-start of Myanmar factory. Have received different stories from various NRTLs and other Notified and various assessment bodies. Some have interpreted U.S. policy to indicate ok to send people to 'Bu

Re: [PSES] Thru insulation requirements

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Oconnell
Mr. Perkins, Am not certain if you are looking for stuff to support standards development, or theoretical stuff to support a paper. But here is what this little redneck mind is aware of: http://www.usbr.gov/power/data/fist/fist3_1/vol3-1.pdf (the original was useful when started on MV and HV

Re: [PSES] EN55032 and the Digital Television/Monitor Reference Test Pattern of ITU-R BT.1729

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Oconnell
Mr. Tom Sato has some of the bouncing ball stuff source published on his web site. And have seen other sites with 1729 stuff. Brian From: monrad monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EN55032 and the Digital

Re: [PSES] "exercising" connections for health?

2014-05-27 Thread Brian Oconnell
day, May 27, 2014 9:59 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] "exercising" connections for health? In message , dated Tue, 27 May 2014, Brian Oconnell writes: > >The immoral of these stories is that a connector, unless specifically >rated for a certain in

Re: [PSES] "exercising" connections for health?

2014-05-27 Thread Brian Oconnell
Ted Eckert's comments ring true. Something interesting happened this A.M. while HALT chamber running, my tech accidently opened the 100A breakers to the chamber, while intending to open a breaker to another machine. The resultant arcing propagated to a temperature sensor circuit external to the

Re: [PSES] In-Situ EMC Testing in Canada

2014-05-15 Thread Brian Oconnell
ICES003 issue 5 references the usual standards test site/method requirements in clause 5.2; but the standard may not be in scope for large industrial stuff per section 4. Brian From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Su

Re: [PSES] Creepage and RMS

2014-05-12 Thread Brian Oconnell
em...@cetest.nl] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 12:07 PM To: Brian Oconnell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Creepage and RMS EN 61010-1 states clearly that creepage is based on RMS values of the working voltage of the creepage way. A table is provided. (K13 2010 version) Of course the

Re: [PSES] Creepage and RMS

2014-05-12 Thread Brian Oconnell
014 11:15 AM To: Brian Oconnell Cc: emc-pstc Subject: Re: [PSES] Creepage and RMS Something to keep in mind, Peak Voltages (spikes, impulses, flyback, laser ignition, etc.) are more a concern for clearances than for creepage.  Committees build creepage tables in slightly different ways and they s

Re: [PSES] Creepage and RMS

2014-05-12 Thread Brian Oconnell
The issue with some 60664 tables is that it is (for 0 to 2km) based on Paschen's Law, which is for a simple homogenous e-field. So creepage via RMS is an incomplete analysis. As others have stated, spacing should be determined by both peak and RMS. And because too many do not measure WV correct

Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

2014-04-27 Thread Brian Oconnell
If your message is understood, published directives have no meaning until each member state publishes a statue that implements the respective directive; and that each member state could publish implementation statues that do not contain the original intent and/or meaning of the directive. Probab

Re: [PSES] FCC for military equipment?

2014-04-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
There was a big hoohah approximately 6 or 7 years past on military LMR interfering with some of the open bands. The solution was to do 'community outreach'. So this can be an issue and is typically specified in the Statement of Work and/or component spec for the particular contract. En Los Estad

Re: [PSES] Electromagnetic fields (EMF) requirements in LVD for AV products

2014-04-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
Finally convinced the big cheese to start reading this listserv (my daemon parses this and other such groups and re-posts in batch mode to an internal 'wiki'). And just last month, the Grand Pubah brought in all the sales dweebs where I provided a miserable three-hour regulatory seminar -> preac

Re: [PSES] Electromagnetic fields (EMF) requirements in LVD for AV products

2014-04-23 Thread Brian Oconnell
EN62233 does not scope AV stuff, but there is 62311. And am certain that you are aware that LVD does have general statements about this. Have you looked at the applicable OSM stuff? Brian -Original Message- From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:15

Re: [PSES] CISPR/I and ANSI

2014-04-12 Thread Brian Oconnell
-> Dave Arnett, at least he was the last time I attended one of his presentations. He works for HP somewhere in the great Northwest. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 4:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject:

Re: [PSES] PED and TPED Directives (Google Knows Everything)

2014-04-11 Thread Brian Oconnell
Subjects of the emperor have been known to write crawlers specifically intended to ignore robots.txt. The 'Robot Exclusion Standard' is voluntary; that is, not a normative requirement. Brian From: Douglas Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 10:28 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.I

