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: Decoupling - capacitor values
Amund,
Thanks for the info, not having a copy of the standard, may I out of
curiosity ask about the measurement bandwidth for the various bands?
The way I see it, I suppose you have to test Radiated Emission down to 150
kHz which is very unusual because it will bring
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Emne: Re: Decoupling - capacitor values
Amund,
Cortland may be right, a chamber 'may not' be needed, high ambient
considerations to be put aside for the moment, even if the emission is
measured to be on the 24dBuV/m @ 3m, freq.band 155MHz-165MHz. I am just
curious, what are the limits
: Decoupling -
capacitor values (ESR, layout, CM filter)
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Amund,
You do not HAVE to be in a chamber to keep working on this. Since there is
only one Vcc pin (which processor IS this? - be SURE there is only one Vcc
pin; you may have an unfiltered, unconnected Vcc pin or two) you are
limited in how many capacitors you can attach to it. This doesn't
: Decoupling - capacitor values
I have found removal of inductance at power pins often REDUCES emissions.
When this is so, it is because designers who put it in did not insure there
was sufficient local capacitance to hold up Vcc while the isolated device
switches. This has happened to me often enough
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Date:18/04/02 00:11:45 GMT Daylight Time
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I have found removal of inductance at power pins often REDUCES emissions.
When this is so, it is because designers who put it in did not insure there
was sufficient local capacitance to hold up Vcc while the isolated device
switches. This has happened to me often enough that when I see series
to
accepted theory.
Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International
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From: Robert Wilson [mailto:robert_wil...@tirsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:57 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Decoupling - capacitor values
Not sure this would
Amund,
I have encountered similar problems with similarly designed boards. In one
interesting case, I was able to get 30 dB reduction in radiated EMI by
adding a series resistor to a (fairly short) low-frequency clock line. Due
to use of modern devices, its rise and fall times were less than a
...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com]
Sent: April 18, 2002 4:57 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Decoupling - capacitor values
Consider adding a ferrite bead in the 5V trace to the microprocessor.
Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International
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decoupling I assume that reducing loop area
is the most important.
Amund
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Emne: Re: Decoupling - capacitor values
Yes, it makes sense
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Decoupling - capacitor values
A microprocessor is driven by a 12MHz clock. The 5V Vcc-pin is
decoupled by
a 100nF capacitor with a few mm leads. We can observe an unwanted
156MHz
signal on the 5V line, maybe 13th harmonic of 12MHz. We will try
Subject: Decoupling - capacitor values
A microprocessor is driven by a 12MHz clock. The 5V Vcc-pin is decoupled by
a 100nF capacitor with a few mm leads. We can observe an unwanted 156MHz
signal on the 5V line, maybe 13th harmonic of 12MHz. We will try to
suppress/decouple this 156MHz signal
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Emne: Re: Decoupling - capacitor values
Amund,
In the absence of any layout information that can evaluate the loop
inductances, I suggest you read what I wrote about placing two
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owner-emc-pstc@majordo Subject: Decoupling -
capacitor values
assume that reducing loop area
is the most important.
Amund
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Emne: Re: Decoupling - capacitor values
Yes, it makes sense. But the goal
I read in !emc-pstc that Robert Wilson robert_wil...@tirsys.com wrote
(in 3FF57405336C9B4C976A1819F860A2560F696F@xng_tirsys.TIRSYS.COM)
about 'Decoupling - capacitor values', on Wed, 17 Apr 2002:
The main
reason is that the ESR of the larger cap begins to rise to unacceptable
levels as frequency
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From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no]
Sent: April 17, 2002 1:50 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Decoupling - capacitor values
A microprocessor is driven by a 12MHz clock. The 5V Vcc-pin is decoupled
by
a 100nF capacitor with a few mm leads. We
Yes, it makes sense. But the goal here is preventing or reducing Vcc drop
during the time the microprocessor is switching. You need not only low
reactance, but *also* enough capacitance to supply the current needed
_while it is switching_. You have not given enough information here to tell
if
A microprocessor is driven by a 12MHz clock. The 5V Vcc-pin is decoupled by
a 100nF capacitor with a few mm leads. We can observe an unwanted 156MHz
signal on the 5V line, maybe 13th harmonic of 12MHz. We will try to
suppress/decouple this 156MHz signal.
Suggestion:
Insert a SMD ceramic
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