Re: [PSES] PED and TPED Directives (Google Knows Everything)

2014-04-11 Thread Brian Oconnell
Actually neither, and/or both. Sometimes the search engine just 'knows' where it is at, and sometimes the engine has previously parsed and indexed the data with contextual implications. Search engines use both retrospective searches AND prospective searches. The various search engines are imp

Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive publication

2014-04-01 Thread Brian Oconnell
Alas, the Galactic Emperor has failed his loyal subject. Not able to find links to lists of harmonized standards for these directives. And the search engine for the Eur-Lex site points to dead pages. Links? Thanks, Brian -Original Message- From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@c

Re: [PSES] High voltage output for test equipment

2014-03-27 Thread Brian Oconnell
There are sections of the standard(s) that address construction and performance where, for "operating reasons", haz V must be exposed. Brian From: Paul Milton [mailto:p...@gmcompliance.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:48 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] High voltage outpu

Re: [PSES] 61010 testing fine points for creepage and clearance.

2014-03-26 Thread Brian Oconnell
Dunno - not an expert (then he continues to babble)... If not for the internal 200V, your stuff could be considered 'Class III' construction, assuming your EPS is rated as LPS. The EPS would be at least OVC II, and must be rated for the intended use and environment. "Reasonable Possibility" is

Re: [PSES] common charger for radio equipment

2014-03-20 Thread Brian Oconnell
b78a46757d5ab...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> , dated Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Brian Oconnell writes: >Had not given much thought to this until a scope statement or >definition for the particular class of equipment affected was nowhere >to be found. Can someone point me to this in

[PSES] common charger for radio equipment

2014-03-20 Thread Brian Oconnell
So the EU releases something for the Radio Equipment Directive: Which say this: "A renewed effort to develop a common charger for particular categories or classes of radio equipment is necessary

Re: [PSES] Critical Components definitions

2014-03-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
l file? thanks -Dave -----Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:38 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Critical Components definitions Concur with Mr. Nute. Was once asked to provide a "clear definiti

Re: [PSES] Ethernet Loading

2014-03-11 Thread Brian Oconnell
Either of the two previous suggestions (pingspray and iperf) should provide most of what is needed. Both are written in C. Note that iperf can directly be used from command line, but also can be used as a library; so a solution to any special requirements can be had on the machine with gcc. Have

Re: [PSES] Calibration of touch current measurement network and instrument

2014-03-04 Thread Brian Oconnell
115 is not complete. 7. JCGM100 is useable for those that must dance to ISO17025. Brian -Original Message- From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 11:38 AM To: Brian Oconnell Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Calibration of tou

Re: [PSES] Calibration of touch current measurement network and instrument

2014-03-04 Thread Brian Oconnell
Calibrated network analyzer and AC source. Simple 5 min test that is easily automated (about 150 lines of Python code); or about 2 hours of technician time. Should note that the NETWORK is the thing being verified - as a 'calibrated' hi-bw , hi- C/F, true RMS (thermal converter) instrument is us

Re: [PSES] Curious Situation in Italian Customs

2014-03-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
Sounds somewhat confusing to me. My experience with EU import authorities is that the southern members are less apt to understand EC, and seem less willing to offer any correspondence in English. I have, on occasion, had to write 'custom' declarations for particular import authorities. It makes

Re: [PSES] Critical Components definitions

2014-02-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
Concur with Mr. Nute. Was once asked to provide a "clear definition of a safety-critical component". To comprise a definition, provided a parametric and descriptive listing of 27 items. The last line was: 27. Any component or material or process that I deem critical to safety and/or critical to

Re: [PSES] CEC will establish fines for energy efficiency violoations

2014-02-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
ency-standards-external-power-supplies-cut-consumers-utility-bills Unless I'm reading it wrong... Martin On 2014-02-13 7:14 PM, Brian Oconnell wrote: > _Staff_Workshop.pdf> > > Also, it seems that the U.S. Dept of Energy has abandoned charger and EPS > efficiency requirem

[PSES] CEC will establish fines for energy efficiency violoations

2014-02-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
Also, it seems that the U.S. Dept of Energy has abandoned charger and EPS efficiency requirements, so am guessing that most Americano states will adopt the CEC stuff (California Title 20, sections 160x). Brian - This message is

Re: [PSES] Critical Parts Lists

2014-01-22 Thread Brian Oconnell
Yes, SAP has an engineering change management library that is 'malleable'. Brian -Original Message- From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:17 PM To: Brian Oconnell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Critical P

Re: [PSES] Critical Parts Lists

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Oconnell
Agree w/Joshua - always have the IT dweebs in on any mission-critical systems. My employer uses SAP with a custom (browser-based) front-end to form a paperless ECO/ECN system. And yes, SAP is obscenely powerful - will do anything a decent programmer asks of it. A system is only as good as the da

Re: [PSES] Regulatory Compliance program

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Oconnell
th Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC 56 Aspen Dr. Woodland Park, CO Phone: (719) 310-5418 Email Me! | Web Site | Blog The EMC Blog (EDN) Subscribe to Newsletter Connect with me on LinkedIn On Jan 20, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Brian Oconnell wrote: 1. Back issues of PSES monthly newsletter -

Re: [PSES] Regulatory Compliance program

2014-01-20 Thread Brian Oconnell
1. Back issues of PSES monthly newsletter - in particular, articles by Rich Nute. 2. Presentations and papers from last 10 years of the ISPCE. 3. Articles and stuff found on web sites from MET, Nemko, TUVR, UL, etc. 4. Section General of your UL files. 5. LinkedIn stuff and the many regulatory/com

Re: [PSES] NRTL/OSHA requirement/exemption for US Government ?

2014-01-15 Thread Brian Oconnell
Yes, unless another federal agency provides regulations for a specific work-place hazard. Google/Bing/Yahoo is your friend. All hail the munificent overlords of the datum. Brian From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:15 AM To: EMC-PST

Re: [PSES] LED Indicator Safety

2014-01-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
Correct, and there are some product standards that specify this, and there are component standards that have this. Single (non-HB) LEDs typically specified for x mcd at 20 mA. To decrease or increase brightness, simple the product of the ratio of change in mA and mcd (analogous to fan laws). T

Re: [PSES] EN 61010 and (un) safe components -> and my additional rant

2014-01-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
Nothing I say represents the policy of my employer, and do not represent the legal opinions of my dogs or cat. Use of a critical component that has not been evaluated by a third party indicates that your company has the infrastructure and expertise to perform said evaluation- Type Tests per sta

Re: [PSES] RoHS Software Tools?

2014-01-06 Thread Brian Oconnell
IPC175x stuff and the associated XML seems to be the basis of what most are using. Most 'turn-key' stuff is proprietary and browser-based; that is, your data is in the cloud (typically Cumulonimbus). There are multiple sources for these services. 'Japan Green' also has standardized this stuff,

Re: [PSES] EMI is a safety concern

2014-01-02 Thread Brian Oconnell
Is IEC61000-1-2 intended to supplement or obsolete IEC61508? What is 'intent' of TC77 for IEC 61000-6-7? As IEC61000-1-2 is a functional safety thingy, does this mean that IEC62368-1 will never reference? Is there a CENELEC or IEC or ISO guidance doc for when to use, and for the selection of,

Re: [PSES] Country specific product regulations

2013-12-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
1. My employer also makes 'ganged' chargers, and this is not the HTC that my customer used. See if the ITC can advise on your HT code. 2. Japan, Korea, and Taiwan have their national versions of 60950 and CISPR. 3. Talk to the International Approvals office of your friendly neighborhood one-stop

Re: [PSES] Automotive safety in the USA

2013-12-11 Thread Brian Oconnell
FMVSS/DoT/NHTSA. Dept of Agriculture also has some vehicular standards that are oft specified in federal contracts for some types of electrical and mechanical interfaces. Brian From: loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de [mailto:loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:29 PM To

Re: [PSES] Wire lug nomenclature meaning?

2013-12-10 Thread Brian Oconnell
e4252884684bdec5ee...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> , dated Tue, 10 Dec 2013, Brian Oconnell writes: >Do not know about these specific types, but IEC61238 would have the >'correct' designations. This standard is for large lugs: the Scope clause says: conductors complyi

Re: [PSES] Wire lug nomenclature meaning?

2013-12-10 Thread Brian Oconnell
Some seem to be somewhat common designations, as I have seen most of them. But do not believe them to be a standardized nomenclature outside of Asia or South America and other star systems. Some may have been used on Alderaan. Do not know about these specific types, but IEC61238 would have the '

Re: [PSES] Circuit Breakers - Branch Circuit Protection vs Supplementary

2013-12-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:28 PM To: jral...@productsafetyinc.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; Brian Oconnell Subject: Circuit Breakers - Branch Circuit Protection vs Supplementary Hi John: If the device has a UL - , this would indicate approval to UL489 & suitable for a branch cir

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